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Old Yesterday, 05:10 AM   #2381
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This is your opinion, the city of London has some of the most elegant skyscrapers in the world. Dubai and Middle eastern clusters are kitsch, do you know the difference?
First of all, not all Dubai skyscrapers are kitsch and certainly not all Middle East skylines are kitsch. Take Doha or Kuwait City for example, there is nothing kitsch about their towers. These skylines are beautiful and blow many cities, including London, out of the water. Yes, Dubai does have plenty of kitschy towers mainly on that main road near the Burj so I can agree on calling this skyline kitsch to a certain extent. We have to keep in mind that what looks kitsch to western eyes may not be the same for other parts of the word. Maybe people in the Middle East and Asia consider the new towers in London and the West as kitsch. I certainly do, and I am a Westerner.
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I am Asian and consider dubai skyline as kitsch
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My freind who is Asian considers Singapore skyline as Kitsch.
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Old Yesterday, 11:50 AM   #2384
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Yes, a little bit kitsch, indeed...
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What do you think of LA's skyline? I think it doesn't get a fair shake. People expect something bigger for a city that size but it's still quite good imo.

Nice try. I'm from London so talking about a city I've spent many many years in. Canary Wharf is beautiful. I quite like one of London's first office towers (NatWest) and the Shard is beautiful. Those gimmicky designs like the Gherkin, Cheese Grater, and Walkie Talkie are tacky and I'm hardly the only person that thinks so. And a giant ferris wheel downtown? I expect that sort of thing in Vegas or a theme park not London.

London would do well to steer clear of novelty and move towards classic designs. Thankfully that seems to be happening.



And how much time have you actually spent in Toronto (or are you talking about a place you know next to nothing about)? I suppose you're referring to modernist boxes by Mies and IM Pei? I'd take those over almost anything else. There's a reason why they're studied in architecture school. They might not be showy but those buildings will stand the test of time. I suppose there will almost be people attracted to the vulgarity of the Kardashians over the timelessly of Audrey Hepburn.
I know that post was in response to someone else however I would like to reply.

First off, London is unique in that it can entertain so many architectural styles and still look amazing. That is because it has had so many architectural styles and makes Toronto look like a kid in terms history. It's pretty amazing walking around the city and if you are from London (un sure) you should see that quite easily.

London, old and new by d0gwalker, on Flickr



Second - I've been Toronto - was going to move to Toronto and still plan to Live in Toronto at some point. However, the architectural quality is still far below London.

I'm enjoying the growth of both cities. However, you do seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to London. It seems you don't like the thought of a city without a historical preference towards building tall actually well ... building tall.

The Gherkin isn't tacky. Neither is Leadenhall or Fenchurch Street, They are designed by the worlds best architects and will create a much more interesting skyline than the current bland boxes littering the Toronto skyline in years to come.

The London Eye, Swiss RE, The Shard - People can identify those with London easily.

What has Toronto got apart from the CN Tower??

In that regards, when it comes to bulk Toronto may be in front but when it comes to singular towers and being able to identify them due to their design London trumps Toronto hands down.

Another 237m tower was proposed yesterday for London. Another tower which also asthetically trumps most things being proposed in Toronto of similar height.



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Wow create new account to reply ownself? Lol
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Paris by 2025 without the twins supertalls (Hermitage Plaza) but with Phare Tower (297m)
+ Hekla (230m)

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This is your opinion, the city of London has some of the most elegant skyscrapers in the world. Dubai and Middle eastern clusters are kitsch, do you know the difference?
Doha skyline >>>>>>>>>>>>> London skyline

Have a look at Doha skyline before making ignorant comments!
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I wouldn't exactly call London's skyline "elegant" but at the same time it's not kitsch. My main problem is that the placement of the Shard, which makes it look ridiculously out of place. Otherwise it's an interesting (in a good way) skyline.
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My issue with the London skyline is that while "most" of the buildings are great individually, they do not go well together. The Shard and the Leadenhall towers are amazing. On the other hand, Swiss RE and the walkie-talkie are not my cup of tea. Their shapes do not go well with the architecture around them.
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Doha skyline >>>>>>>>>>>>> London skyline

Have a look at Doha skyline before making ignorant comments!
How about we all first learn the concept of opinions before making ignorant comments?

Anyway, I think the London City skyline is great. I was very impressed when seeing it in person. However, I also think the Shard is too far away from the main cluster, and I also believe that it lacks a bit of density. Individually, I love the towers in London City, but as a skyline, I actually prefer Canary Wharf.
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Old Today, 04:53 AM   #2392
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I know that post was in response to someone else however I would like to reply.

First off, London is unique in that it can entertain so many architectural styles and still look amazing. That is because it has had so many architectural styles and makes Toronto look like a kid in terms history. It's pretty amazing walking around the city and if you are from London (un sure) you should see that quite easily.
Well, I think that has something to do with the fact that London is 2000 years older than Toronto.

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What has Toronto got apart from the CN Tower??
You mean apart from the tallest free-standing structure in the Western hemisphere? We also have a bunch of International Style buildings designed by Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, maybe the name sounds familiar. Right next to them we have FCP by B+H Architects (ring a bell?). There's also a condo tower by a certain Libeskind, a supertall approved waiting to start construction designed by some unknown guys (Mirvish and Gehry), another supertall in the pipeline from dude named Foster.

Yup, Toronto definitely has nothing else than just the CN Tower.

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Another 237m tower was proposed yesterday for London. Another tower which also asthetically trumps most things being proposed in Toronto of similar height.
Did you checked the "Toronto Projects & Construction" thread lately? Just saying.

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Old Today, 10:23 AM   #2393
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While I agree that older architecture or even modern buildings in old style can add a lot to a skyline, they do that on the ground level or mid rise level. Some buildings with tall spires might add 150m buildings into the mix, but that's about it. So these buildings add a lot of context to a skyline, but don't add much to the skyline itself. A good skyline can be made better, but cannot rise to another level with good context in my opinion. London, compared to other cities worldwide falls back in the density and height aspect and the context of nice surrounding architecture cannot save that. Talking globally of course, compared to other european cities it wins against all the cities that believe building taller than 150m ruins their cityscape.
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