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Old May 5th, 2009, 01:03 AM   #61
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Yeah, I think it looks pretty good. Looks better then the Towers at Channelside, but of course that's not hard to do.

Looks better then the older Martin design as well.

One thing to note, as you can see in the first rendering the towers look a little bit different. Notice the southern face of each building

This project will cover much of that ugly parking garage in Grand Central that faces North, along with hopefully the A/C units on top of Grand Central from the North.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 01:25 AM   #62
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I kinda agree about the cantilever look... I think the cantilever effect should either continue to the ground on the north side, or not be there at all.

I also wish the whole mass was comprised of two taller, thinner towers (along the N/S axis) so that this thing doesn't look like a cartoonish 450x300ft slab from afar from most vantage points.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 06:29 PM   #63
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crap - they should be farther to the south of the lot and narrower - good thing they will probably never get built
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Old May 5th, 2009, 07:02 PM   #64
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Oh, I think it'll get built, just not anytime within the next five years. They had to go bulky on it because slim and elegant costs money. If it costs money you have to charge more. If you have to charge more, you get fewer potential buyers.

Now, not to say that Grand Central and Ventana, the Slade and the one across from the Aquarium parking lot are cheap because they are low and boxy. The developers just had those units GROSSLY over priced. My guess is the profit margin on those were in the 40% range. Once everyone gets done getting screwed with their pants on over everything down there, things will stabilize. Honestly, one bedrooms in most of those buildings ought to be selling for the $180s and honest two bedrooms (meaning every bedroom having a window) should be in the $250K and up range. The neighborhood is interesting, but so is Hyde Park, so there is a ton of competition around especially with the smaller number of single urban professionals those units are targeted at.
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Old May 11th, 2009, 02:36 PM   #65
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crap - they should be farther to the south of the lot and narrower - good thing they will probably never get built
Agreed!!!!!
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Old September 15th, 2011, 07:44 PM   #66
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Not sure if this project is going forward, but they are demolishing the current Crane & Co. building at Twiggs and Meridian today.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 09:00 PM   #67
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Not sure if this project is going forward, but they are demolishing the current Crane & Co. building at Twiggs and Meridian today.
And will that be good riddance? Is it an ugly old building?
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Old September 15th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #68
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Not sure if this project is going forward, but they are demolishing the current Crane & Co. building at Twiggs and Meridian today.
Not sure either. I sent an email to Urban Studios, so hopefully we can get some more information.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 09:56 PM   #69
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Not sure either. I sent an email to Urban Studios, so hopefully we can get some more information.
Good luck with attempting to get a response. The condo that was proposed there is more than likely dead. It will either be another parking lot or another cheesy apartment plan coming up.
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Old September 16th, 2011, 04:29 PM   #70
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Not sure either. I sent an email to Urban Studios, so hopefully we can get some more information.
They won't respond.

The original project that they worked on is way dead. The land was sold earlier this year for just over $2 million... What's notable there is that the last sale of this parcel was for $31.5 million!
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Old September 16th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #71
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The original project that they worked on is way dead. The land was sold earlier this year for just over $2 million... What's notable there is that the last sale of this parcel was for $31.5 million!
It wasn't a sale. The land last sold in 2005-06.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 02:14 AM   #72
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I heard a rumor, today, that a hotel is going in there... The person I spoke with said he thinks it will be a type of "extended stay" (i.e. Mainstay hotel). If true, I hope it doesn't look like a typical suburban extended stay.
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Good luck with attempting to get a response. The condo that was proposed there is more than likely dead. It will either be another parking lot or another cheesy apartment plan coming up.
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They won't respond.

The original project that they worked on is way dead. The land was sold earlier this year for just over $2 million... What's notable there is that the last sale of this parcel was for $31.5 million!
Likely correct. Yet to receive an email from them.

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We will get that or another building with multiple colors like Grand Central and Seaport. Once something is brought up about what's going on there, I'll send an email. Will anything happen from my email? Likely not. But I'm not going to complain while I had no input.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 02:12 AM   #74
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It wasn't a sale. The land last sold in 2005-06.
I'm simply going by the public record on the property appraiser's site.
http://www.hcpafl.org/CamaDisplay.as...Y000001000010A
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Old September 18th, 2011, 04:17 AM   #75
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Yeah, it's just a warranty deed. The website tends to list all actions as sales.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 04:55 PM   #76
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And will that be good riddance? Is it an ugly old building?
Nope, gorgeous building, was given a beautiful renovation in 2000 by Gaspar. Looks like they are trying to salvage as much from the building as possible


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Old September 18th, 2011, 07:06 PM   #77
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Oh that building. Ok. I'm confused. Are they tearing it down completely? What do you mean by salvaging in this case? Thanks for the pics btw.
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Saving the components of the building to be reused... Gotta take it down differently than if you just used a backhoe to knock it down.
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Saving the components of the building to be reused... Gotta take it down differently than if you just used a backhoe to knock it down.
Ok I get it. I hate to see old buildings go, but it looks out of character with Grand Central next to it. And speaking of Grand Central, the units for sale are now 50% off the presale price. The original buyers must really feel screwed.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 11:00 PM   #80
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IT appears the sale is just a formality sold between tow entities owned by the same people - probably for some financing and liability reasons.

The demolition doc is signed for the new owner by Ken Stoltenberg - who is Mercury Advisors/Grand Central guy
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