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Old March 30th, 2007, 01:11 PM   #1
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Religious militants are a more imminent threat than communists

Militants attack new leftist party


Prodita Sabarini, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Members of a new leftist party on their way to a demonstration were set upon by hundreds of members of radical Islamic groups on Jl. Sudirman, Central Jakarta, on Thursday.

Members of the United National Liberation Party (Papernas), were traveling to the Shangri-la Hotel, where they planned to protest against the government's lack of action on the Millennium Development Goals.

But at around midday, hundreds of men from the Islam Defenders Front (FPI) and the Betawi Brotherhood Forum (FBR) stopped the buses and began to throw rocks at them, accusing the party of supporting communism.

Papernas estimated that at least five party members were injured and 17 buses were damaged.

The protesters, mostly women with their children, were on their way to the Shangri-la Hotel, just off Jl. Sudirman, Central Jakarta, where President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono was scheduled to attend a Regional High Level Consultation on UN System Wide Conference.

The conference was moved to the presidential palace, at the last minute.

The attackers threw rocks for about 10 minutes at the Papernas members, who were supported by passers-by and ojek drivers.

City police arrested an FPI member, Muhammad Rofik, at the scene and detained him for questioning.

The groups, lead by the FPI, had gathered in the morning at Tugu Proklamasi in Central Jakarta. FPI secretary Irwan said they were holding an Indonesian Anti-Communist Society Joint Movement Against Papernas.

The movement includes 15 organizations, including the FBR, Taruna Muslim and Red and White Defenders.

"We will continue to fight the emergence of any organizations or parties heralding communism in any way," he was quoted by Antara as saying.

Dita Indah Sari, a member of Papernas' advisory council, said the party was not communist-ornamented.

Dita, a prominent labor activist, added that people tended to associate Papernas with communism because its three main targets were wiping out the country's foreign debt, the nationalization of mining companies and strengthening the economy through domestic industry.

"People stigmatize us with communism, but we are not (a communist party) from whatever aspect people see us. I challenge anyone to prove that we are communist," Dita said, adding that the party's ideology was based on social democracy.

She added that Papernas would bring the attack to the Jakarta Police to ask for an investigation.

The party's committee will also meet with several Islamic leaders, including Din Syamsuddin of Muhammadiyah, Hasyim Muzadi of Nahdlatul Ulama and Abu Bakar Ba'asyir to ask for information on the attack.

"We want to know their viewpoints because the FPI always says that it's representing Islam," said Dita.

Due to the incident, dozens of buses stopped running, causing traffic on Jl. Sudirman heading to the Hotel Indonesia roundabout to become heavily congested.(01)


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Old March 30th, 2007, 01:42 PM   #2
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FPI Strikes Back...!!! Indonesian Police Are Impotent

The ass holes in action (I purposely didn't censor my word)









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Old March 30th, 2007, 01:54 PM   #3
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Gosh... nearly primeval...

The hardliners of certain beliefs in Indonesia should know that the current radicalism is a result of/originated from US policy to block the wave of leftism/communism/socialism from the north at the time in the 60s.

Otherwise most Indonesian today wouldve still practices indigenous or far eastern origin beliefs (better suited for indonesian indigenous culture & nature) as in few hundreds years ago -and even only up to 50 years ago-, which proven in history of a thousand years, was a more peaceful time in Indonesia.
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Old March 30th, 2007, 02:32 PM   #4
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To me FPI = Front Pengaco Indonesia

A true terorist group, if succeed to become powerful in Indonesia, will make our country a 2nd Afghanistan.

Now let's just imagine what it would be like to live under FPI:

1. No education for all females.
2. Indonesia will no longer have pretty and attractive girls because they will all be banned to walk down the neighborhood street in their normal attire.
3. No movies and no internet - thus it would also be the end of the Indonesian forum in Skyscraper except for those who live outside of Indonesia.
4. We are all known as terrorists - this is unfortunate but it is what the world has discriminatingly viewed people in the Muslim worlds especially those that breed radical view points.
5. Bali will seceed. North Sumatra, Manado, Papua, Ambom, Maluku will also fight for independence or at least they will be more sectarian unrests in those regions due to religious reason.
6. Candi Borobudur and Candi Prambanan will be demolised - and that will also signal the end of the ancient Javanese cultures in Indonesia.
7. No more democratic election in the country but I guess DPR will still be controlled by a bunch of pathetic jokers.
8. BUT, at least we will all be cowboys carrying our own weapons to fight the infidels whoever they are.

Wow....what a scary thought. C'mon, we are Indonesian and we need to fight this. We need to unite under our diversities to stamp out any radical views and actions as those being shown by FPI in the last several years.
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Old March 30th, 2007, 05:38 PM   #5
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The ass holes in action (I purposely didn't censor my word)









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Old March 30th, 2007, 06:38 PM   #6
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I think under Soeharto under control as such this peoples .
Anyway, ini juga yang bikin investor malaz dateng ke Indonesia karena takut sama organisasi yang seperti ini. Anehnya koq govt kagak kasih pelajaran keras sih

Lihat malayasia, walau mengaku negara Islam tapi under control, dan western turis enter banyak.....

Selama anarkis, percaya deh Investor malaz masuk ke Indonesia
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Old March 30th, 2007, 07:10 PM   #7
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FPI in no way represents Islam... Islam in Indonesia Islam in the world.
Like FBR are no way representing Betawi people, even FBR leader is not Betawi.
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Old March 30th, 2007, 08:18 PM   #8
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I can predict the future.....

Ara is gonna come storming to this thread
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Old March 30th, 2007, 09:40 PM   #9
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If Indonesia becomes an atheist country like China/North Korea/Russia (Chinese government is promoting Atheism), would you say we would have less problems? I believe religion should be a freedom of choice but it looks like some people are taking it too far and seriously, and this happens in every country.
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Old March 31st, 2007, 12:42 AM   #10
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Russia is not an atheistic country. They are even teaching Russian Orthodoxy in public schools.

Also, what do you mean, "a more imminent threat than communism"? I didn't know communism was a threat to Indonesia any longer.

Lastly, isn't it a bit odd that 5 people were injured and thousands of dollars of damage was done, but only one FPI member was arrested?
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Old March 31st, 2007, 04:29 AM   #11
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If Indonesia becomes an atheist country like China/North Korea/Russia (Chinese government is promoting Atheism), would you say we would have less problems? I believe religion should be a freedom of choice but it looks like some people are taking it too far and seriously, and this happens in every country.
I prefer die as a communist rather than lives as a religious person but do violences to my others.

My confusion start when Indonesian govt banned communism in Indonesia because in the past communist party wanted to change Pancasila as root of Indonesia with communism (Papernas suspected to be new version of communist party), but they didn't banned FPI which is clearly the new DI/TII who also want to change Pancasila with syariah law??


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Old March 31st, 2007, 05:06 AM   #12
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Kayanya government dulu itu lebih berdaulat daripada yg sekarang.
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Old March 31st, 2007, 05:19 AM   #13
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klo zaman soeharto
org2 kayak fpi itu uda dihabisin semua
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Old March 31st, 2007, 05:24 AM   #14
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I suppose the real question is why do these hardliners behave in exactly the same way as those old Imperial Communists? I mean, the modern Communism and Socialism is liberal and pacifist. I think if FPI are really anti-Communist, they should present themselves as a rival, not agressor. If they want people to be anti-Communist, they ought to present themselves as the exact opposite of Imperial Communism, not just a bunch of uncivilised, misinformed self-proclaimed militants.
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IMO FPI is the real communist with the different yelling
If in N. Korea they are yelling about great leader Kim
In Indonesia they are yelling ... you know lah

Indications of communism:
1. look down at other ideology (feel that their's are the best and try to apply to all societies)
2. Crush down every organizations with different ideology (If necessary with violence)
3. Anti democracy
4. Same high, same low in every condition (If I suffer you must suffer as well)
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Old March 31st, 2007, 06:59 AM   #16
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IMO FPI is the real communist with the different yelling
If in N. Korea they are yelling about great leader Kim
In Indonesia they are yelling ... you know lah

Indications of communism:
1. look down at other ideology (feel that their's are the best and try to apply to all societies)
2. Crush down every organizations with different ideology (If necessary with violence)
3. Anti democracy
4. Same high, same low in every condition (If I suffer you must suffer as well)
Just wondering, do you know how many people are in the FPI? They sound like an interesting group of people to research about.
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Old March 31st, 2007, 07:23 AM   #17
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In almost every provinces in Indonesia
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Old March 31st, 2007, 01:00 PM   #18
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Just wondering, do you know how many people are in the FPI? They sound like an interesting group of people to research about.
This old article maybe will help you.

STRUKTUR ORGANISASI FRONT PEMBELA ISLAM (FPI)

JAKARTA, (TNI Watch!, 23/2/2000). Nama Front Pembela Islam (FPI)
makin dikenal luas karena aktifitas kelompok Islam garis keras ini
menonjol di berbagai soal politik. FPI muncul dalam dua tahun belakangan
ini, menyusul Komite Indonesia untuk Solidaritas Dunia Islam (KISDI),
organisasi serupa pimpinan Ahmad Sumargono. FPI agak berbeda dengan KISDI,
karena organisasi yang terakhir ini memiliki pasukan milisi bersenjata
(senjata tajam dan pentungan). Milisi FPI, seperti layaknya organisasi
militer, para anggotanya juga memiliki tanda kepangkatan.

FPI juga dikenal dekat dengan sejumlah kalangan Angkatan Darat
seperti Panglima Kostrad Letjen TNI Djadja Suparman (yang kemudian
menghubungkannya dengan Jendral TNI Wiranto), Mayjen TNI Kivlan Zein,
Mayjen TNI Zacky Anwar Makarim, Kasum TNI, Letjen TNI Suaidi M, Wakil
Panglima TNI, Jendral TNI Fachrul Rozi dan lain-lain. FPI juga dekat
dengan pejabat kepolisian Jakarta yakni mantan Kapolda Mentrojaya, Mayjen
Pol Noegroho Djajoesman. FPI juga dekat dengan orang-orang di seputar
Jendral TNI (Purn) Soeharto. Di masa Letjen TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto
masih aktif di TNI, FPI (begitu juga KISDI) adalah salah satu binaan
menantu Soeharto itu. Namun, setelah Prabowo jatuh, FPI kemudian cenderung
mendekati kelompok Jendral Wiranto yang uniknya, saat ini, tengah
bermusuhan dengan kelompok Prabowo. Inilah keunikan lembaga itu. Namun,
dari dua hal itu bisa ditarik kesimpulan bahwa FPI memang memilih
mendekati kelompok militer yang kuat yang bisa diajak bekerjasama dalam
perebutan pengaruh politik.

Sejumlah aksi FPI yang mendukung tentara misalnya: aksi tandingan
melawan aksi mahasiswa menentang RUU Keadaan Darurat yang diajukan Mabes
TNI, 24 Oktober 1999. Ratusan milisi FPI bersenjata pedang dan golok
hendak menyerang mahasiswa yang bertahan di sekitar Jembatan Semanggi,
Jakarta Pusat, namun bisa dicegah polisi. Aksi kedua ketika ratusan milisi
FPI yang selalu berpakaian putih-putih itu menyatroni Kantor Komisi
Nasional Hak Asasi Manusia (Komnas HAM), memprotes pemeriksaan Jendral
Wiranto dan kawan-kawan oleh KPP HAM. Milisi FPI yang datang ke kantor
Komnas HAM dengan membawa pedang dan golok itu bahkan menuntut lembaga itu
dibubarkan karena dianggap lancang memeriksa para jendral itu.

Berikut struktur organisasi FPI dan orang-orang yang menduduki
jabatan dalam struktur dari organisasi yang dikenal tertutup itu.

DEWAN PIMPINAN PUSAT-FRONT PEMBELA ISLAM (FPI) PERIODE 1998-2003

Ketua Majelis Syura: KH Muhammad Amin Syarbini, membawahi
Para Ketua Dewan yang terdiri dari ;
1. Ketua Dewan Syari'at: Al-Habib Ali bin Sahil
2. Ketua Dewan Kehormatan: KH Muhammad Munif
3. Ketua Dewan Pembina: KH Ma'shum Hasan
4. Ketua Dewan Penasihat: KH Mahmud Sempur
5. Ketua Dewan Pengawas: KH Al-Habib Sholeh Al-Habsyi

Para Ketua dewan ini menjadi penasihat dan pengawas organisasi,
mereka memberi masukan pada Ketua Umum FPI: Al-Habib Muhammad Rizieq Syihab
Lc dan Sekretaris Jendral FPI: KH drs Misbahul Anam.

Sekjen FPI membawahi bidang:
1. Ketua Hukum Front: Ust TB Abdurrahman SH, MA
2. Ketua Investigasi Front: Ust TB M. Sidiq AR
3. Ketua Badan Ahli Front: Prof DR Habib Segaf Mahdi
4. Ketua Badan Pengkaderan Front: Ust Reza Pahlevi ZA, S.Ag
5. Ketua Badan Anti Ma'siat Front: Ust Drs Siroj Alwi
6. Ketua Badan Anti Kekerasan Front: KH TB Entus Hasanuddin

Ketua Investigasi Front bertugas mencari informasi, bahkan acapkali
menyusupi aksi-aksi mahasiswa dan kampus untuk melihat dan memetakan
tokoh-tokoh mahasiswa dan kelompok demonstran.

Ketua Badan Anti Maksiat Front adalah 'avant garde' FPI. Badan Anti
Maksiat Front terlibat dalam sejumlah aksi, terutama sejak kasus kerusuhan
Ketapang dan maraknya demo serta gerakan anti terhadap tempat-tempat yang
dikategorikan oleh mereka sebagai tempat maksiat.

Sedangkan Ketua Umum FPI, yang biasa dikenal dengan panggilan Habib
Rizieq Shihab dalam struktur organisasi dibantu oleh Ketua I, II dan III,
yang masing-masing adalah:

Ketua I adalah KH Drs Salim Nashir membawahi
1. Ketua Dept Agama: KH. Drs Munif Ahmad
2. Ketua Dept Luar Negeri: Ust Drs Hasanuddin
3. Ketua Dept Dalam Negeri: Ust Drs Ahmad Sobri Lubis
4. Ketua Dept Bela Negara dan Jihad: Ust Drs Hasanuddin

Ketua II adalah KH Drs Oman Syahroni membawahi
1. Ketua Dept SosPolHuk: KH Drs Syarillah Asfari
2. Ketua Dept Dikbud: KH Al-Habib Muhsin Ahmad Alattas. Lc
3. Ketua Dept Ekuin: Ust Selamet Ma'arif, S. Ag, SE
4. Ketua Dept Ristek: Prof DR Ir Saerul Alam MSc

Ketua III adalah Al-Habib Abdurrahman Al-Khirid membawahi
1. Ketua Dept Pangan: KH Drs Zainuddin Ali Al-Ghozali
2. Ketua Dept Kesra: KH Drs Nurzaini Suanda
3. Ketua Dept Penerangan: Drs. Iskandar Trilaksono
4. Ketua Dept Kewanitaan: Ust. Dra Nailah Balahmar
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Old March 31st, 2007, 02:21 PM   #19
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Bring the extremist organisations to the court as they are against the constitution?

I do believe that the common threat for not only Indonesia but also the world
is religious extremism. When there was the 'red scare', the Western world and Asia were united against the communists.
Now at this moment we need to united against the religious extremists.

This is the reason why communism is no imminent threat to Indonesia anymore. Not communist but religious extremist commited artocitiesLet's give you an example:
  • Who commited the kerusahan in Provinsi Maluku?
  • Who commited the kerusuhun in Poso?
  • Who closed bar's and other venue's multiple time's in Yogyakarta?
  • Who closed bar's and other venue's multiple time's in Jakarta?
  • Who commited the Bali bombings in 2002?
  • Who commited the Jakarta Marriot bombings 2003?
  • Who commited the Jakarta Australian Embassy bombing in 2004?
  • Who commited the Bali bombings in 2005?
  • Who destroyed the US Embassy?
  • Who attacked and injured members of the Ahmadiyah?
  • Who destroyed the old Banyan tree during the construction of the TransJakarta in 2006
  • Who recently attacked and injured members of a political party?

This is all clear that organisations like Laskar Jihad, Jemaah Islamiya, Front Pembela Islam, Pemuda Persatuan Islam commited the crime's not only against Indonesian civilians.

The actions of the extreme organisations:
Are against the unity of the Republic of Indonesia.
Are a threat against all religions including Islam.
Damaged the image of the Republic of Indonesia.
And they also heavily damaged the Islamic religion.


All the above mentioned atrocities are against the Pancasila (read this exerpt from the Pancasila)

"Just and civilized humanity (Kemanusiaan yang Adil dan Beradab)
This principle requires that human beings be treated with due regard to their dignity as God’s creatures. It emphasizes that the Indonesian people do not tolerate physical or spiritual oppression of human beings by their own people or by any other nation"

Ofcourse during Orde Baru crimes were also commited by the ABRI but now with Indonesia being a recognised democracy these crimes are mainly from the past now.

The unity of Indonesia (Persatuan Indonesia)
This principle embodies the concept of nationalism, of love for one’s nation and motherland. It envisages the need to always foster national unity and integrity. Pancasila nationalism demands that Indonesians avoid feelings of superiority on the grounds of ethnicity, for reasons of ancestry and skin color. In 1928 Indonesian youth pledged to have one country, one nation and one language, while the Indonesian coat of arms enshrines the symbol of "Bhinneka Tunggal Ika" which means "unity in diversity".


To be short FPI, Laskar Jihad and Jemaah Islamiyah do pose a real threat for us all.
But also for foreign investment, economic growth. And the development of a democratic secular state.
There are no other domestic organisations, political parties who commited such a range of brutal crimes.

But can we sue the organisations or bring them to the court? Or can the Badan Intelijen Negara or Kopassus do something against them?
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FPI in no way represents Islam... Islam in Indonesia Islam in the world.
Like FBR are no way representing Betawi people, even FBR leader is not Betawi.
Agree on you ....

FPI simply put a powerful ashame upon Indonesian islamic society..... But, somehow most of the media gak bisa menerima that FPI indeed didnt represent Islam (the real islam).... another problem to be think about....

Indonesia deserves the best for them, let they choose what best for them....

FPI..... ke laut aja dehhhh .....

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