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Old December 7th, 2017, 12:39 AM   #8301
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I like the béton brut bollards and I think they look best without cheesy toppings. I also like them precisely in front of the QVB's wedding cake architecture. It makes a good contrast.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 02:18 AM   #8302
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. It's overkill simple bollards at the end of pedestrianised zones would of worked.
How?
You can't barricade the tram tracks or the slip lanes. Unless it's a purely pedestrian area you need to separate areas that trams/vehicles can travel and can't.

And simple bollards (like those placed in the slip lanes) are no longer sufficient against the potential threat (ergo additional blocks behind the bollards)

I'm sure we will get a better solution (ideally a mix of more trees, planter boxes, street furniture) but it won't be particularly discrete.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 04:44 AM   #8303
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You also can’t sit on conventional bollards. Seriously check it out down there at lunch time. There are people everywhere, sitting all over the place. It’s fantastic.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 06:01 AM   #8304
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You also can’t sit on conventional bollards. Seriously check it out down there at lunch time. There are people everywhere, sitting all over the place. It’s fantastic.
The only section I found a bit strange was near Market St were the were a number of metal poles with concrete blocks next to them
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Old December 7th, 2017, 10:33 PM   #8305
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The metal polls aren’t protective - one has been knocked over by a truck coming out of the Myer loading dock already.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 03:51 AM   #8306
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Did the truck driver even look where he was going?
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Old December 8th, 2017, 05:13 AM   #8307
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How?
You can't barricade the tram tracks or the slip lanes. Unless it's a purely pedestrian area you need to separate areas that trams/vehicles can travel and can't.

And simple bollards (like those placed in the slip lanes) are no longer sufficient against the potential threat (ergo additional blocks behind the bollards)

I'm sure we will get a better solution (ideally a mix of more trees, planter boxes, street furniture) but it won't be particularly discrete.
You can (and should) have pop up bollards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Cw0QJU8ro
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Old December 8th, 2017, 10:33 AM   #8308
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You can (and should) have pop up bollards
Need something more serious than that.
It does appear there are some popup bollards that could stop a 7500kg vehicle at speed but they require a reasonable depth to operate in.

And not sure how they'd with with the third rail in that section.

And it still doesn't protect from someone say streaming a truck from one of the delivery zones
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Old December 8th, 2017, 02:26 PM   #8309
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Those rising bollards are easily man enough to stop a 7.5T truck (or can be obtained such)

The problem is much more that you’d have to dig up and reengineer the track in those sections. Not impossible....I would have liked to see that rather than so many Bollards, but.....*shrugs* I think a lot of turrrism response is a bit ham fisted
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Old December 8th, 2017, 03:08 PM   #8310
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The popup bollards would be ideal for Martin Place (and maybe the new Alfred Street plaza but I'm not sure how well they would interface with trams moving at speed?
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Old December 10th, 2017, 09:27 AM   #8311
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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-1...ailers/9244538

I am sympathetic to the retailers, but the development of Light Rail through the city is well overdue and ultimately of huge benefit to all retailers and residents in its vicinity.

I enjoyed walking the length of the so far completed pedestrianised zone today. Amazing. George Street is actually beautiful!!! Who knew?
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Old December 10th, 2017, 10:42 AM   #8312
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Obviously tried to avoid them by doing the presser on a Sunday.

I wonder if said shopkeepers were involved at the early stage.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/support-fo...119-29mhe.html

Complex projects always have a habit of missing schedules
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Old December 10th, 2017, 10:46 AM   #8313
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It's not as if the Government/TfNSW didn't warn everyone there'd be MAJOR disruption.

http://data.mysydney.nsw.gov.au/file...newsletter.pdf

Contrast their whining to the positive response from the Managing Director of Dymocks, who thought the pain was worth the gain

https://thedymocksbuildingredesign.w...hicle-unveiled
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Old December 10th, 2017, 10:54 AM   #8314
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Apparently they’re claiming business dropped 90%. Forgive me if I’m highly skeptical of that claim. I wonder which store in The Strand they are because there doesn’t appear to be a jewellery store on George St in The Strand Arcade.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/angry-reta...10-h020jm.html
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Old December 10th, 2017, 11:54 AM   #8315
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Yeah, I agree. There is no jewellery store that I know that front’s George St on any level. Sounds like they’ve lost their mojo or are no longer relevant in the market place. They need to stop blaming light rail construction and call on 'Mary queen of shops’
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Old December 10th, 2017, 11:58 AM   #8316
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I walk this strip every day and do a lot of my day to day shopping there; some businesses may have suffered a downturn and genuinely feel it due to the roadworks but I see little evidence of this. I see many businesses thriving, Haighs chocolates being a prime example.
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Old December 10th, 2017, 12:19 PM   #8317
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Strand Arcade has always had the same foot traffic. But more lately due to Christmas
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Old December 10th, 2017, 12:25 PM   #8318
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https://www.facebook.com/SydneyLight...6444620482105/

Video of the setting up of the Christmas decorations on George Street.
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Old December 10th, 2017, 12:40 PM   #8319
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According to tv news the jewellers have 2 shops, one shop in The Strand. I walked up the crowded footpath of George Street many times while work progressed on the street so I am suspicious.

I think they may be making an attempt to get their superannuation healthy before retirement. Given their age and a glimpse of their shop on the tv news, I'd hazard a guess their style of jewellery is no longer fashionable and their market has declined.

George Street shop keepers are liable to compensation and a number of claims have been made, and some settled for up to $100K.

As the street is now flooding with pedestrians and Christmas is looming fast I'd imagine the Good Times will be rolling in and any losses will be more than compensated for.
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Old December 10th, 2017, 01:04 PM   #8320
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Oh what a shame, they'll have more foot traffic outside their business. How terrible. I guess they think nothing should ever change and everything should stay exactly the same. Let's not have new metros because of the disruption it'll cause. Let's just decide that a messy room is better than a clean room because of the messier state it'll be in before you finally you clean it. Short-sighted fools. And so typical of the nimby and always-whinging SMH to write up yet another negative thing about this project.
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