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Old August 8th, 2007, 06:44 PM   #121
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12,000 is nothing...

We have Broxtower had a population of 92,000 and isnt included...

Rushcliffe has a population of 100,000.... and isnt included

Gedling had 111,800 in 1991.... cant find any more recent stats
These places are all included within the Greater Nottingham Partnership. Rushcliffe is included even though most of it is farms, once you get away from West Bridgford.
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So when LCC want to create a masterplan to improve Leicester they have to ignore your town. I guess also that when LCC get their funds from central government they get less than they really should because some of it goes directly to your town. That's ok in some respects but it also means that LCC have less financial clout for the big projects and schemes that can really make a difference.
skit_uk you talk a lot of sense!

Leicester does miss out massively due to under-representaion of our true urban population. I've done some quick analysis of the towns that surround Leicester, that are not included in the Urban Area. The urban population is easily around the 600,000 mark, despite the official figure of 450,000.

There is less recognition of Leicester as a conurbation due to this inaccuracy.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 06:51 PM   #123
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your right... not all of those live directly in Nottingham... however... 36,000 of those from rushcliffe live in West Bridgeford (Right in the city), not to mention those who live in Wilford and WB's other surrounding areas...

Gedling is predominantly in the city centre.. only burton joyce, calverton and ravenshed are based outside of the city centre... Of the Gedling population only about 25,000 is based outside of the city centre...

Browxtowe is very different... I cant really find stats for how much of the population is based in Notts...

Then theres other places...obviously much smaller places that don't really make sense mentioning but together they make up a large number
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Old August 8th, 2007, 06:53 PM   #124
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east-midlands boundaries...

as i posted in another thread, would something like this be about right?



with Corby obviously the capital
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Old August 8th, 2007, 06:55 PM   #125
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There is less recognition of Leicester as a conurbation due to this inaccuracy.
But Lears..like I said yesterday... the same could be said about us... Mansfield with a population of about 100,000 is not included in Notts' stats.. these people obviously shop in Nottingham, word in Nottingham etc... theres no where closer for them to go!!

There are other places however mansfield was the first that came to mind... Ashfield... which is a little further out has a population of 41,000. This is also excluded despite Nottingham being the obvious work and retail destination for these guys. They we're even talking of extending the hucknall tram up there!
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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:03 PM   #126
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I think that Mansfield, more of the Peak District, Burton Upon Trent, Ashby de la Zouch and Hinckley all should be included in the East Midlands.

It is a region without clear boundaries really though. Only Leicester, Derby and Nottingham are cities which certainly are in the East Midlands. I'm not sure whether Lincoln, Northampton and Perterborough people feel that they are East Midlanders? Do people in the northern parts of the Peak District associate themselves with Manchester or Sheffield?

You can see from the map why Melton Mowbray was chosen for the East Midlands Regional Assembly.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:11 PM   #127
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I know that Peterborough get the 'Look East' local news and not East Midlands Today as much, if that's any good.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:11 PM   #128
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But Lears..like I said yesterday... the same could be said about us... Mansfield with a population of about 100,000 is not included in Notts' stats.. these people obviously shop in Nottingham, word in Nottingham etc... theres no where closer for them to go!!

There are other places however mansfield was the first that came to mind... Ashfield... which is a little further out has a population of 41,000. This is also excluded despite Nottingham being the obvious work and retail destination for these guys. They we're even talking of extending the hucknall tram up there!
I wouldn't include Mansfield as part of Nottingham, unless we can include Lougborough as part of Leicester? There is an almost unbroken built up area between Leicester and Lougborough. That would give us three universities and a strong Olympic presence in 2012 etc...

Surely Mansfield is big enough to accomodate its workforce and there is a strong retail element with that Designer Outlet too.

Ashfield is included in Nottingham population figures due to the Greater Nottingham Partnership.
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It's only after Quorn that there is any real break in settlement between Leicester and Lougborough and that's nearer the Loughbourough end.
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Just a couple of fields if you look on Google Earth!
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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:32 PM   #131
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12,000 is nothing...

We have Broxtower had a population of 92,000 and isnt included...

Rushcliffe has a population of 100,000.... and isnt included

Gedling had 111,800 in 1991.... cant find any more recent stats
Aren’t these all borough councils? some urban but the majority rural villages?

If you count all of these then all cities are much larger than their actual urban areas.

Leicester could add Charnwood, Blaby, Harbough……….

What Lears was discussing was a town in Leicester's Urban area but not included in the City population.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:34 PM   #132
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as i posted in another thread, would something like this be about right?



with Corby obviously the capital
My vote for EM capital, goes to Oakam in Rutland, Just for its central location!
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Off subject but the Football season starts Saturday, what do you guys think your respective teams will achieve this season?

I think that with all the new signings at Leicester we should make the playoffs.
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Probably a bit too far from the main urban areas. If you include towns like Burton on Trent, Hinckley and Ashby, then the best central location for me is...Leicester!
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Off subject but the Football season starts Saturday, what do you guys think your respective teams will achieve this season?

I think that with all the new signings at Leicester we should make the playoffs.
Regarding the teams in Derby, Leicester & Nott's.

This season, the four teams play in different leagues.

Rams - Prem
Foxes - Championship
Trees - Div One
Magpies - Div two

I don’t think I can remember this happening before
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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:40 PM   #136
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Off subject but the Football season starts Saturday, what do you guys think your respective teams will achieve this season?

I think that with all the new signings at Leicester we should make the playoffs.
Derby relegated
Leicester play-offs
Forest promoted

Must admit to being a bit ignorant about the chances of Lincoln, Northampton, Rushden, Notts County, Mansfield, Chesterfield etc...?
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Not had the three major teams in the top flight since 1998/99 season!

1 Manchester United 38 22 13 3 80 37 79
2 Arsenal 38 22 12 4 59 17 78
3 Chelsea 38 20 15 3 57 30 75
4 Leeds United 38 18 13 7 62 34 67
5 West Ham United 38 16 9 13 46 53 57
6 Aston Villa 38 15 10 13 51 46 55
7 Liverpool 38 15 9 14 68 49 54
8 Derby County 38 13 13 12 40 45 52
9 Middlesbrough 38 12 15 11 48 54 51
10 Leicester City 38 12 13 13 40 46 49
11 Tottenham Hotspur 38 11 14 13 47 50 47
12 Sheffield Wednesday 38 13 7 18 41 42 46
13 Newcastle United 38 11 13 14 48 54 46
14 Everton 38 11 10 17 42 47 43
15 Coventry City 38 11 9 18 39 51 42
16 Wimbledon 38 10 12 16 40 63 42
17 Southampton 38 11 8 19 37 64 41
18 Charlton Athletic 38 8 12 18 41 56 36
19 Blackburn Rovers 38 7 14 17 38 52 35
20 Nottingham Forest 38 7 9 22 35 69 30

Check out the all-time Premier League table. Poor showing from the East Midlands!!!

Pos. Club Seasons Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Titles won Runners-up Avg. Pts
1 Manchester United 15 582 367 131 84 1140 516 624 1232 9 3 2.12
2 Arsenal 15 582 308 157 117 974 516 458 1081 3 5 1.86
3 Chelsea 15 582 285 158 139 912 580 332 1013 2 2 1.74
4 Liverpool 15 582 285 144 153 925 579 346 999 1 1.72
5 Newcastle United 14 540 229 142 169 799 653 146 829 2 1.53
6 Aston Villa 15 582 214 175 193 711 673 38 817 1 1.40
7 Tottenham Hotspur 15 582 212 152 218 773 786 -13 788 1.35
8 Blackburn Rovers 13 506 205 132 169 702 607 95 747 1 1 1.47
9 Everton 15 582 192 159 231 703 775 -72 735 1.26
10 Leeds United 12 468 189 125 154 641 573 68 692 1.48
11 West Ham United 12 464 160 116 188 549 649 -100 596 1.28
12 Southampton 13 506 150 137 219 598 738 -140 587 1.16
13 Middlesbrough [3] 12 460 143 133 184 550 631 -81 559 1.21
14 Manchester City 10 392 114 110 168 442 526 -84 452 1.15
15 Coventry City 9 354 99 112 143 387 490 -103 409 1.15
16 Sheffield Wednesday 8 316 101 89 126 409 453 -44 392 1.24
17 Wimbledon 8 316 99 94 123 384 472 -88 391 1.24
18 Bolton Wanderers 8 304 97 85 122 358 438 -80 378 1.24
19 Charlton Athletic 8 304 93 82 129 342 442 -100 361 1.18
20 Leicester City 8 308 84 90 134 354 456 -102 342 1.11
21 Fulham 6 228 71 62 95 267 318 -51 275 1.20
22 Derby County 6 228 67 62 99 251 331 -80 263 1.15
23 Nottingham Forest 5 198 60 59 79 229 287 -58 239 1.21
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Not a big footie fan, though I hope Leicester City will be promoted to the Premiership - to add to the good feeling of regeneration in the city.
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I would absolutely love to see forest promoted this year... still not sure it will happen tho...i hope talks of the new stadium give them some inspiration
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Going back to population.

Greater Nottingham Partnership include the whole of Rushcliffe,Gedling and Broxtowe and Hucknall wards of Ashfield on top of Nottm City in their Gtr Nottm population (621,000)

On the other hand National Statistics Urban Areas include large areas of Derbyshire in their Gtr Nottm, but not the rural areas of Rushcliffe etc.

If you include Nottm, most of Gedling and Broxtowe(not the villages which aren't connected), the Hucknall wards of Ashfield and the West Bridgford Urban area of Rushcliffe you end up with about 530,000. Long Eaton sort of joins on to Gtr Nottm though doesn't it so that's takes it up to about 567,000.


For Leicester if you include the City + only the immediately adjacent areas not inside the city boundary such as Birstall, Thurmaston, Thurnby, Oadby and Wigston, Glen Parva, Braunstone, LFE and Glenfield you end up with about 410,000 population.

These figures all from the 2001 census.
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