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Old May 13th, 2016, 01:27 AM   #1
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Is the earth flat?

Is the earth flat? Debunk all statements beyond doubt

The evidence for a flat earth is derived from many different facets of science and philosophy. The simplest is by relying on ones own senses to discern the true nature of the world around us. The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat, the movement of the sun; these are all examples of your senses telling you that we do not live on a spherical heliocentric world. This is using what's called an empirical approach, or an approach that relies on information from your senses. Alternatively, when using Descartes' method of Cartesian doubt to skeptically view the world around us, one quickly finds that the notion of a spherical world is the theory which has the burden of proof and not flat earth theory.
Perhaps the best example of flat earth proof is the Bedford Level Experiment. In short, this was an experiment performed many times on a six-mile stretch of water that proved the surface of the water to be flat. It did not conform to the curvature of the earth that round earth proponents teach.
Many other experiments demonstrating the lack of curvature in the earth may be found in Earth Not a Globe, by Samuel Rowbotham.


People have been into space. How have they not discovered that the earth is flat?

The most commonly accepted explanation of this is that the space agencies of the world are involved in a conspiracy faking space travel and exploration. This likely began during the Cold War's 'Space Race', in which the USSR and USA were obsessed with beating each other into space to the point that each faked their accomplishments in an attempt to keep pace with the other's supposed achievements. Since the end of the Cold War, however, the conspiracy is most likely motivated by greed rather than political gains, and using only some of their funding to continue to fake space travel saves a lot of money to embezzle for themselves.
In light of the above, please note that we are not suggesting that space agencies are aware that the earth is flat and actively covering the fact up. They depict the earth as being round simply because that is what they expect it to be.


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There are rivers that flow for hundreds of miles towards the level of the sea without falling more than a few feet - notably, the Nile, which, in a thousand miles, falls but a foot. A level expanse of this extent is quite incompatible with the idea of the Earth's "convexity." It is, therefore, a reasonable proof that Earth is not a globe.
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In a 2-dimensional space, Earth is indeed flat (without a boundary).

And whether you describe Earth in 2 or 3 dimensions doesn't really matter since both are quite arbitrary number of dimensions anyway. In particular if we assume that string theory holds some truth, then we could also go with a 9-dimensional space.
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Old May 13th, 2016, 08:07 AM   #5
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There are rivers that flow for hundreds of miles towards the level of the sea without falling more than a few feet - notably, the Nile, which, in a thousand miles, falls but a foot.
The Aswan Dam is 111 metres tall. Had your statement been true, the dam's reservoir would have flooded most of East Africa. Instead, it takes but a quick Wikipedia search to find that the headwaters of the White Nile is 2,700 metres above sea level. Lake Victoria, from which the White Nile flows, is 1100 metres above sea level. Lake Tana, the "source" of the Blue Nile, sits even higher at 1700 metres.

It doesn't take much effort to to explain the dubious results of the Bedford Level experiment either. You really posted this thread to troll, didn't you?
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Old May 13th, 2016, 04:49 PM   #7
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As goschio said Earth is really flat if observed from 2-dimensional perspective. However big challenge at this moment is how to visualize universe. As people were seeing Earth as 'flat board' from 2-dimensional perspective, today most people see universe as 'physical ball' from 3-dimensional perspective. But universe is 4-dimensional 'something' what we cannot depict. However you still can imagine universe being ball and earth being flat for romantical purposes...
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The Aswan Dam is 111 metres tall. Had your statement been true, the dam's reservoir would have flooded most of East Africa. Instead, it takes but a quick Wikipedia search to find that the headwaters of the White Nile is 2,700 metres above sea level. Lake Victoria, from which the White Nile flows, is 1100 metres above sea level. Lake Tana, the "source" of the Blue Nile, sits even higher at 1700 metres.

It doesn't take much effort to to explain the dubious results of the Bedford Level experiment either. You really posted this thread to troll, didn't you?
No I didn't nor I am a flat earth believer.

I knew there was going to be some bullying whoever a lot of people take this theory seriously and I thought it would be nice to discuss it beyond all the name calling, etc SSC has rules so I thought this subject would be safe here.

Would you or anyone care to debunk the Bedford Level experiment since it doesn't take much effort to explain?

I can see Downtown Toronto from Niagara on the lake (at lake level) it is a 47 km distance. How far do I have to see on straight line before the curvature of the planet allows me to see only the top of the 553 meter tall CN Tower for example?
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I wonder how did they measure that river (no)curvature? River altitude or water level depends on lot of things not just earth being round. If it rains in north Nile region, Nile water surface would be at higher level than at it's southern part. Considering how far would CN tower be visible on horizont I don't know but there is post in Jeddah tower thread which calculates at what distance will it be visible. I think it was about 180 miles or something, I am not sure...

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Made this up after a few minutes and that horizon post above.

It's not exact, of course, and I'm using miles, but I generally put the tower at the "e" in Jeddah for the closer map, and right above the white dot for the city in the larger map so positioning may be slightly off there. As was said above, we get a radius of just under 70 miles or ~110 KM for the height.

In other words, if we stood on top of KT, here's a good estimate at how far we can see.

Since we're cutting down the distance to around 600m, that would indeed appear to put Mecca / Makkah right at the edge of what'd be viewable. But since that clock tower itself is so high, I do wonder if we could see it...

But now I'm sure we can just convince the royals to build a tower 2,000m high. That might just be high enough to put the horizon as far as the landmasses of Egypt and Sudan. ^_^



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Old May 13th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #10
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Whether the Earth is round or flat is a debate that has been settled for about 2200 years now. What else is there to say about it? The "flat earthers" are in urgent need of psychiatric help, seriously.
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Old May 13th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #11
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Would you or anyone care to debunk the Bedford Level experiment since it doesn't take much effort to explain?
Is the Wikipedia page enough? Scroll down and read the section titled "Refraction", which provides a reasonable explanation in a handful of lines.


Main thing is, the curvature of the Earth is really well documented, and it's the only model that fits physics as we know them. Besides, since you can find the stuff required to prove the curvature of the Earth in any hardware store, trying to cover up a round-Earth conspiracy would be next to impossible.

The Flat Earth Society, as it exists today (you've probably stumbled across their forums), is mostly trolling intertwined with a quite heavy philosophical exercise in denialsm. The site gets a steady stream of traffic with newcomers trying to talk sense, and the regulars get a kick out of trolling them. When backed into a corner, the easy escape is simply "It's a big conspiracy, so all the data you could possibly acess is fabricated anyway". You can observe a lot of the common traits among conspiracy theorists in a raw form with the flat-earthers. Few if any of them believe what they're arguing for anyway, so the debates are to-the-point and not muddled with the anger and paranoia that usually comes when a conspiracy theorist is confronted. It all comes down to the raw fallacies and philosophical whataboutism, instead of name-calling and insults. Quite fascinating, if you ask me.
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Do we really need a thread on this topic? I mean ... c'mon!
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Who would ever want to believe in a flat world, when the center of the earth should be most definitely filled with tootsie roll fudge. It should only take about 6 billion trillion licks....What do you think , Mr. Owl...?
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How far do I have to see on straight line before the curvature of the planet allows me to see only the top of the 553 meter tall CN Tower for example?

https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve...&unit=imperial
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why do helium balloons defy the force of gravity?
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why do helium balloons defy the force of gravity?
Lower density than the air they float in. Pull an empty, closed plastic bottle under water to witness the exact same effect. In vacuum, helium balloons would fall to the ground at the acceleration of gravity (or, well, they'd pop, but if they were sturdy enough, they'd fall).
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why do helium balloons defy the force of gravity?
Because Merlin made it so. Back in the day when King Arthur lost a battle to Little Red Riding Hood and her army of werewolves, Arthur was trapped in one of Riding Hood's basket prisons. Granny was a terrible prison warden and used to rub honey on Arthur's anus so that bees would tickle him. That was fun for a while, but it gave him gas and he got sick of Granny calling him Arthur the Farther. He remembered that he could use his magic cod piece he got from Merlin, the last time they were together in their night chamber, to call him. So Merlin showed up and realized Arthur was farting helium for some reason, but it was heavy and kept falling to the grown. So Merlin used Arthur's cod piece to call on his friend, the Magic Swan who gave him one of her feathers, (and a blow job) and using it he magically made helium have the power to defy gravity. True story bro.

Too bad the we live under a masonic-iluminati oligarchy who is hiding the truth from us. They've turned real heroes like Arthur into fairy tales, and made us believe nonsense like round earths. Like have you ever tried to stand on a ball? Like sure, yeah, whatever.

We need more smart people like you. Thanks Cooky-toe.
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Do we really need a thread on this topic? I mean ... c'mon!
There is a big one already
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Lower density than the air they float in. Pull an empty, closed plastic bottle under water to witness the exact same effect. In vacuum, helium balloons would fall to the ground at the acceleration of gravity (or, well, they'd pop, but if they were sturdy enough, they'd fall).
That's what crooked mainstream science tells you. Don't believe everything.
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According to Trump voters, the Earth may be flat. Sure. Amazing.
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