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Old June 26th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #321
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I'm mates with the Conservation Officer at Salford and he is very very precious about Greengate but even he likes this scheme. He is usually quite conservative by nature.
That says something if you ask me.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 08:55 PM   #322
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Disappointing that they can be so spot on with chapel wharf and so ignorant about this. The only explanation for CABE’s dogged insistence that this area is unsuitable for tall buildings is that they are basing their opinion on an outdated view of the context; oblivious or not relating the proposed developments nearby to this site. Gateway point from the north, convergence point of the two cities, close to a major transport hub, it ticks all the perceived wisdom boxes on where a tower should be. Would be a double tragedy if Salford listen to CABE on this while ignoring them on Chapel Wharf.
Exactly my sentiments. I feel sorry for Arca. They've produced what appears to be a really well considered scheme, the basic form of which has been dictated by a previously consented masterplan for the area. As far as I can see the scheme does address both the river and public space well and the quantun of development is in fact accommodated quite comfortably with the combination of well designed and separate tower and podium blocks and logical publci routes through the site.

It seems Salford City Council have made a rod for their own back in ignoring CABE's well reasoned criticism of what is by common consent an absolutely dreadful scheme at Chapel Wharf. CABE's comments on Canopus Greengate are unreasonably harsh in my view - perhaps demonstrated by lack of substantial justification in their report.

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Old June 26th, 2007, 09:14 PM   #323
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I suppose CABE just want to be seen to be consistent perhaps?
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Old June 26th, 2007, 09:16 PM   #324
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You're saying they're consistently inconsistent?
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Old June 26th, 2007, 09:18 PM   #325
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You're saying they're consistently inconsistent?
Yup!
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Old June 28th, 2007, 02:36 PM   #326
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My perception is that CABE are pretty quick to say they don't like a highrise. In my view they overstep their brief in some areas and miss it in others. They're basically saying they don't want any highrise here. What's that got to do with the built environment? Not much. Not enough. They should be looking at how highrise can free up land for public open space. A preponderence of hulking squat site-filler lowrise can make the urban built environment a poorer place. Bah, look at their website. it's full of business park stuff.

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Old June 28th, 2007, 04:54 PM   #327
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I don't really understand it. I mean there's a highrise directly opposite it, tempus? In fact the whole area, after greengate and chapel wharf will be full of them. Maybe not having a tower there will look out of place.
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Old June 28th, 2007, 05:38 PM   #328
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"what's the hold up?" "Give us a clue!" "what's the hold up?" "Give us a clue!"
"what's the hold up?" "Give us a clue!" "what's the hold up?" "Give us a clue!"
"what's the hold up?" "Give us a clue!" "what's the hold up?" "Give us a clue!"

I could go on, but you get the point.
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Old June 28th, 2007, 10:20 PM   #329
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The problem is BSC hold up themselves and they haven't got a clue. Sarah where are you, Sarah where are you.......The council are probably holding out for some evidence of output in other projects. The projected timescale for Greengate is only 10 - 15 years for ****s sake.
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The problem is BSC hold up themselves and they haven't got a clue. Sarah where are you, Sarah where are you.......The council are probably holding out for some evidence of output in other projects. The projected timescale for Greengate is only 10 - 15 years for ****s sake.
Sarah's on its way up. Find the thread!
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Old June 28th, 2007, 10:57 PM   #331
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All of BSC's projects, apart from Greengate, are now under construction.
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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:24 PM   #332
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All of BSC's projects, apart from Greengate, are now under construction.
Compare that to Ask who haven't go any projects under construction yet.(apart from Urmston) I'm about to vent my spleen about them very soon.

Central Spine, Clippers Quay, Tom Garner site, Castlefield Quay, Exchange Greengate,(plans just approved) warehouse/site opposite Axis/Deansgate Locks/Whitworth Street West.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 11:17 PM   #333
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Old July 31st, 2007, 11:21 PM   #334
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B4mmy, can you change the title of the thread, since we're getting 46 & 31 storey towers! Ta!
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Old July 31st, 2007, 11:40 PM   #335
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Application went in today for the new bridge and what have you.
Cant be bothered to find either the application or the 'Greengate' thread.
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They built a little hut out of breeze blocks on the other side, it took them about 3 days to do that so i am not hopeful about Canopus.
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The hold up is a disintegrating economic climate for city centre residential development. Rather like Eastgate/Picadilly I cannot see this being built in the current economic cycle.

And that is not trolling or anything like that it's just my sober opinion!
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you better hope it doesn't apply to Liverpool then, especially with King Eddie and Shanghai on the cards!
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you better hope it doesn't apply to Liverpool then, especially with King Eddie and Shanghai on the cards!
My exact thoughts Chogs.
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Being realistic I'd say it applies to Liverpool too. The one thing Liverpool has going for it over Manchester in the upcoming turndown in the economy is a bigger tourist industry and less reliance on very disposable service jobs. This of course won't make much difference to whether or not these big towers get built.
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