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Old Yesterday, 07:56 AM   #12161
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Now I am fully convinced that whether it is the Mahamana express in UP or the Tejas in Maharashtra/Goa, our animal mentality is very much evident each time there is an opportunity and we need to be treated like animals only
Absolutely. On international flights, one can see how filthy the aircraft becomes when it reaches India from overseas, even from Europe or America. Trains get far more dirtier of course when they reach destinations, irrespective of what category they belong to (including Shatabdis, Rajdhanis etc).
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Old Yesterday, 09:09 AM   #12162
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Now I am fully convinced that whether it is the Mahamana express in UP or the Tejas in Maharashtra/Goa, our animal mentality is very much evident each time there is an opportunity and we need to be treated like animals only
Sick thing is parents encourage kids to throw off stuff through windows or under the seat.

I was given a weird look by my co passenger when I collected my waste in a plastic bag and disposed it off in a bin in the next station. He suggested me to throw it off thru window or walk upto the door and throw it off instead of keeping it near the seat.

Every long distance train sees thousands of paper plates and cups being thrown out thru windows. These are non bio degradable. Even pantry car disposes their waste through the gap in the vestibules.

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Old Yesterday, 09:41 AM   #12163
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We should consider installing CCTV on all these trains. They are not too expensive and can be used to scare passengers into obedience. This is the only way we learn I'm afraid.
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There has to be proper deterrence in place. No point blaming public. Same public behaves properly in DMRC etc.
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Passengers thrashed LCD screens, stole headphones and soiled the toilets.
Shocked to see that this is happening in Konkan route. I travel between Coimbatore - Trichy trains twice a month and never seen this kind of attitude among the public. There is also a IR cleaning crew in trains in this route who look out to clean train or toilet. May be their presence make public not to litter?
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Old Yesterday, 02:34 PM   #12166
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We should consider installing CCTV on all these trains. They are not too expensive and can be used to scare passengers into obedience. This is the only way we learn I'm afraid.
Tejas already has CCTV camera.
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Old Yesterday, 02:43 PM   #12167
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cleaning mess can be avoided, if passengers start using Trash can.

Last year i made few train trips. in 3rd AC compartment, they had Trash can.

but what about the morons who are throwing stones from outside and breaking the glass?
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The Mumbai-Goa sector has a thriving overnight AC bus lobby, who make the most of AC coaches in trains getting full. That stands to lose a lot of passengers, who get ready accommodation in Tejas, and even more once the Tejas and its route are upgraded and journeys take five hours. There's a chance that the stone throw as well as the organised trashing/pilferage inside the coaches was engineered by the bus lobby- especially by planting its lackeys inside coaches where journalists were expected to travel, to get more attention. If Railways decides that this is not a good route for running a premium train, they'll withdraw, and it's victory for the bus lobby.

A similar vested interest may have been playing dirty at the time of launch of Gatimaan Express, which threatens the earnings of the Agra hotel lobby and possibly that route's bus lobby as well. These things happen largely during launch/first runs.
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It should be very easy for the crew to nab the culprits using CCTV footage.Don't know why RM not ordering the same . Such behaviours should not be entertained at all even once.

This shows the attitude of such pax despite they get pride by travelling in a high class train. BS.

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The Mumbai-Goa sector has a thriving overnight AC bus lobby, who make the most of AC coaches in trains getting full. That stands to lose a lot of passengers, who get ready accommodation in Tejas, and even more once the Tejas and its route are upgraded and journeys take five hours. There's a chance that the stone throw as well as the organised trashing/pilferage inside the coaches was engineered by the bus lobby- especially by planting its lackeys inside coaches where journalists were expected to travel, to get more attention. If Railways decides that this is not a good route for running a premium train, they'll withdraw, and it's victory for the bus lobby.

A similar vested interest may have been playing dirty at the time of launch of Gatimaan Express, which threatens the earnings of the Agra hotel lobby and possibly that route's bus lobby as well. These things happen largely during launch/first runs.
Maybe these bus operators should be asked to invest in trains like Tejas, Gatiman DD, GRs, Durontos e.t.c
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It should be very easy for the crew to nab the culprits using CCTV footage.Don't know why RM not ordering the same . Such behaviours should not be entertained at all even once.

This shows the attitude of such pax despite they get pride by travelling in a high class train. BS.
I think there could be quite a few saboteurs here i.e bus lobbies, political outfits, jealous disgruntled miscreants. Recently we have also seen sabotage attempts in the Mumbai suburban area.
To think further in the past when the durontos, shatabdis, Yuva and garib paths were introduced there weren't any serious reports of vandalism. Its not like suddenly people have become disorderly.
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Keen to do business with Indian Railways, senior representatives of Talgo, the Spanish lightweight train coach maker, are likley to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his Spain visit on May 30. In a three-phased trial conducted last year, Talgo trains clocked a top speed of 180 kmph on the Mathura-Palwal route and covered the Delhi-Mumbai distance in 11 hours 48 minutes. The meeting with PM seems to be crucial for Talgo as the Spanish company is keen to join Indian rail sector, sources in the government said. Modi is embarking on on a six-day tour to Russia, Germany, Spain and France from May 29. The PM will leave Germany for Spain late on May 30. He will meet President of Spain Mariano Rajoy and discuss bilateral and other issues of mutual interest. As part of the programme, Prime Minister will be calling on King Felipe VI of Spain. He will also have a round-table interaction with leading Spanish business leaders keen to invest in India. Indian Railways is exploring possibilities on a lease agreement to operate the light-weight, energy efficient Spanish Talgo trains to reduce travel time between metros. Talgo coaches can negotiate curves and climb hills at a much faster speed compared to conventional Indian trains. Indian Railways had conducted the first trial run of Talgo trains on the Bareilly-Moradabad stretch following which, the second trial run was conducted on the Palwal- Mathura section. The Spanish Talgo train completed its final trial in September 11 last year between Delhi and Mumbai in less than 12-hours at a maximum speed of 150 km per hour speed, making its case for induction in Indian Railways' future ventures. Modi will be the first prime minister to visit Madrid in 30 years after Rajiv Gandhi in 1988.
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Old Today, 07:55 AM   #12173
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Spain. We hope CAF takes note. They may have a more practical solution than Talgo. But it's Talgo that's trying hard all along.
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cleaning mess can be avoided, if passengers start using Trash can.

Last year i made few train trips. in 3rd AC compartment, they had Trash can.

but what about the morons who are throwing stones from outside and breaking the glass?
strict punishment in form of fines and replacement of damaged items should be maintained as in foreign countries.Also there should be frequent warnings about misbeheaviour in the form of announcement /pamplets.This incident which happened onboard the most expensive train highlights that the it is not the iliterate or underprevilaged but ignorant and irresponsible rich.they should be publicly shunned in the form of community service like cleaning up a railway platform for a day.this measure had a fantastic result in many countries.unfortunately we indians only learn the hard way!
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nothing is gonna change Indian audience
their thinking will only degrade further to unimaginable extents bcoz they feel they've paid to litter around and that its democracy.
Even the educated people have no sense of moral responsibility and throw garbage under berths or onto other's berths to avoid getting up.
tbh IR needs to degrade to Pakistan Rail-level to match with its citizens
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