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Old September 19th, 2017, 06:34 PM   #861
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Old October 4th, 2017, 03:28 PM   #862
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Old October 6th, 2017, 06:44 AM   #863
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Not really cultural, more like practical—in colder climates overhead cables need a ton of maintenance, and it's more expensive to build them in the first place. Therefore the cost difference vs. underground cables there is small. In Israel it is enormous.

Granted, there is another major reason cables aren't put underground in Israel: the municipalities refuse to participate in the expenses, while IEC has been in severe debt for over a decade, making them unable to invest in such projects. It will likely take at least another decade for things to stabilize, but when they do I think we will see more public work to put the cables underground.
If this explanation is true about cold and hot climates - why are overhead cables used so much in Russia , even in the coldest regions?

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Yet all large, advanced cities do it, particularly in dense high-rise areas.
The most advanced cities are not all doing it universally across their city space. E.g. in Moscow, they put the cables underground in some tourist areas (obviously to improve the aesthetics), but in much of the city it is still not there yet.

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And TLV is obviously, very poor.
I guess if the main advantage is seen as aesthetic, then it's not going to be high on the list of priorities? TLV is really not yet much of a tourist attraction where the municipality has a large budget just to beautify things. If this was Prague with 30 million tourists a year. But Tel Aviv gets only 1/20th of the amount of tourists that Prague gets.

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Old October 6th, 2017, 07:19 PM   #864
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I guess if the main advantage is seen as aesthetic, then it's not going to be high on the list of priorities? TLV is really not yet much of a tourist attraction where the municipality has a large budget just to beautify things. If this was Prague with 30 million tourists a year. But Tel Aviv gets only 1/20th of the amount of tourists that Prague gets.
You won't find many modern city centers with 3rd world style hanging cables like you see in the center of TLV.
The purpose of removing the cables is not only aesthetic, although I don't disregard the importance of aesthetics -
1. It's dangerous, this infrastructure is very old, and almost every winter you have power outage because of that
2. As mentioned, it prevents from developing big and mature trees that will supply shade and make streets walkable.
Take Ben Yehuda st. for an example, there is a reason why it's so much less popular than Dizengoff st. - it had no shade
(Although half of Dizengoff is also shadeless from the same reason - cables running through it's eastern side)
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You won't find many modern city centers with 3rd world style hanging cables like you see in the center of TLV.
The purpose of removing the cables is not only aesthetic, although I don't disregard the importance of aesthetics -
1. It's dangerous, this infrastructure is very old, and almost every winter you have power outage because of that
2. As mentioned, it prevents from developing big and mature trees that will supply shade and make streets walkable.
Take Ben Yehuda st. for an example, there is a reason why it's so much less popular than Dizengoff st. - it had no shade
(Although half of Dizengoff is also shadeless from the same reason - cables running through it's eastern side)
I don't disagree.

But clearly it is expensive to change it, and likely not cost-effective for most Israeli cities (which don't rely on aesthetics in order to attract tourists, or manage to attract many by international standards).

Also the overhead wire situation in Tel Aviv is about to get even worse, when the light rail comes in.
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Old October 7th, 2017, 10:56 AM   #866
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Old October 7th, 2017, 11:36 AM   #867
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I don't disagree.

But clearly it is expensive to change it, and likely not cost-effective for most Israeli cities (which don't rely on aesthetics in order to attract tourists, or manage to attract many by international standards).

Also the overhead wire situation in Tel Aviv is about to get even worse, when the light rail comes in.
I think you underestimate how rich the municipality of TLV is, just now they have spent hundreds of millions on the Auto-Tel project,
putting wires below the ground is a piece of cake for them.
If there is a serious limitation I'd say it would be due to bureaucracy and coordination with IEC.

Regarding the LRT wires - that's true, but you can't compare an organized planned infrastructure (which takes into account street planning and greenery as well),
to the New-Delhi's main bazaar style which exists today - totally improvised.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #869
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Old October 14th, 2017, 06:06 PM   #870
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Nice project, but what a concentration of ugly towers around it!!! Besides the waste of land to parking lots aand open areas!
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When atmn cars come along as taxis we can turn parking lots into gardens and shops
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