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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:44 AM   #14961
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Believe it or not, this actually used to be planned as the design standard for all 100 km/h roads under the 'sustainable safety' programme. Few were actually built like this due to the cost of converting the existing 100 km/h roads to a setup like this. Overijssel province simply downgraded almost all 100 km/h roads to 80 km/h...
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:47 AM   #14962
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Please be more dramatic.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 12:35 PM   #14963
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i have never seen a road like this one
This is our standard "Fvck you, peasant!" lay-out.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 12:37 PM   #14964
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In May 2012, the new alignment of N307 between Dronten and Lelystad opened to traffic. It was the first upgrade project part of the 'N23' (working name, not signed anywhere). The ultimate build-out is a four lane expressway but that is not coming anytime soon. A short section near the Swifterbant exit has 2x2 lanes, the rest 2x1 like in these photos:


N307 Swifterbant-1 by European Roads, on Flickr


N307 Swifterbant-2 by European Roads, on Flickr
Did anyone else notice the grey van not quite following the rules?
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Old October 18th, 2017, 12:41 PM   #14965
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I took this photo with 25 x zoom, I did not even notice the situation when I was there, I only noticed it when editing the photo. It seems like the gray van is stuck in the soft median.

Which is by the way another criticism of expressways in the Netherlands, the lack of shoulders. They try hard to make it not look like a motorway. This is really a thing in Dutch road design, the hard change from a motorway to other road types. That's why you see 90 degree turns instead of a nice curve on ramps.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 12:56 PM   #14966
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From the way his wheels are turned, I figured he realized he was going the wrong way and wanted to turn around (like he's waiting for that truck to pass so he can rejoin the road). Not sure if he ever made it, I guess we'll never know.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 01:07 PM   #14967
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Old October 18th, 2017, 03:15 PM   #14968
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Oh right, that looks pretty stuck.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:17 PM   #14969
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Hopefully sometime Lelystad becomes really metropolitan and Zwolle becomes an outpost of the Randstad for statistical and urban function purposes.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 11:32 AM   #14970
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Well, Zwolle is really booming in both population and services, so with the addition of the Hanzelijn (direct railroad to Amsterdam), and the exploding prices of houses in Amsterdam and Utrecht, it looks like you don't have to wait all that long. Don't know about Lelystad though. Maybe the Schiphol expansion there will boost the amount of jobs. But compared to Zwolle, it has a rather dull image...
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Old October 19th, 2017, 11:45 AM   #14971
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Zwolle stands a reasonable chance of attracting relative wealth from Amsterdam, whereas Lelystad (like Almere) so far has been a refuge for the poor who can no longer afford Amsterdam. The Bijlmer in particular has in recent years been emptying out towards Lelystad, with many Surinamese-Dutch moving there.

Zwolle's, by contrast, has a more chique image.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 12:27 PM   #14972
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Hopefully sometime Lelystad becomes really metropolitan and Zwolle becomes an outpost of the Randstad for statistical and urban function purposes.
Oh stop it... first you ramble about zoetermeer and now you want Lelystad to become a metropolis...

Let's keep Zwolle a large provincial town...

We dont live in the USA-Of-Suburbia, thank god!
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Old October 19th, 2017, 02:31 PM   #14973
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Oh stop it... first you ramble about zoetermeer and now you want Lelystad to become a metropolis...

Let's keep Zwolle a large provincial town...

We dont live in the USA-Of-Suburbia, thank god!
I like the urban form of the Lelystad woonerfen and the fractal street design
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Old October 19th, 2017, 02:39 PM   #14974
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It's funny how a 'woonerf' is presented in the American media as an absolute novelty while they were scrapped in the Netherlands some 20 years ago. A woonerf was a thing of the 1970s and 1980s. The legal status of a woonerf was scrapped in 1998, by that time the concept had pretty much died out.

With the passing of Mr. Monderman, the 'shared space' concept also seem to have died. Not many new shared space situations were applied over the past 5-10 years. In contrast, the 'fietsstraat' is now rapidly gaining influence. A fietsstraat is a bike path where cars are a 'guest'. They cannot be made car-free due to many adjoining properties or being the only outlet for some subdivisions.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 03:21 PM   #14975
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Zwolle stands a reasonable chance of attracting relative wealth from Amsterdam, whereas Lelystad (like Almere) so far has been a refuge for the poor who can no longer afford Amsterdam. The Bijlmer in particular has in recent years been emptying out towards Lelystad, with many Surinamese-Dutch moving there.

Zwolle's, by contrast, has a more chique image.
Zwolle has had a pretty strong population growth, despite the economic crisis and significant slowdown of the housing market. Growth is picking up but the amount of houses for sale is pretty low (some 300-400 on average, on a population of 120,000) so prices are appreciating quickly again.

Here's the population change in Overijssel province 2007-2016:
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Old October 20th, 2017, 12:44 AM   #14976
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We dont live in the USA-Of-Suburbia, thank god!
What? Whole Netherlands is like USA-suburbs! Even with decorative man-made lake!
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Old October 20th, 2017, 01:38 AM   #14977
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What? Whole Netherlands is like USA-suburbs! Even with decorative man-made lake!
No, it isn't. The Dutch live in proper towns rather than suburbs. In regards of town and spacial planning the Netherlands are nowhere near like the USA.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 02:59 PM   #14978
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A6 Almere

The A6 eight lane expansion through Almere. There will be a local+express setup, with 4x2 through lanes plus some auxiliary lanes.





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Old October 21st, 2017, 09:35 AM   #14979
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government formation

Some more news concerning the 2017 government formation became public.

Cora van Nieuwenhuizen (VVD) will become minister
Stientje van Veldhoven (D66) will become state secretary (deputy minister)

So again, two females on the ministry. Their first names are not the most common in the Netherlands...

The ministry will be renamed to 'Infrastructuur en Waterstaat', going back to the pre-2010 roots of 'Verkeer en Waterstaat'. It means 'infrastructure and waterworks'. Waterstaat is a bit of an archaic name, it is not commonly used in everyday speech, except as a name (such as Rijkswaterstaat, the roads and waterworks authority).

This means the environment section will likely be moved to another ministry. The Rutte-III cabinet consists of 4 parties, 16 ministers and 8 state secretaries, a huge increase over the slimmed down Rutte-I and Rutte-II cabinets. There will be a separate minister for climate.

No details are known about the division of tasks between ministries and minister and state secretary.
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