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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:08 PM   #121
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A52? Goes all the way to Stoke-on-Trent doesn't it?

Any news on how the enquiry's going? Has Mrs Miggins from number 24 been given adequate opportunity to explain at great length how the vibration from the tram might put her cat off its food?
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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:37 PM   #122
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I've got a friend who lives just a few metres from the line in Hyson Green and the vibrations from the tram are terrible. Its like an earthquake.

Theres a few stories in todays post:

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/di...entPK=18957603

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/di...entPK=18952756
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:28 PM   #123
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I've got a friend who lives just a few metres from the line in Hyson Green and the vibrations from the tram are terrible. Its like an earthquake.
What kind of earthquake? Picture rattling or plate-smashing?

I can't say I've been able to hear trams passing when I've been in shops next to the line, but I guess they run quite slowly between Royal Centre and Station Street.

Just thought, they could console poor Mrs Miggins with the fact that her cat's kittens will have died of old age by the time the first tram runs.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:36 PM   #124
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The first article includes such a sad fact...."the public consultation began in early 2001".
How many consulations later, and a period of 7 years of construction prices going up and maybe in 3 or 4 years we'll have a couple of tram lines, 10 or 11 years after the scheme was first publicised to residents. That's the shameful state of our planning systems, if things moved a bit faster then transport might one day improve properly.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:38 PM   #125
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Not plate smashing, but enough to really keep you awake at night!

Its a little different when your in a shop though. I'm talking about people being in their quiet homes away from the hustle and bustle. This particular house got it really bad. The tram line was literally about 5m from the tram line. And the tram itself takes ages to go by as its going round a sharp corner. You can't hear the tram as such, but you can hear and feel the vibrations it causes.

Put it this way, if your not used to it you wouldn't sleep through it.

By the way, I heard someone say that they would hate to live near a tram with bells going off all the time. When the trams get into residential areas like hyson green (noel street), the bell dosn't go off. The beep before the doors close still goes off though.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:43 PM   #126
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It was me, I'm glad to hear about the bell! Vibrations and electronic screeching though...still don't think I'd fancy it. Maybe a house 2 streets from a tram stop might be quite nice...
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Old November 16th, 2007, 12:46 PM   #127
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From the deceiving EP:

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Plans to build a park and ride centre on rural land in Notts would "drive an arrow into the heart" of the area's green belt, an inquiry has heard.

The 1,400 space car park is part of proposals for an extension of Nottingham's tram service into Beeston, Chilwell and Toton.

But Toton resident Richard Britton objected to the plans, which he said would pose a danger to wildlife and set a precedent for development near the site.

Speaking during the NET phase two inquiry at the Britannia Hotel yesterday, the retired company director said the land near the A52 roundabout was important for the future.

He said: "This is a very sensitive area of green belt land which separates Bramcote, Chilwell and Toton. This development will drive an arrow into the heart of it and it will be extremely difficult to deny further development in the future."

But Charles George QC, representing the tram promoters, said amendments to national planning guidance meant large transport projects could be granted permission on green belt land without setting a precedent.

He said Broxtowe Borough Council had already allocated the land for a park and ride site.

The inquiry also heard from Rosemary Quinn, scheme manager of the 19 flats for elderly residents in Sandby Court, Chilwell.

The tram is set to pass just metres from the back of the building, and Mrs Quinn said the noise would make the lives of many residents a misery.

Nottingham City Council engineer Callum Gibson said they would take all possible measures to reduce the impact on people. He said: "We do recognise that the character of the site will be changed, and we have set out in evidence why the tram will route to the rear of the building."

NET originally planned to run the tram between buildings at Sandby Court but changed the route so fewer residents would be disrupted.
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Old November 16th, 2007, 01:53 PM   #128
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The tramway behind sandby court will be on ballasted track won't it? So vibration should be quite a bit less than on the street running sections.
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Old November 16th, 2007, 02:02 PM   #129
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they're all deaf anyway in sandby court, I should know - my grandma lives there!
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Old November 16th, 2007, 02:26 PM   #130
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Old November 19th, 2007, 07:55 PM   #131
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Experts have been brought in to advise council officials over the revamp of Beeston town centre, at a cost of at least £100,000.

Broxtowe Borough Council has appointed two specialist legal and property consultant firms for the £500 million project.

Solicitors Freeth Cartwright and property consultant Cushman and Wakefield will advise the authority in its negotiations with potential developers and NET, the promoters of the planned tram extension through the town centre.

They will advise on the Compulsory Purchase Orders planned for council-owned land in the town centre as part of NET phase two.

If approved, the tram will stop at University Boulevard Middle Street, Chilwell Road, and Castle College on its way through Beeston.

Council leader Michael Rich said: "We need advice from companies that have had experience with other town centres."

At a meeting of the council's cabinet, Conservative group leader Coun Richard Jackson said officials spent a day interviewing possible candidates.

He said: "Expensive consultants are easy targets.

"But we were quite happy to take what was obviously the best of both options.

"They weren't the cheapest but the size of the overall scheme is absolutely enormous.

"£100,000 is a lot of money - but getting the wrong advice will cost us more in the long run.

"We only have one chance of getting this right and I am very confident in the people we have recommended."

Labour councillor Frank Prince said: "This is not the time to economise with things like this, I am really reassured by the news."

A report by council officers said that while price was an issue, it was not their biggest concern.

The council has already appointed planning consultants Atkins to lay out the original master plan for the town centre.

The report said: "The panel felt the quality of the consultant to be chosen was the predominant aspect.

"The actual funding required will need to be re-assessed when the consultants have a more in-depth knowledge of the council's requirements, but is likely to exceed £100,000."

Consultations on the plans to revamp Beeston town centre concluded in September.

The results are now being analysed and a working group aims to draw up early proposals by Christmas.

Among the planned developments is a multi-storey car park and shops, housing and offices.

The plans will be affected by the result of this month's tram inquiry, but will go ahead even if the network is not extended into Beeston and Chilwell
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Old November 20th, 2007, 12:13 AM   #132
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I think of course the tram will cause disruption, but I bet almost ALL these people complain at the traffic along the A52 or University Boulevard when they are trying to get into town...its chronic! Trams would help to solve a huge amount of this.

It would also act as a brilliant way to link up all the city's Science areas, direct links between Boots, QMC, Science Park and Biocity, plus the M1, rail and bus station...i cant see how they can argue its bad...its all the typical NIMBY type complaints they got the last time.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 01:19 AM   #133
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I think the prospect of having a park and ride along all of our motorway junction is a big one. We've even have on at the hucknall entrance.

I think they should promote the park and rides a little more though. There are just a few signs when you come down from the M1. On Hucknall road they have one of those motorway style information boards with flashing lights letting you know there is a park and ride at the forest. I think these would be better placed where you can see them after you exit the motorway.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:17 AM   #134
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This isn't anything to do with the tram but it might affect the park and ride at the M1.
What is going on near Junction 26? The site looks massive and there are loads of site offices and plant on site.
I've driven past it a few times and never been able to work out what it is. Anyone have any ideas or info?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:24 AM   #135
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Aren't they starting the widening about now?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:27 AM   #136
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Yes they are but the site is offset from the motorway and it's all fenced off. They have bulldozers etc on site I just thought they may be starting to excavate the site for a project.
It's probably for the motorway though.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 05:04 PM   #137
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No way.. no decision till next autumn!? If for any reason this scheme dosn't gets cancelled I would get unbelievably pissed off. Can't see why that would happen just yet though.

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A Number of site visits are planned as part of the public inquiry into extending Nottingham's tram network.

Objectors giving evidence at the inquiry, which resumed today, say it will help chairman Robert Barker understand their cases better.

Properties in Cator Lane and Lime Grove Avenue, Beeston, along with green belt land in both areas, could be among the sites visited.

Mr Barker will visit sites affected by the two proposed tram lines and will then submit a report on whether they should be built to Secretary of State for Transport Ruth Kelly.

She will make a decision on the scheme next autumn.

Objectors from Chilwell and Beeston town centre are currently giving evidence, followed by objectors from the Queen's Medical Centre.
So what do you guys think of a tram route to EMA? Those in Leicester were suggesting we should not be "selfish" and work with the rest of the region to provide a train link?? What do you think?

I just don't see how a train link is as beneficial as a tram link (taking into account our high public transport standards and reputation). Imagine being able to go away on a quick business trip to rome for the day... Instead of catching a bus to town, getting on a train to parkway, and then catching another cab to the airport... you catch a tram to the station... seamlessly exchange onto the clifton line (if needed) and arrive at EMA?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 05:09 PM   #138
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^they were always gonna take a long time with that line 2 decision so i'm not surprised it's taking that long.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 05:12 PM   #139
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So.. after we get the ok from them are we good to go? Is there anything else we need?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 05:17 PM   #140
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The entire tendering process....if we get the go ahead in 11/12 months, then that'll take a while before construction begins.

How is it that other countries do things so quickly? What is it that takes so much longer here? It's a serious question - anyone know?
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