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Old March 19th, 2017, 01:37 AM   #281
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I think some lawmakers are purposely delaying the bill to make the admin look incompetent.
Wel....DOTr kind looks incompetent. They were given a mandate to solve the traffic congestion in Manila, and I haven't seen a real integrated plan just projects. The key word is integration - connect various lines, transit systems so people can travel more efficiently.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 03:03 PM   #282
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Wel....DOTr kind looks incompetent. They were given a mandate to solve the traffic congestion in Manila, and I haven't seen a real integrated plan just projects. The key word is integration - connect various lines, transit systems so people can travel more efficiently.
Just wondering what is the status of this project. buid build build lists the project as in the project procurement stage and the start of procurement is March 2017 and implementation to start July 2017.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 09:10 AM   #283
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Epic na nga ang traffic sa EDSA! Tugade scraps major BRT project


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The removal of appropriations for the BRT EDSA project was discovered during the plenary debates on the DOTr’s proposed P70.3 billion budget for 2018 Monday (October 9).

“Mr. President, the BRT project for EDSA is being studied right now. And according to the officials, most of the cut are voluntary so that the Free Higher Education Act and other rehabilitation programs,” Senator Joseph Victor Ejercito, the agency’s budget sponsor, said upon questioning by Senator Ralph Recto.

Pressed further on the issue, Ejercito said the BRT EDSA project will be funded by Official Development Assistance instead of being a line item in DOTr’s budget.

“After [a] meeting, ADB officials recommended that the EDSA project for the BRT be scrapped but the ones in Cebu and Quezon Avenue are still recommended to push through,” he said.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 04:01 AM   #284
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Goodluck. Status quo sa sobrang heavy traffic ang edsa for the next 5 years. Mukhang di din naman gagamitin yung Dalian trains ni mrt eh.
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Old October 21st, 2017, 11:49 PM   #285
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Eto pala un, Hindi niya ginagamit ang 86 billion, and he is asking 70 billion

I don't think BRT project will work in MetroManila. They are TOO MANY vehicles running in EDSA

- they have to remove those PROVICINCIAL buses/terminals in EDSA and move it somewhere south or north
- remove those huge cargo/delivery trucks in EDSA
- CITY buses run along EDSA with 5 passengers, mostly their waiting time 15-20 minutes per station, creating congestion to up coming buses.
- more railways etc
- decentralization

LTO said- they are more than 2, 317, 204 registered vehicles in 2015, and additional of 87,000 vehicles added in 2016 and the numbers are increasing every year. Approve Lang sila ng approve ng mga NEW commercial vehicles Kahit tambak na ang EDSA plus padami rin ng mga private vehicles.

I don't think ma-solve ang problema sa traffic sa MM. They need to find new, add EDSA/route, change system.. Masyado pa rin maraming vehicles. More railways perhaps..
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 11:34 AM   #286
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Eto pala un, Hindi niya ginagamit ang 86 billion, and he is asking 70 billion

I don't think BRT project will work in MetroManila. They are TOO MANY vehicles running in EDSA

- they have to remove those PROVICINCIAL buses/terminals in EDSA and move it somewhere south or north
- remove those huge cargo/delivery trucks in EDSA
- CITY buses run along EDSA with 5 passengers, mostly their waiting time 15-20 minutes per station, creating congestion to up coming buses.
- more railways etc
- decentralization

LTO said- they are more than 2, 317, 204 registered vehicles in 2015, and additional of 87,000 vehicles added in 2016 and the numbers are increasing every year. Approve Lang sila ng approve ng mga NEW commercial vehicles Kahit tambak na ang EDSA plus padami rin ng mga private vehicles.

I don't think ma-solve ang problema sa traffic sa MM. They need to find new, add EDSA/route, change system.. Masyado pa rin maraming vehicles. More railways perhaps..
I think sir mababawasan ang mga provincial buses sa edsa once matapos ang 3 Intermodal Terminal; the North ITS, South ITS, at SW ITS. dapat doon lang hihinto ang mga buses. the rest magtaxi or mag MRT na lang. Well goodluck sa MRT kung hindi pa rin yan maayos next year.
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 11:39 AM   #287
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I don't think ma-solve ang problema sa traffic sa MM. They need to find new, add EDSA/route, change system.. Masyado pa rin maraming vehicles. More railways perhaps..
Yes, MORE RAILWAYS ARE THE ONLY WAY we can resolve traffic in EDSA and the entire Metro Manila. Anything other than that is simply inadequate and a waste of money. We are simply too overpopulated and centralized. We really need to bring in very high capacity rail transit to move millions of people every day. You cannot do that with anything else but railways! The Mega Manila Subway is a good start but we also need more rail lines everywhere else.
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 11:49 AM   #288
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simulan na ang Line 4, 5, 6, 8. Hay buti pa ang Thailand. Sunod sunod ang mrt nila by color coding pa. Kaylangan na talaga ng Planning department ang Railway System saatin.
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What REALLY Causes Heavy Traffic at EDSA and Other Major Thoroughfares in the Philippines?
(1) Jeepneys/buses that load and unload passengers in the middle of the road.
(2) Jeepneys/buses that spend their sweet time at intersection corners waiting for passengers.
(3) Commuters that sequestered road space by waiting for their rides off the curbs; sometimes occupying 2 lanes or more if jeepneys/buses come far in between.
(4) Left turning traffic at intersections
(5) Vehicles making a u-turn (They will ALWAYS cut off a minimum of 2 lanes).
(6) Pedestrians that suddenly dart in front of you, trying to cross a busy thoroughfare.

Best Solution:
(1) Fence off jeepneys/buses in their exclusive lanes in the MIDDLE of the road. Since they are fenced-off, it is obvious that they will travel very fast and spend time only at certain access points that serve both as passenger stations and pedestrian crossings. You immediately solve problems 1, 2, 3 and 6 above.
(2) Ban left-turns (close all u-turn slots) and force left turning vehicles to make a loop. Thus major thoroughfares have only two modes: stop and go straight/right turn. This solve problems 4 and 5.
(3) If you want to be drastic, remove jeepneys/buses from the street altogether.

PS: If you study closely the above, solution #1 is a BRT system; albeit modified to cater to Pinoys' taste and temperament.....
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 05:04 PM   #290
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The fencing does not work. Many places already have fencing and PUV/Bus Lanes here and there and yet the jeepneys and buses simply ignore them. They just go where the passengers are.

For example at Shaw Blvd beside Shangrila Plaza, jeepneys are suppose to pick them up beside the mall, thus not go up the flyover. So what do they do? They create a loading terminal beside the Cityland Shaw Building and pickup passengers just before the entrance of the flyover, creating a bottleneck. People who want to go straight up the flyover will need to navigate or wait for the loading jeepneys to clear the path.

This happens in many many places throughout Metro Manila. Often you see huge bottlenecks in choke points filled with jeepneys and buses but once you clear the bottleneck, its smooth sailing until the next choke point. Guadalupe and Cubao are notorious for these and both already have BRT style fencing and lanes!

The real issue is driver/operator. They don't care about anybody else but their own. You can teach them traffic rules or increase fines but unless honest enforcers are there to apprehend (like what they are doing now at Marcos Highway), the drivers will simply keep on continuing their disgusting behaviour.

This is also why I don't believe the proposed BRTs for EDSA and elsewhere will not work given the business model proponents are pushing for, also known as "modified to cater to Pinoys' taste and temperament". It won't be single operator, it won't be government run. It will still be private operators all sharing the same bus lanes. And with it the usual competition for passengers, the hell with everyone else.

So yes, your other proposals to get rid of jeepneys and buses, at its current form if I may add, is actually a good idea. Get rid of all these private operators and let either a single operator or government do the job. Hire only drivers that know how to properly drive and pay them a good salary. That will for sure solve both our traffic crisis and much of our public transport issue.
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I think sir mababawasan ang mga provincial buses sa edsa once matapos ang 3 Intermodal Terminal; the North ITS, South ITS, at SW ITS. dapat doon lang hihinto ang mga buses. the rest magtaxi or mag MRT na lang. Well goodluck sa MRT kung hindi pa rin yan maayos next year.

Maganda nga 'yan Sir. Di na sila pupunta ng EDSA. I hope magawa siya at matapos sys
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Yes, MORE RAILWAYS ARE THE ONLY WAY we can resolve traffic in EDSA and the entire Metro Manila. Anything other than that is simply inadequate and a waste of money. We are simply too overpopulated and centralized. We really need to bring in very high capacity rail transit to move millions of people every day. You cannot do that with anything else but railways! The Mega Manila Subway is a good start but we also need more rail lines everywhere else.
I agree. We need to put up more of these railways connecting all cities and towns in Metro Manila. Or put 2-or 3 more... Metro Manila Central Railroad etc. Nakikita evolution ng railways basta maging tulog tuloy lang
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Old October 26th, 2017, 05:22 AM   #293
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What REALLY Causes Heavy Traffic at EDSA and Other Major Thoroughfares in the Philippines?
(1) Jeepneys/buses that load and unload passengers in the middle of the road.
(2) Jeepneys/buses that spend their sweet time at intersection corners waiting for passengers.
(3) Commuters that sequestered road space by waiting for their rides off the curbs; sometimes occupying 2 lanes or more if jeepneys/buses come far in between.
(4) Left turning traffic at intersections
(5) Vehicles making a u-turn (They will ALWAYS cut off a minimum of 2 lanes).
(6) Pedestrians that suddenly dart in front of you, trying to cross a busy thoroughfare.

Best Solution:
(1) Fence off jeepneys/buses in their exclusive lanes in the MIDDLE of the road. Since they are fenced-off, it is obvious that they will travel very fast and spend time only at certain access points that serve both as passenger stations and pedestrian crossings. You immediately solve problems 1, 2, 3 and 6 above.
(2) Ban left-turns (close all u-turn slots) and force left turning vehicles to make a loop. Thus major thoroughfares have only two modes: stop and go straight/right turn. This solve problems 4 and 5.
(3) If you want to be drastic, remove jeepneys/buses from the street altogether.

PS: If you study closely the above, solution #1 is a BRT system; albeit modified to cater to Pinoys' taste and temperament.....
Enough. The real reason that causes heavy traffic in EDSA simply is too many vehicles. No amount of discipline, fencing, etc. will fix that. When a road is running at over design capacity by a factor of 20x, you really f****d up.

Kailangan ng maayos at komportable na public transport para kahit yung mga mayayaman sumakay ng bus o tren. At mas importante pa siguro, kailangan bawasan ang population density ng Metro Manila. Kailangan natin i-develop ang mga probinsya para hindi tayo nagsisiksikan sa Metro Manila.

We're constantly underestimating the size of this problem, thinking that discipline, flyovers and some fences alone can solve it? This is one road that wastes a sizable part of our GDP. We need to think big guys.
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I agree. We need to put up more of these railways connecting all cities and towns in Metro Manila. Or put 2-or 3 more... Metro Manila Central Railroad etc. Nakikita evolution ng railways basta maging tulog tuloy lang
Ganyan na ganyan din ang problema sa traffic at pedestrian chaos ng HK nung late 1970s nung wala pa silang mass transport like MTR. Nagbago lang lahat nung nag operate na yung MTR nung 1979.
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EDSA BRT up for SoKor funding
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MANILA, Philippines — The government has included the P37.76-billion Metro Manila Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) Line 2 among the projects it will propose for financing assistance from South Korea, according to the Department of Finance.

In an interview, Finance Assistant Secretary Maria Edita Tan said the government is preparing the list of projects it would submit to the Export-Import Bank of Korea (KEXIM) for possible loan assistance

The South Korean government, through the KEXIM, offered $1 billion in concessional loans over a six-year period to finance key infrastructure programs in the Philippines.

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This stupid EDSA BRT isn't going to work on EDSA. It will eat up too much space in the middle, and MRT3 is a roller coaster. What happens when MRT 3 is at grade? when EDSA goes underground (4 lanes only)? Puede ba can someone point this out to the stupid DOTR people?

Subway to replace MRT 3 will add way more capacity than MRT 3 on its best days, will free up the median.
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The Metro Manila BRT Line 2 aims to construct a 48.6-kilometer bus-based mass transportation system and a corresponding pedestrian and bicycle greenway network along EDSA, as well as corridors along Ayala Avenue to the World Trade Center, Ortigas to Bonifacio Global City, and Ninoy Aquino International Aiport Terminals. Construction is estimated to be finished in 2020.
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Enlighten me folks. How can they build a BRT (Francis Yuseco one) on EDSA when there are structural issues they have to deal with? Where are they going to have bike lanes, etc when sections of EDSA doesn't even sidewalks!

For crying out loud. You guys are impressed because somebody writes nice things on proposal, but how are these things going to fit on EDSA! Bike lanes before sidewalk? You guys are Or just delirious for another very wet dream.

I'd rather they put this money toward more trains - monorails, people mover, skytrains etc.
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Thank you Lord. This project is on schedule pa din.

Excited na ako sa extreme transformation ng EDSA. Sigurado, it will be painful initially. However, once completed, malaking ginhawa sa EDSA users.

At dahil may ITS (Intelligent Transport System) to be implemented along EDSA in partnership with Singapore government, mababawasan na din ang mga private vehicle plying along this major thoroughfare.

JICA's Manila Dream Plan 2030 is still on track.
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