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Old July 28th, 2015, 02:49 PM   #81
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So out of place
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Old July 28th, 2015, 04:23 PM   #82
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The site would make for a great mixed-use project with a hotel taking up a certain amount of floors and then residential taking up the rest. Or they have enough space to do two towers. The downtown area is in need of more moderate rate hotels and think this would be a great site. You have UT that would fill in the hotel rooms during graduation. TGH Healthplex would give it additional customers. And it's pretty much in walking distance of the convention center too.

It has been mentioned before on here, but Related is only interested in making a profit from this. They're not interested in leaving Tampa with a stunning development or what's best for the residents (who would really want to live on the south side of this across from Selmon?!?), they just want to make more than they spent and use that money to fund projects in Miami and South Florida.

We should just ban Related from building in Tampa for all I care, until they can show otherwise.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 05:02 PM   #83
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Not that it would result in anything, but we should write an open letter to Related, city council and the mayor expressing our level of discontent.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 05:05 PM   #84
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I guess that's why they haven't touched st.pete. But tbh I actually like the looks of this project it doesn't seem to be the typical mid rise they keep building or built mostly of wood. I like all the glass I'm sure it'll give the units a loft city like feel. Though some things need to be changed within the project.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #85
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Though some things need to be changed within the project.
Yeah, the location.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #86
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I heard about it. It might be online somewhere.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 06:55 PM   #87
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The site would make for a great mixed-use project with a hotel taking up a certain amount of floors and then residential taking up the rest. Or they have enough space to do two towers.
This site is almost 4.5 acres. That's the size of over 4 downtown blocks, like the one Skypoint sits on.

Even doing a single tower on a site this large in this location is a joke, unless they're setting aside like the entire back half of the lot along the river to be a public park.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 06:56 PM   #88
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Not that it would result in anything, but we should write an open letter to Related, city council and the mayor expressing our level of discontent.
We certainly will via URBN Tampa Bay.

As soon as this TBX stuff dies down next week, we're going to have the first URBN meeting. We have projects coming up on the city council's agenda that will require our attention.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #89
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I like the architecture a lot, I was anticipating something more like crescent bayshore but find this much more visually appealing. . but yeah the biggest thing is the underutilization of such a major lot. It would be like building a 12 story building on the trump site.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 08:08 PM   #90
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I actually like that they chose modern design, since I'd hate to see a faux historic/faux spanish or cookie cutter design.

But the concept totally sucks. Where is the riverwalk that was envisioned for West River? Where is riverfront dining? Why not more density?

I wonder why a Miami developer wants to trash Tampa with mediocre developments while they build enormeous, glitzy high rises in Miami?
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Old July 28th, 2015, 08:47 PM   #91
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I wonder why a Miami developer wants to trash Tampa with mediocre developments while they build enormeous, glitzy high rises in Miami?
I think the simple answer is because they can. Land values aren't high enough here to force developers into doing anything different. They can put up something quick and cheap and still walk away with a tidy profit.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 09:08 PM   #92
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Could there possibly have been a height restriction or agreement based on the T.V. Station's Tower which is right next to this property? Just curious as I can't see any reason this isn't going to be a high rise.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 09:27 PM   #93
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Damn who schooled the tampa's downtown fb 'progress' post? that was awesome.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 09:34 PM   #94
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I wonder if they have to provide parking for the remaining Trib Buildin and thus put it to the northwest and also keep that covered walkway?
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Old July 28th, 2015, 09:37 PM   #95
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^I think they don't 'have' to, but are going to, to try and make better use of all of the required parking they have to provide by code. In the submitted plans. they are only meeting minimum parking code, but that's still a whopping 800 spaces!

Media General parks dozens of cars on a surface lot to the north. Now they could park in this garage during the day, when many residents will surely not be at home, leaving spaces available.

What this makes me wonder is if Related is looking at those other parcels after all.


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I like the architecture a lot, I was anticipating something more like crescent bayshore but find this much more visually appealing. . but yeah the biggest thing is the underutilization of such a major lot. It would be like building a 12 story building on the trump site.
I think it's out of place for such a historic neighborhood.

I view this as a once-a-generation chance to tear down a hulking monstrosity that was only allowed to be developed on the river as it was, because it was proposed by what was then the most powerful media entity in the region. You crossed them, you had no political career.

We can't undo the Selmon, but we can undo the Trib and Media General buildings along the river, and we can conceal that Godawful power substation nearby.

Tear down Tampa Baptist Manor in a few years when it's worn out again and needs a major rehab, and get Grand Central extended though there to the river, and cross the river to Whiting with a ped bridge. I'm determined to get people to see this area for what it could be, not what bad decisions made it.



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Could there possibly have been a height restriction or agreement based on the T.V. Station's Tower which is right next to this property? Just curious as I can't see any reason this isn't going to be a high rise.
Good question.

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The TV station tower was something I questioned from the beginning on how much of an impact it would have on the height. If anyone could tell us, it's the city.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 11:00 PM   #98
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My thought was it might be part of the deal in the sale of the land not so much as zoning.
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...I think it's out of place for such a historic neighborhood...
There's nothing historic, or anything trying to blend in with a historic neighborhood, adjacent to this building on any side though so I don't really see the issue. Architecturally speaking I think it'll look cool from the east bank of the river right across from 115's retail/outdoor dining space.

And personally I've always been a sucker for mixing brick and glass buildings in a neighborhood anyway.

I guess the one thing I would say is the garage being on the north side of the project means it'll be highly visible from Grand Central etc. Wish it was on the south side for multiple reasons.
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A 2013 survey of the site posted to the city portal shows no easement along the river. Just a 10 foot setback.
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