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There is currently talk of a new 60,000 seat multi-purpose stadium at Kitchner Park, a redevelopment to the W.A.C.A. Ground up to 30,000 seats with the inclusion of 4 towers, and also a rectangular stadium, whether that be an upgrade to Members Equity Stadium or a new one at another site is yet unknown.

Proposals
W.A.C.A. Ground
http://www.waca.com.au/news/detail.asp?offset=50&ID=745










WACA GROUND REDEVELOPMENT Q&A

What does this mean for the future of the WACA Ground?
Under this proposed redevelopment the WACA Ground will be transformed into a world class 30,000 seat cricket venue as well as being home to two residential towers, two office blocks and a retail and entertainment precinct.

Where will cricket be played under this proposal?
This proposal enables all cricket, both domestic and international, to be played at the WACA Ground.

• What about the new stadium or a redeveloped Subiaco Oval?
The 30,000 capacity proposed for this redevelopment will cater for the majority of cricket fixtures however the WACA will consider moving blockbuster matches such as a Twenty20 international against England or a 2015 World Cup match to a new stadium or a redeveloped Subiaco Oval should either of these occur.

• What will the capacity of the WACA Ground be with this proposal?
The WACA Ground will be able to hold 30,000 people which is some 2000 more than the capacity at Lords.

• What corporate facilities will there be with this proposal?
The corporate facilities of the WACA Ground will be significantly upgraded with approximately 80 corporate boxes to be built in the new stand on the northern side of the ground. The number of function rooms and facilities are yet to be finalised.

• Where is the funding coming from for the project?
This project will be financially backed by Ascot Capital Limited, a property development company. The State Government will be approached for some comparatively modest support to upgrade the lighting facilities at the redeveloped ground for the benefit of neighbouring residents and to create a Centre for Cricket Excellence at The University of Western Australia’s Sports Park in Floreat as the development would take our entire existing training facilities at the WACA Ground.

• Who is Ascot Capital Limited?
Ascot Capital is a global property investment and development house which has developed approximately 150,000m2 of offices, 200,000m2 of industrial space and 100,000m2 of retail space, in Australia, United Kingdom and South Africa. It has recently purchased the lease on Jandakot Airport and is in the process of developing 160 hectares of office, warehouse and distribution facilities.

• Will it be a noose around the WACA’s neck like the last redevelopment in 2002?
No, it will be quite the opposite. The proposed project is expected to generate a long term revenue stream which will help to ensure the Association is financially viable into the future.

• Have you sold the WACA?
No. The title to the stadium remains with the WACA. The balance, namely the offices and the towers, will be held with the joint venture.

• What time frame will this project be completed in?
Subject to zoning approvals the entire redevelopment is expected to take three to four years.

• Will there be any interruption to cricket fixtures at the WACA Ground during this time?
No. Development will not affect the playing arena.

• Who has been briefed about the proposed redevelopment?
The WACA has had discussions with the Premier, Government and Opposition representatives and departmental heads, the Major Stadia Taskforce as well as the East Perth Redevelopment Authority and Trinity College to brief them on the proposed redevelopment.

• Will Government support be required?
Yes. A major issue will be the zoning required. The residential towers would need to be some 17 storeys for the project to be viable. This height is in alignment with the Raffles development and could be favourably compared to the 25 storey towers earmarked for along the Marina in the Riverside project.

• What is the proposed Centre for Cricket Excellence?
Part of the redevelopment proposal requires the existing practice facilities (both indoor and outdoor) at the WACA Ground to be removed. These therefore need to be replaced and we have been working on a proposal to relocate them to a state of the art facility at The University of Western Australia’s Sports Park in Floreat. The WACA Administration could also be relocated there.

• What does it cost and what’s in it for the WACA?
$250m provided by the developers. A long term revenue stream, new northern grandstands and an increase in capacity to 30,000.




Perth's Multi-purpose Stadium
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/index.php?id=1

Development Timeline

Since the latest State Election this porject and come into deep trouble and is looking unlikely to be built.

Planning for Perth's new, multi-purpose stadium is already underway.

Because Perth Stadium is such a large and complex undertaking, the important planning phase will take two to three years prior to the staged construction starting in 2011. During this period the Project Team will work closely with all stakeholders, including the Subiaco Redevelopment Authority and the Subiaco City Council, to prepare the site for development.

Construction will occur in two stages. The existing oval will remain in operation with a capacity of around 40,000 seats while the new stadium is being built adjacent on Kitchener Park. In 2014 the new stadium will host its first AFL games. The old Subiaco Oval will then be demolished and the last 20,000 seats of the new stadium built and parkland developed.

When the stadium is fully completed in time for the 2016 football season it will have a total capacity of 60,000 seats.












current Subiaco Oval


Stage 1 of new stadium


Stage 2 of new stadium


Final Development of new Stadium



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WAFC in cash hunt to rebuild Subi Oval
MARK DUFFIELD and ROBERT TAYLOR

The WA Football Commission is poised to push ahead with an ambitious plan to redevelop Subiaco Oval to hold at least 50,000 in the wake of the State Government's indefinite shelving of the $1.1 billion stadium project.

The WAFC has begun "sounding out" government representatives on a range of funding options for the project, including part-private, part-public arrangements or government guarantees for private investors or lenders.

The State Government has said it would not look at the multi-purpose stadium project for at least two years and all sports are now sceptical that the stadium will be built. Premier Colin Barnett favours a gradual rebuilding of Subiaco Oval.

Treasurer Troy Buswell left the door open this week, saying: "The Government is always willing to listen to alternative ideas and approaches for getting the stadium plan off the ground."

Western Force has committed to play at Members Equity from next year. Funding at least part of Rugby WA and the Town of Vincent's proposed $75 million upgrade of the rectangular stadium has some support in the Government.

WAFC chairman Neale Fong said that with cricket committed to staying at the WACA Ground, football could not sit still for two years hoping that the Government would change its mind.

"We are talking to the Government and people in the private sector about possible options," Dr Fong said. "It really comes down to a matter of funding for a staged rebuild."

But he made it clear football would not be happy running second to rugby in a funding battle. "If the Government were to pour $40 million into Members Equity Stadium without consideration to football that would be outrageous," he said.

"Have we a final proposal? No. We are exploring all options. about a funding model where footy pays its way."

Although the final proposal will depend on what, if any, State Government support was available, any redevelopment would include the replacement of the 40-year-old three-tier stand at the western end of the ground. Replacement of the 30-year-old two-tier stand alongside it would also be a high priority.

The WAFC will consider putting third tiers on top of the 10-year-old two-tier stands in other. areas of the ground, with a focus on re-vamped and upgraded entrance areas and toilets, bar and catering facilities to bring it up to modern standards.



Member's Equity Stadium

http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/stad...n.html?page=-1

Stadium upgrade could be done in 18 months, claims mayor
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* January 28, 2009 - 7:58AM


The state government will consider plans to upgrade Members Equity Stadium. Photo: Town of Vincent

Despite a global financial crisis, a player mutiny and another stadium in Perth demanding a billion dollars of government funds, Mayor of Vincent Nick Catania has boldly predicted the Western Force could have a new home, seating 25,000, within 18 months.

Force fans sent a massive message to the state's sporting and political leaders last Friday, with around 18,000 packing Members Equity Stadium for a trial game against the Crusaders, despite most of the side's international stars sitting the game out.

The timing of the sellout was perfect for the club, who had used the fixture to lobby the state government on plans to increase capacity from 18,000 to 25,000 - if Colin Barnett's administration accepts a $75 million redevelopment proposal.

And unveiling plans for a three-tier grandstand on the eastern side of the ground, Catania told gathered dignitaries, including state and federal MPs, that if the money was there, his council would deliver the upgrade in a year and a half - if the state government came to the party.

"Anyone who has dealt with it will know when we say we will deliver we do, and we intend to deliver 25,144 seats with the help of the state government," Catania said.

"With the proper management of funds we can ensure no burden is placed on government, we can create about 200 jobs on site and about 1,000 jobs off site, and that helps in tough economic times.

"We can help, sport, help the community and help the economy by creating immediate jobs.

"And you may not believe that (we can finish it in 18 months) but we built the original in about 11 months and had it open in 15. We will deliver."

Such is Force fan dissatisfaction with Subiaco Oval, RugbyWA's board has already committed to move to Members Equity next season, despite it being too small for expected crowds, and not having corporate or media facilities needed for Super 14.

The Force believe they need a revamped rectangular stadium to secure their place in the WA sporting landscape - and the Super 14 competition - with the Victorian Government forging ahead with a $275 million project ahead of an expected aggressive bid for a Super 14 franchise.

"This is something the fans and the supporters are demanding, and is needed to ensure the future growth and development of rugby in this state," RugbyWA chairman Geoff Stooke said.

"We strongly believe Perth needs and serves a quality rectangular stadium for rugby union, soccer and rugby league.

"And it should be remembered that Melbourne has the MCG, Telstra Dome and they are currently spending $275m on a rectangular stadium adjacent to the MCG - for a Storm rugby league team which averages crowds of less than 10,000 and no representative rugby union team.

"They are suffering like every other state and commonwealth in regards funding … but the Victorian government has decided to spend, and hopefully our government sees it the same way."

Sports minister Terry Waldron said he would be speaking to premier Barnett and treasurer Troy Buswell about the proposals this week - but would need much more detail before a decision is made.

"We recognise there is a need for a new stadium … but with the current world conditions the government is considering all infrastructure over $20 million," Waldron said.

"We will look at the proposal put forward, and it will be considered along with the other infrastructure projects.

"If government were going to consider to Member's Equity Stadium, we will still be looking for quite a lot more detail than what we were given the other day.

"We have got no details of costings, and if government was to spend money there we have got make sure the i's are dotted and t's crossed. But we are not going to turn a blind eye."

Waldron said a decision on the Subiaco development would have to be made by the time the May budget came down - and a delay of that project could mean the plans for the former Perth Oval could still be considered.

"Everyone is assuming (the Subiaco Oval redevelopment) is not going ahead - that decision has not been made yet," Waldron told radio 6PR.

"If that stadium was delayed, I have been keen to look at what could happen at Members Equity Stadium because I am very cogniscent of the needs of rugby and soccer.

"With the possibility of it being delayed you may look at what else you could do in the meantime."




Under Construction Projects
AK Reserve (Athletics, Basketball, Rugby)

http://www.akreserve.com.au/

The State Government is developing new sporting facilities for Western Australia through the construction of a new basketball stadium, athletics stadium and rugby facility at AK Reserve in accordance with the State Sporting Facilities Plan. The project is being delivered in partnership by the Department of Sport and Recreation and the Department of Housing and Works.

The project will provide world-class sporting facilities for all Western Australians, from community level to major national events.

The three new facilities will replace the dilapidated facilities at nearby Perry Lakes. They also add to the existing facilities at Challenge Stadium and UWA Sports Park (McGillivray Oval), creating a major new sporting precinct for Perth. As part of the project, an east-west bush corridor link will be retained to protect and provide for local fauna.

The sporting facilities, which are now under construction, include:

* a tailored athletics stadium with a 2000 seat grandstand and grassed banking with a total capacity of 10,000 spectators, office accommodation for Athletics WA and the capacity to host state and national events
* the stadium will meet International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) requirements
* a basketball facility with eight courts, including a 2000 seat showcourt, and office space for local clubs and Basketball WA
* rugby playing facilities with a grandstand, office accommodation for Rugby WA and some training facilities for the Western Force team











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Facts to support your claims Aux? On this topic, I think you are letting your love of the world game cloud your judgment on the growth propsects of AFL in Aus.

Oh and thanks for linking the new thread at the end of the old one Docker, much easier that way
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i will try and bring in some updates for the AK Reserve, seeming i work right next door
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Very very impressed by the Perry Lakes works. Such a big step up from the existing facilities.

Will certainly be a benifit for athletes and hopefully a suitable home for the Force and Basketball.
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Very very impressed by the Perry Lakes works. Such a big step up from the existing facilities.

Will certainly be a benifit for athletes and hopefully a suitable home for the Force and Basketball.
Me too. I can't wait to see the Basketball stadium.

But seriously, Labor didn't do anything for us.
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Can't wait to have a closer look at the athletics when it opens. Obviously still a way to go on the basketball. It will be a nice little sports area.
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cant ******* wait to run there.
this weekend is the second last week of comp ever at perry lakes. doubles as the state champs this week and next week. if anyone wants to come and watch me destroy a 3k field, get down there sunday 9.15am, or the 5k next friday at 7pm
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While we are on sports stadiums in the western suburbs has there been any recent news on Lords?

Its been in closing down stages for a few years now but hasn't actually shut.
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While we are on sports stadiums in the western suburbs has there been any recent news on Lords?

Its been in closing down stages for a few years now but hasn't actually shut.
Last I heard, it was going to be reopened by the council.

EDIT: No quite right, the council is thinking about reopening it.
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The other outdoor stadium
* March 8, 2009 - 12:41PM

When will Perth ever get a new sports stadium? Well actually, we get one next month, as Tim Clarke discovered in an exclusive preview tour.

It might not have the cachet, or controversy, of the long debated, long awaited replacement for Subiaco Oval, but the $73.3 million AK Reserve - the new home of WA's elite track athletes, basketball and rugby - is set to open on schedule in April.

WA's Department of Sport and Recreation granted WAtoday.com.au exclusive access to the site, where the new 12-lane, 10,000 capacity athletics facility will be finished within weeks.

The eight court basketball complex is also taking shape, and should open for players to dribble and shoot in October.

The facility is the replacement for the crumbling Perry Lakes, which has slowly deteriorated since it was built to house the Empire Games in 1962.

While that edifice won't entirely disappear until the sports administrators who currently reside there relocate to their new home, the athletic facility is building up to hosting schools events next month, with Athletics Australia consulted about a launch event soon after.

Rob Thomson, spokesperson the Department of Sport and Recreation, said the project was two years in the planning and eight months less than that in the construction.

"We have flown under the radar, but we should be finished on time and on budget," he said.

As well as the two arenas being built simultaneously, the project also involves a massive underground rainwater tank, which will allow the site to become almost aqua self-sufficient.

Underground parking for more than 100 cars will compliment more than 100 more above ground, while the facility will be surrounded by local fauna to give the impression of a boutique stadium in the bush.

The new facilities will join the sports precinct which is already home to Challenge Stadium, the Western Australian Institute of Sport and UWA Sports Park.

But the project has not been without its issues, with new headquarters planned for the Western Force thrown into doubt by significant budgeting increases to clear the old tip the site will sit on.

The site has now been shifted away from the former Brockway Road tip, with the design due to be released in the coming weeks, and put out for public consultation. Construction is hoped to be completed by early next year.

The landfill site originally earmarked for the RugbyWA HQ is now planned to become playing fields.
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The no worries World Cup

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March 12, 2009

THE "No Worries" World Cup — that is the simple idea driving Australia's pursuit of the largest prize in world sport. After a tender process involving submissions from 50 companies, a handful have been selected to drive Australia's proposal — bankrolled to the tune of $46 million by the Federal Government.

At the forefront will be the people who have created and sold some of the world's largest brands, aided by the company that has put together the past two winning World Cup bids. It is some team. Alongside it will be the man who created the internet marketing campaign that transformed a pointy-headed bureaucrat into loveable Queenslander Kevin 07.

"We are delighted to have these people aboard. All are leaders in their field," Football Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley said yesterday.

"The bid will portray Australia as a place that is fun and easy to visit but that also has the experience and organisational know-how to run a major event. Focus will be placed on the friendly and welcoming nature of Australians and the multicultural make-up of the nation's cities."

The relaxed comfort of holidaying in Australia will be contrasted against more "difficult" environments such as England, Russia and Qatar, while a track record in running and organising major events without hiccup will be pitted against the credentials of rival bidder Spain.

An official launch is planned for May and leading Australians, such as sport stars, actors, politicians, musicians and business leaders, will be asked to act as celebrity ambassadors.

LOGO
FutureBrand, an international company based in Melbourne, will design the bid's "visual identity" — marketing speak for the logo and associated colour schemes and imagery. This is known as "the look and feel of the campaign". Futurebrand has done similar work for Tourism Australia, creating "brand Australia" to market the nation overseas as a holiday destination. The company was not behind the maligned "Where the bloody hell are you?" campaign and its strategies have been widely credited for raising the country's profile. The firm has also created high-profile brand campaigns for BHP Billiton, ANZ and Coca-Cola, and runs the Country Brand Index, which examines and rates the reputation of nations across the globe using traveller surveys and market research to gauge how each country is regarded. Australia has been rated the most desirable country for foreigners to visit, topping the survey for the past three years.

CREATIVE THEME
Responsibility for creating the slogan and associated "taglines" that are used to define and promote the bid, as well as capturing its themes, has been entrusted to Australia's largest advertising and communications firm, STW Group.

Creative control will fall to Neil Lawrence — the creator of the Kevin 07 campaign. His team will be charged with creating a grass-roots movement in support of the cup bid, and using the bid website — to be designed and built by Melbourne firm DT Digital — to recruit ambassadors from the general public and create popular culture "buzz" around the bid. It is a similar approach to that used by US President Barack Obama and Rudd to build broad-based support online and will take advantage of cyber methods such as YouTube and Facebook.

STW's brief is that bid themes should be youth oriented and focused on the diversity of the Australian community. The "No Worries" idea, which promotes Australia as a trouble-free destination where complex events are run well, is a guiding principle.

"Both Future Brand and STW Group have demonstrated their ability to inspire Australians to support national campaigns," Buckley said.

STADIUMS
A consortium will carry out detailed work around infrastructure planning, architectural design and stadium modifications required for a successful bid. It will assess what changes are needed to existing stadiums and what new facilities would have to be built to meet FIFA bid criteria. This group includes HOK Sport Architecture and Cox Architects & Planning — already responsible for the redevelopment of Suncorp Stadium and design of the new Wembley and Swan Street stadiums.

For Melbourne, the new Swan Street stadium, which is under construction, would need to be expanded from its current capacity of 32,000 to seat 40,000. Small changes, mostly improvements to corporate facilities, also would be needed at the MCG, which would expect to host larger-drawing matches, including a semi-final and, possibly, final.

Planning is also required for the event "precinct" around match venues. Located between the two stadiums, Melbourne Park would be the preferred location for a massive media and broadcasting centre to host the world's press.

FIFA will not release its stadium criteria for the 2018 and 2022 bids until next month. Only then will nations bidding for the event know how many venues are needed. The current criteria requires at least 10 compliant venues. These would most likely be drawn from a possible pool, including Brisbane's Suncorp Stadium, the Gold Coast's Skilled Park or Carrara, the redeveloped Energy Australia Stadium in Newcastle, the Sydney Football Stadium, ANZ Stadium, Canberra Stadium, MCG, Swan Street Stadium and new venues in Adelaide and Perth. Launceston's Aurora Stadium is also under consideration.

State governments would be required to foot the bill for new facilities or stadium refurbishments. Buckley is meeting with all state premiers to inform them of the changes likely to be needed.


THE GERMANS
Abold — the German firm responsible for preparing the "bid book" for the German and South African bids — will perform the same role for Australia, compiling the information required by FIFA's executive committee and using it to create a slick expression of Australia's credentials that will be the official bid document. The German firm has also created winning bid books for the 2011 women's World Cup and 2009 and 2010 club World Cups. The firm has unparalleled experience in presenting documents that win favour with FIFA. Significantly for Australia, Abold has been signed to an exclusivity deal. No other bidder may use the company's services to prepare any aspect of its bid for the 2018 or 2022 World Cups. "They have a demonstrable record of success with FIFA tournaments and other major events, and we are very excited to have them as part of the team," Buckley said.
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Only one stadium can be used in Sydney or Melbourne.



I seriously don't like our chances for 2018 but you never know.
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I think the general understanding is that 2018 will go to a European nation (England or Russia) while Australia is the front runner for 2022 with the US.

I remember reading that ANZ Stadium could be sold as part of the City of Parramatta, while the football stadium is in the City of Sydney (or South Sydney, i forget). Thus is seperate "cities" allowing for Melbourne to have two venues.
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I seriously don't like our chances for 2018 but you never know.

FIFA rules are made to be broken or bent. In any case one city is allowed two stadia in the same city.

The classification of what is a city is a bit vague. At WC06 Gelsenkirchen and Dortmund were separate cities in a single urban area and were considered separate cities. If The Netherlands hosted a WC they'd have trouble given the two largest cities are effectively part of one urban area.
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I think the general understanding is that 2018 will go to a European nation (England or Russia) while Australia is the front runner for 2022 with the US.

I remember reading that ANZ Stadium could be sold as part of the City of Parramatta, while the football stadium is in the City of Sydney (or South Sydney, i forget). Thus is seperate "cities" allowing for Melbourne to have two venues.
Ok I understand that GC and Brisvegas are seperate but Bitch Please, Parramatta and Sydney???

I would like to put forward Subiaco and Perth Oval. Ones in Subi, the other in Perth. Booo Yahhhhhhhh!!!!!




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FIFA rules are made to be broken or bent. In any case one city is allowed two stadia in the same city.

The classification of what is a city is a bit vague. At WC06 Gelsenkirchen and Dortmund were separate cities in a single urban area and were considered separate cities. If The Netherlands hosted a WC they'd have trouble given the two largest cities are effectively part of one urban area.
Yeah very true point.

But point i was trying to make more or less is that by 'bending' these interpretations, its not going to help our bid.
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Race over for Perry Lakes as replacement nears completion




WA’s elite athletes have run their last race in the shadow of the dilapidated grandstand at Perry Lakes Stadium with a long-awaited replacement to be finished next month.

A new 10,000-capacity athletics facility in Floreat next to Challenge Stadium is only weeks from completion and represents part of the $73.4 million AK Reserve that will become WA’s track and field, basketball and rugby precinct.

The stadium will feature a 2000-seat grandstand, a 12-lane running track, lighting towers and grassed viewing areas sheltered by fixed shade sails. It will open on July 1.

An eight-court indoor basketball complex with a 2000-seat show court will complement the athletics arena and is due to be ready by October.

The construction of both arenas started in January last year and Department of Sport and Recreation project manager Rob Thomson said the development had flown under the radar amid heated debate about the future of Subiaco Oval.

He said the decision had been made not to match the 30,000 capacity for athletics offered at Perry Lakes, built for the 1962 Commonwealth Games.

“We’ve built a smaller boutique stadium that meets all the requirements of athletics plus the school groups and little athletics rather than going to the expense of building a dedicated athletics stadium for a oneoff Commonwealth Games type event, which may or may not happen,” he said.

Athletics WA will shift into the grandstand once it is completed while plans are under way for RugbyWA’s headquarters to be built next to the basketball complex.

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meh. so what happans if we do end up with commonwealth games ... build another one .. such smart ppl we have running this state ...
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meh. so what happans if we do end up with commonwealth games ... build another one .. such smart ppl we have running this state ...
yeah. because we really need a 60,000 seat athletics stadium. all that will happen is if we get a new stadium, they will drop a track in there. think before you post goran
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If it's any consolation we won't get the cwlth games in the near future. I don't even know whether the event will even be viable in this economic climate. As for Perry Lakes, it's nice but it's really a suburban sports complex for the schoolkids to enjoy (by world standards) as well as a training ground. Nothing more
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If it's any consolation we won't get the cwlth games in the near future. I don't even know whether the event will even be viable in this economic climate. As for Perry Lakes, it's nice but it's really a suburban sports complex for the schoolkids to enjoy (by world standards) as well as a training ground. Nothing more
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