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Old July 22nd, 2015, 03:16 AM   #21
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They're both fake obviously. And I wonder if the new one will get to a render (also fake).
Well one was proposed by a person who didn't select a property, recieved very little or no financing in his lifetime, and develops things other than towers while the other has been actively involved in office towers across the bay area and is proposing something reasonable for a selected site which has been suggested as a possible development location.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 03:22 AM   #22
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Well I hope you're right about that and the name "TRUMP" will not be on the top of it (Thank God). But I'm still doubtful. Tampa seems to be jinxed for big stuff.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 04:06 AM   #23
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^Captrust building is between this lot and Whiting/the park.
They own and are building a massive parking lot next door. They should ask for whiting while they consider this project -- get it and build the best retail spot on the Riverwalk out of their garage.

To do that though they would need to connect them. Which is something mentioned as a possibility on the design. I am saying if they are really building this thing, ask for the free land. They gave it to pierhouse for a "park" that now has AstroTurf instead of grass.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 04:14 AM   #24
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We know AER is going vertical sooner than later. And this tower on the
Trump site is prime for something special. And the mayor of Tampa would give his blessing
big time.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 05:49 AM   #25
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This is a project that I would accept to receive some type of tax breaks to make the likability of this happening even higher. Because they're embracing the Riverwalk and trying to add life to it, without the city having to ask.

Agree about Captrust Building as well, definitely needs to go. Maybe they cano be all the tenants from the Captrust building to the office space in this project and then tear it down.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 06:08 AM   #26
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^If/when AER and this are built this is what the skyline would look like from the NE. NOT TO SCALE, but kinda close.


Also remember there is the potential for the grant block building, if built, to been seen from the angle. There's also a small chance that you could see skyhouse to from that angle
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 06:48 AM   #27
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Damn. We've already got two pages of speculation and BS over a building that will never be built.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 07:28 AM   #28
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Damn. We've already got two pages of speculation and BS over a building that will never be built.


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Old July 22nd, 2015, 07:44 AM   #29
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They own and are building a massive parking lot next door. They should ask for whiting while they consider this project -- get it and build the best retail spot on the Riverwalk out of their garage.

To do that though they would need to connect them. Which is something mentioned as a possibility on the design. I am saying if they are really building this thing, ask for the free land. They gave it to pierhouse for a "park" that now has AstroTurf instead of grass.
I would oppose the Whiting piece being given away. They would have to pay a major premium for the city to give away one of very few places it can create another river crossing.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 02:18 PM   #30
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^If/when AER and this are built this is what the skyline would look like from the NE. NOT TO SCALE, but kinda close.

Nice Skyline....

Also, I can see when the Vinik development is complete, it will add some infill behind it so the skyline is less sparse...
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 04:50 PM   #31
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Personally if Captrust goes, I would rather see MacDill park expanded, especially if this project had a retail slip or two facing it.

I think it's here to stay though.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 07:54 PM   #32
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I agree. The City wants to connect the city better to the river. So the view corridor and open acces should stay. What could be done is turn whiting into an open plaza between 2 buildings and install a glass ceiling or something like that.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 07:55 PM   #33
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from the times....

http://www.tampabay.com/news/busines...-tampa/2238156

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One potential hurdle could be the foundation. Trump Tower Tampa developers initially had pilings sunk, only to discover that those couldn't support the weight of a 52-story building on the site. They then started to lay a concrete mat foundation, causing delays that ran up the cost of the project and contributed to its demise
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It mentions some of the foundation problems they had the first time. I remember following it closely but don't remember this. I knew there were issues, but thought they were fixed or "fixable". I remember Mr. Dag saying it had to be done right or it would be a leaning tower.

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According to the preliminary plans, the tower would be 626 feet high, taller than any other in Tampa Bay but close enough to the 603-foot height originally approved that it would not need a zoning change.
They would need to beg, plead or even bribe to get that height.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 07:58 PM   #34
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IMHO, apart from Vinik, the sites of Trump, 610 Franklin, and Twelve are the most important to be filled to kick downtown up a notch.
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The foundation is not at all an issue.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 08:06 PM   #36
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I agree. The City wants to connect the city better to the river. So the view corridor and open acces should stay. What could be done is turn whiting into an open plaza between 2 buildings and install a glass ceiling or something like that.
Well Whiting is north of Captrust. This project and Captrust are on the same block if you will.

The site plan shows a possible subterranean vehicle access between the two properties. I would think they could plan to have Captrust parking in this building, and then add retail to the ground floor of Captrust.

I'm not sure they would build a tower on Captrust simply because it would block the views of this building especially since it's sandwiched all the way right up to Captrust.

Or they could have parking in this building for a larger project on the Captrust lot which may be difficult to build a lot of parking on for a project of any significant size...
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 08:22 PM   #37
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They would need to beg, plead or even bribe to get that height.
Why? An increase of 23' hardly seems significant.
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Why? An increase of 23' hardly seems significant.
TTT was chopped down like a whole 12 feet back in the day.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 08:47 PM   #39
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The foundation is not at all an issue.
Good to know. I don't remember the concrete mat thing or how expensive it was. And SimDag may have been using that as an excuse when they were buying time.
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The ultimate fluff piece:

3 reasons the 52-story tower proposed for downtown Tampa could succeed — and 3 reasons it may fail

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/...-downtown.html
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