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Old May 19th, 2015, 02:49 AM   #3281
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Mls average attendance : 20.443
Chinese Super League average attendance : 23.373
Not bad for these 2 leagues............
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Old May 19th, 2015, 04:04 PM   #3282
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Mls average attendance : 20.443
Chinese Super League average attendance : 23.373
Not bad for these 2 leagues............
Agreed!..The Chinese Super League is really cracking down on gambling and crooked officials.

President Xi of China is really pushing China to become a "Football Nation".

China sends thousands of soccer TEXTBOOKS to schools to teach children how to play the game
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Old May 19th, 2015, 04:18 PM   #3283
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MLS attendance table for the 2015 season..MLS regular season runs from March to October.

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Old May 19th, 2015, 05:10 PM   #3284
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Agreed!..The Chinese Super League is really cracking down on gambling and crooked officials.

President Xi of China is really pushing China to become a "Football Nation".

China sends thousands of soccer TEXTBOOKS to schools to teach children how to play the game
It's interesting comparing the different means by which MLS and China are approaching this. The latter is viewing it as an overt cultural investment to entrench their mark on the global sports scene utilizing large, multi-purpose municipal stadia. Conversely, here in the States it remains an understated, mostly behind-the-scenes maneuvering to acquire business partners and slowly seep into the local mainstream, relying on intimate, purpose-built stadia. Results are working for both, it appears.

I'll be curious to see how/when Chinese teams begin to make their mark in Asian competitions.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 01:25 PM   #3285
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AFL still fourth-best attended sporting competition in the world

The AFL has retained its standing as the fourth-best attended sporting competition in the world, despite the addition in recent years of two expansion teams in states which historically favour the rugby codes.

The average attendance for AFL home and away matches in 2014 was 32,436 - a figure bolstered by the huge crowds drawn to the refurbished Adelaide Oval to watch the Power and the Crows.

The two Adelaide sides and three of Melbourne's most popular clubs - Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond - all attracted an average of more than 43,000 fans to their home games in 2014.

Ten of the 18 AFL clubs pulled bigger home crowds than NRL pacesetters Brisbane, whose average attendance at Suncorp Stadium was 33,354 last year.

In a global sense, the National Football League in the US remained far and away the pacesetter for crowds, with an average of 68,776 supporters on hand for every match of the home and away season, according to figures published by ICYMI Sports.

Soccer claimed the next two spots on the table.

The Bundesliga was second with 43,500 and the English Premier League was third with 36,695.

The NFL and the Bundesliga operate predominantly on the one-team, one-town model.

In contrast, six of the 20 EPL teams in the 2013-14 were based in London, while half of the AFL's 18 clubs are in Melbourne, with Geelong also just an hour away down the Princes Highway.

Expansion clubs Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney drew the smallest home crowds in the AFL last year.

WHO ATTENDS WHAT SPORTING COMPETITION

1. NFL
Average crowd of 68,776 in 2014-15
68,401 in 2013-14

2. Bundesliga
43,500 in 2103-14
41,914 in 2012-13

3. English Premier League
36,695 in 2013-14
35,931 in 2012-13

4. AFL
32,436 in 2014
32,163 in 2013

5. Major League Baseball
30,436 in 2014
30,514 in 2013
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Old May 20th, 2015, 03:13 PM   #3286
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AFL still fourth-best attended sporting competition in the world

WHO ATTENDS WHAT SPORTING COMPETITION

1. NFL
Average crowd of 68,776 in 2014-15
68,401 in 2013-14

2. Bundesliga
43,500 in 2103-14
41,914 in 2012-13

3. English Premier League
36,695 in 2013-14
35,931 in 2012-13

4. AFL
32,436 in 2014
32,163 in 2013

5. Major League Baseball
30,436 in 2014
30,514 in 2013
This list completely ignores college football...

All NCAA-FBS football conferences combined averages 44,603 including 5 leagues that average over 50,000. (125 teams)

Southeastern Conference: 77,694 (14 teams)
Big Ten: 66,869 (14)
Big 12: 58,102 (10)
Pac-12: 52,702 (12)
Atlantic Coast: 50,291 (14)

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Old May 20th, 2015, 03:18 PM   #3287
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You gotta admit that for a country of Australia's size and given how many teams the AFL has this is a huge number. Quite the sporting fans down there.



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The NFL and the Bundesliga operate predominantly on the one-team, one-town model.

In contrast, six of the 20 EPL teams in the 2013-14 were based in London, while half of the AFL's 18 clubs are in Melbourne, with Geelong also just an hour away down the Princes Highway.
File this under stuff I knew but never really considered. More specifically, I hadn't reflected on the distribution of teams in Germany as impacting their attendance figures. I just assumed their larger cities were comparably besieged with teams like other European leagues, and that their attendances were due to cheap tickets, the ownership model and great support.

Which provides some positive perspective for English teams to suggest they can still feature such good crowds despite the crowded club landscape.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 03:21 PM   #3288
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This list completely ignores college football...

All NCAA-FBS football conferences combined averages 44,603 including 5 leagues that average over 50,000
We've been over this before and it's a non-issue. There are enough differences to warrant pulling US collegiate sports out or at least providing them with a huge asterisk, so I move to let the issue lie.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 08:57 PM   #3289
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The NFL and the Bundesliga operate predominantly on the one-team, one-town model.
It is an impertinence to set the Bundesliga on one step with a corporate cartel, that the NFL is. The Bundesliga, just as any other respectable league, doesn't operate a model. It is simply the top division of a league pyramid of hundreds of divisions that is open for every football club associated with the German FA and allows every club in which qualifies by promotion.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 12:45 AM   #3290
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It is an impertinence to set the Bundesliga on one step with a corporate cartel, that the NFL is. The Bundesliga, just as any other respectable league, doesn't operate a model. It is simply the top division of a league pyramid of hundreds of divisions that is open for every football club associated with the German FA and allows every club in which qualifies by promotion.
Also, a fair number of German cities have more than one team. It's just that the 2nd team is usually considerably weaker.

In the top 3 national divisions, there are additional clubs in several cities, such as Union Berlin, TSV 1860 in Munich, FSV Frankfurt, Fortuna Koln, Unterhaching (Munich), as well as a plethora of clubs in Westfalia.
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The final matches of the German league season have been played in the 2014-15 season. Which gives me the opportunity the present you the key numbers.
Attendances have increased slightly in almost every division. Just the 2nd division lost a few fans despite a significantly rising median.
Only the attendances in the Womens Bundesliga took a dent. It's difficult the explain why. It did certainly not help that a rather unpopular team, Bayern München, won the league.



Outlook:
Despite the two sides with the lowest attendance, Paderborn and Freiburg, being relegated the Bundesliga can't expect an increase next season as they are replaced by Ingolstadt and Darmstadt which will contributed even less. If Karlsruhe beats Hamburg in the play-offs one must even expect a decline over the next 12 month.

The 2nd division, however, will probably get larger crowds next season.The stadium redevelopment at St Pauli will be finished by the start of the new season and unpopular sides Aalen and Aue are going to be replaced by two bigger clubs, Bielefeld and Meiderich, from the 3rd division.

Whether the 3rd division can repeat its record crowds of the just concluded season depends a bit on the outcome of play-offs. As mentioned, two big-drawing clubs have will leave the division to the top. This might be compensated with 1860 München relegating and Magdeburg promoting into this division. The latter does not only draw big crowds at home. They would also raise attendances away especially with a large number of east German sides assembled in this division. Additionally, stadium developments in Chemnitz and Erfurt will be finished and progressing respectively. This could boost attendances as well as Dresden if they could avoid a game behind closed doors for once.
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Nice summary. Thanks for all the background behind the stats.
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