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Old October 20th, 2015, 12:55 AM   #441
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Rail_Serbia, you make a great point as to why it is economically unfeasible for DART to build a light rail extension into Ellis County. Indeed, a commuter line is the way to go. Unquestionably so. And zaphod makes a great point when it comes to a direct bus line.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 01:23 AM   #442
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It is wrong to compare buses with trains and suppose good buses are substitutes for trains. Buses are inferior by definition, and will always be.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 04:21 AM   #443
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It is wrong to compare buses with trains and suppose good buses are substitutes for trains. Buses are inferior by definition, and will always be.
You must understand differents between European and USA culture of public transport. By european standards, most of USA rail transit systems is underused. Ridership of 2000 riders per mile on light rail is a huge succes in few milions metropolitan area in USA, when in Europe you have better ridership in 300.000 provincial city. People don't grow up with public transport, limited parking space and expensive parking is only in CBD, unskilled riders give up on transit, when first time expirience pick-pocketing, a lot of contents and jobs in car-oriented "industrial parks", arhitects in transit planning, who think only about TOD, not about need to have users friendly transit...

There are also stereotypes as "transit is communism", and stereotypes related with racism, and that "rider is only someone who can't afford a car".

...and I found out that they have very conservative HR policy. There is a lot of obstacles to employ some foreign experts, when transit systems are full of children's deseases. Tram-train conception, hybrid between regional and light rail, which could be maybe the best solution for Dallas - Fort Worth link, is science fiction.

In surroundings with so much risks for investment in transit projects, the best garantee is to have a successful bus line, which would be used by some pragmatic people, who want to cut their expenses (car commuting Waxahachie-Dallas CBD costs more then 500$/month).
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Old October 21st, 2015, 06:10 AM   #444
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Or, like in Chicago today, there are certain areas you avoid. What trains travel into those bad areas of Chicago even locals take precaution to avoid.
Just to randomly point out, as the trains have been my main transport in Chicago for 15 years. I would avoid walking around and hanging out in bad areas for sure, but to just take the trains through the violent areas, it's fine.

Train lines currently run from quite wealthy areas of the near west suburbs through the very violent west side of the city and people do it every day (green line). I've taken that line and others through the south side and never felt in danger. Walking through bad areas is scary. Taking the L trains or driving on the freeway is fine...
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Old October 21st, 2015, 07:20 AM   #445
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You love my reasoning? I love how you twist everything I say and try to make a strawman to make me look like I am of a racist nature, when it is you who are contriving this on your own accord. "Well-off"? I guess you ignored the past post where it was pointed out that the median income earnings in the town are very low... Gee, seems like you're not very concerned about those who are not well off in Waxahachie. Well, I wouldn't expect anything reasonable from someone who has a "KANYE FOR PRESIDENT 2020 WE HERE FAM" banner. That tells everyone all there is to know about your mindset...

I do not need to twist anything you say simply by the fact that everything you say is entitled bullsh!t. If you honestly cannot understand how my sig is nothing short of irony, then this all makes sense. Sarcasm and depreciating humor is hard to understand on the internet.

But you bring up a point where I've twisted your words when in reality all I've done is analyzed them. Saying "it seems like you're not very concerned about those who are not well off in Waxahachie" is not only twisting my words, it's putting words in my mouth that I did not say.

Your entire ignorant argument was that an area of Dallas known for its low income and poverty levels (or a "bad" area, which is incredible) does not deserve a rail line because Waxahachie did not want a rail extension through this area into their part of town. YOU said they did not want to ride the train with these types of people, and then said that they already have a bus line and should be fine with what they have.

That means that the people of Waxahachie deserve a better, more expensive, more prestigous form of public transit because they are economically better than this "bad area of Dallas"

The fact that this continues to go over your head and your blantant disregard to those people, who are in a lower financial bracket than others, speaks volumes about your Dallas citizenship.

You are here, representing this great Texas city to the world of architecture, and you are sh!tting all over the less fortunate people, because they live in the "bad area of Dallas"

Incredible.

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Train lines currently run from quite wealthy areas of the near west suburbs through the very violent west side of the city and people do it every day (green line). I've taken that line and others through the south side and never felt in danger. Walking through bad areas is scary. Taking the L trains or driving on the freeway is fine...
Ok so now you're contradicting yourself? You say you were fine taking a train through the super-duper scary parts of the city, yet argue that Waxahachie deserves their own line that circumvents a bad area of Dallas? Jesus make up your mind.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 01:30 AM   #446
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Are you still talking? You don't shut up, do you?
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Old October 24th, 2015, 04:48 AM   #447
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Are you still talking? You don't shut up, do you?
Incredible. First, you can't offer any coherent rebuttal or counter-argument, then you start attacking my sig because you can't understand sarcasm/humor (which, btw, has nothing to do with the original argument), and now you're just mad.

Excuse me, for not "shutting up" about issues that plague this great state of ours. Excuse me, for not pushing societal issues under the rug. Excuse me, for not being an entitled prick.
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Old November 1st, 2015, 02:49 AM   #448
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I offered plenty. It was you who ignored all my main points.
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In an effort to generate more light and less heat I present the link below to a 2004 era rail transportation plan for the Dallas/Fort Worth area. It was done by the Regional Transportation Council of the North Central Trxas Council of Governments.

It is essentially a Fantasy Map produced by a committee. But since this committee has lots of staff and money they did studies of each segment and picked among the alternatives for each. Chapter 8 under the Corridor Report heading is the Dallas-Waxahachie line discussed recently on this thread.

http://www.nctcog.org/trans/transit/...rrcs/index.asp

Scroll down a bit to see the map.

Click on a Chapter line to download PDF for that segment's study.

Note that their plan was to run along the ex-Katy, now BNSF railroad and not build an extension from the south end of the Blue Line of DART light rail.

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Old November 6th, 2015, 01:10 AM   #450
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Second Quarter 2015 Ridership numbers for Dallas

Light Rail
Dallas / DART LRT - 95,300 (2015) : 2.10% +

Commuter Rail
Dallas-Fort Worth / Trinity Railway Express - 7,500 (2015) : -11.22%

Bus Ridership
Dallas / DART Bus - 120,700 (2015) : 4.55% +
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Old January 5th, 2016, 06:20 AM   #451
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3rd Quarter 2015 Ridership numbers for Dallas

Light Rail
Dallas / DART LRT - 100,200 (2015) : 2.10% +

Commuter Rail
Dallas-Fort Worth / Trinity Railway Express - 7,800 (2015) : 5.08%

Bus Ridership
Dallas / DART Bus - 123,200 (2015) : 3.97%+
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DART streetcar, D-Link changes are prelude to expansions

By BRANDON FORMBY
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Published: 03 January 2016 10:30 PM
Updated: 03 January 2016 10:55 PM

The Dallas-Oak Cliff streetcar’s schedule is getting a revamp in the first of a handful of high-profile Dallas Area Rapid Transit service changes and expansions coming in the new year.

The streetcar in February will continue its trips departing every 30 minutes, but service will start and end much later in the day. Service will begin at 9:30 a.m. and end at midnight. DART will also expand the same schedule to weekends for the first time.

Once the free line is extended from Methodist Dallas Medical Center to the Bishop Arts District, by the end of the year, streetcars will run every 20 minutes each day.

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By the end of 2016, DART also expects to open the new Camp Wisdom and University of North Texas at Dallas Stations on its Blue Line. That rail line change will force some bus route changes, extensions and eliminations. The agency also wants to increase the frequency of two shuttle routes that serve the new Parkland Memorial Hospital, which opened in 2015.

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Old February 13th, 2016, 05:36 AM   #453
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I hope that we will see a street car extension into the Cedars, as well as to the zoo, one of these days. Amazing how Dallas is pioneering rail transport
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I'm sorry, but a streetcar departing ever 30min in a central area is just a joyride, not a very useful provision for public transportation.
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I'm sorry, but a streetcar departing ever 30min in a central area is just a joyride, not a very useful provision for public transportation.
well, seems like that is all there is demand for. it's very much a car-centric place.
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well, seems like that is all there is demand for. it's very much a car-centric place.
I would love dallas more if it weren't an absolute necessity to have a car. Unfortunately it is, and traffic sucks. Bad.
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I would love dallas more if it weren't an absolute necessity to have a car. Unfortunately it is, and traffic sucks. Bad.
Not hating on the city, just sharing an opinion about it's traffic.
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4th Quarter 2015 Ridership numbers for Dallas

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Dallas / DART LRT - 104,800 (2015) : 3.05% +

Commuter Rail
Dallas-Fort Worth / Trinity Railway Express - 8.100 (2015) : -1.62%

Bus Ridership
Dallas / DART Bus - 120,000 (2015) : -8.10%
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Good they want to publicize more train services, but, gosh, the frequencies are too low, up to 1 hour between trains during midday Mon-Fri....
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