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Old September 3rd, 2017, 03:48 PM   #141
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Old September 5th, 2017, 09:33 AM   #142
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There will always be a backlash to any movement, including the urban revival. However, I don't see this trend reversing as long as globalization is alive and well as it is basically an urban system. I think this is more a case of those young professionals who once poured into cities now find that as they get older they too want to live in a house with a garden in a quiet area. Not to mention that today's youngsters are quite conservative. Gentrification is also pushing people back into the suburbs effectively ridding city cores of the talent and creativity that was present during the "gloomy" years of the 70s and 80s. Still, I don't see the urban revival as being over - far from it.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 05:29 PM   #143
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They seem to forget cities have plenty of quiet neighborhoods.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 11:54 PM   #144
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Still, I don't see the urban revival as being over - far from it.
We need to remember that headlines are not written by the actual article authors but by subeditors, who almost always go for the sensational. If the headline had been reflective of the article's content, it would be saying somthing along the lines that in the US, some figures related to urban development are concerning. Otherwise yeah, it's similar for me, where I am (France) urban renewal is barely now starting to gather pace.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 06:43 AM   #145
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I don't know, that article bases itself on the fact some "suburban" towns grew, but I would ask what is the state of development there. Are they increasing in density and integrating with the urban core? In that case, it would be the urban revival bursting out of its "downtown" myth.

Because the article does mention some of the reasons in the decrease of some city populations: not just crime or quality of life, but simply the astronomical rise in cost.

Is it the housing marking finding new locations to increase the supply of dense urban residential neighborhoods within the same public transportation network?
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Old September 10th, 2017, 10:23 PM   #146
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They seem to forget cities have plenty of quiet neighborhoods.
Indeed. Vienna for example has a few large, fairly central urban development areas which are developed on former railway sites. They share certain things in common: central parks with schools alongside them, very little car traffic within those areas, a very relaxed and also children friendly atmosphere, good public transportation and a good selection of supermarkets in walking distance. This concept seems to be so successful that planners themselves even under estimated the number of children in those neighbourhoods and more schools have to be built than originally anticipated for example.

Those who long for some gardening on their own also have the chance of joining some local urban gardening groups where you can plant in a raised bed anything you want (as long as it's legal if you know what I mean ) Those urban gardening plots are quite popular indeed, so is balcony gardening.

It is true that some like to move to the suburbs or back to their villages of origin once they are founding a family but an increasing number is instead having no such plans at all, and moving to those new urban neighbourhoods instead as they don't want to rely on a car, playing taxi all day for their children and having to drive every and anywhere for the most basic things.

Maybe Vienna is different though as the municipal policies on subsidized housing mean that life in central urban neighbourhoods can be affordable.


A fascinating middle thing is the Seestadt Aspern btw. It's location is rather suburban already, it is however very well connected by PT (subway + bus, soon also S-Bahn) and within the development area of completely urban density and layout, with all of the basic infrastructure being in walking distance, a lot of nice urban parks and soon also some hotels and office buildings. Life there is even more laid back and more comparable to a small town of a population of 20 000 or so.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 03:13 AM   #147
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Old September 11th, 2017, 06:37 PM   #148
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Indeed. Vienna for example has a few large, fairly central urban development areas which are developed on former railway sites. They share certain things in common: central parks with schools alongside them, very little car traffic within those areas, a very relaxed and also children friendly atmosphere, good public transportation and a good selection of supermarkets in walking distance. This concept seems to be so successful that planners themselves even under estimated the number of children in those neighbourhoods and more schools have to be built than originally anticipated for example.

Those who long for some gardening on their own also have the chance of joining some local urban gardening groups where you can plant in a raised bed anything you want (as long as it's legal if you know what I mean ) Those urban gardening plots are quite popular indeed, so is balcony gardening.

It is true that some like to move to the suburbs or back to their villages of origin once they are founding a family but an increasing number is instead having no such plans at all, and moving to those new urban neighbourhoods instead as they don't want to rely on a car, playing taxi all day for their children and having to drive every and anywhere for the most basic things.

Maybe Vienna is different though as the municipal policies on subsidized housing mean that life in central urban neighbourhoods can be affordable.


A fascinating middle thing is the Seestadt Aspern btw. It's location is rather suburban already, it is however very well connected by PT (subway + bus, soon also S-Bahn) and within the development area of completely urban density and layout, with all of the basic infrastructure being in walking distance, a lot of nice urban parks and soon also some hotels and office buildings. Life there is even more laid back and more comparable to a small town of a population of 20 000 or so.
Suburbanites(at least in the USA) think the central city is all crowded and noisy.
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Well they certainly will see their views confirmed regading the "crowded" part, after all any hood where you can see your neighbour from your home might be crowded by their definition. The noisy however can be quite a stretch, many central areas are actually much less noisy than various suburban style neighhbourhoods with lots of car traffic and the necessary highways or other highly used main car corridors and few major obstacles for the noise.

Not winning any prizes for most beautiful architecture but certainly everything but a stressy grey neighbourhood, even on a very grey day:
Those trees are also still very young, wait a few more years until they have grown to some proper size.

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Old September 15th, 2017, 10:17 AM   #150
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Also very interesting: Why Koreans Shun the Suburbs
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Yeap, really interesting !
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Old September 30th, 2017, 05:29 PM   #152
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Well, we finally fixed the residential problems in the suburbs. Shame that the suburban big-box retail sector is now in crisis...

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Tremendous video of how it used to be for Parisian pedestrians at the height of the car age: https://twitter.com/Inafr_officiel/s...20644925759488
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