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Old August 10th, 2017, 10:44 PM   #3001
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Vidio u Kninu, maketa!
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Vidio u Kninu, maketa!

To nije odgovor na moje pitanje, ti to i sam znaš.
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Vidio u Kninu, maketa!

I vi možete imati svoju za samo 9,90 eura + troškovi dostave

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Old August 12th, 2017, 10:57 AM   #3004
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Kaj je sa pzh2000 haubicama? Neš utihnulo.

Bilo je simplističko test pucanje jedne, ali treba provjerit dali i druge rade.

Jesu uopće sve stigle?
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To nije odgovor na moje pitanje, ti to i sam znaš.
Spavaš na satu i ne paziš rođo!!

1.) 7.4.2017.
Prve dvije haubice PzH2000 stigle u Hrvatsku:
https://hrvatski-vojnik.hr/aktualno/...-hrvatsku.html

" Riječ je o jednoj operativnoj haubici koja će biti smještena na Vojnom poligonu „E. Kvaternik“ Slunj i jednoj haubici za obuku koja će se koristiti na vojnom poligonu Cerovec ".


2.) 29.6.2017.

Tehničko gađanje samohodnih haubica PzH 2000
https://hrvatski-vojnik.hr/godina-20...-pzh-2000.html

"Tijekom besprijekorne provedbe tehničkog gađanja iz triju haubica PzH 2000 i sami smo se u to uvjerili..."

"Na vojnom poligonu "Eugen Kvaternik" 23. lipnja 2017. uspješno je provedeno tehničko gađanje iz triju haubica PzH 2000. Osim gađanja provedeno je i tehničko ispitivanje svih sustava: softvera koji je preveden na hrvatski jezik, balističkog računala koji izračunava početne elemente te svih sustava bitnih za preciznost i točnost pogodaka".

- Predviđena je nabava šesnaest haubica, od kojih će dvanaest biti u operativnoj upotrebi, jedna će služiti za obuku vozača dok će tri biti korištene za pričuvne dijelove.

- Sukladno ugovorenoj dinamici isporuke dolazak ostalih haubica u Hrvatsku planiran je do kraja 2017. godine.

- To što si vidio na slici gađanje iz jedne , ne znaći da nije izvršeno iz sve tri kako jei navedeno u tekstu ,reportaži gore- pa zato su i dopremljene na poligon !!.

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Old August 12th, 2017, 12:07 PM   #3005
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Spavaš na satu i ne paziš rođo!!

"Tijekom besprijekorne provedbe tehničkog gađanja iz triju haubica PzH 2000 i sami smo se u to uvjerili..."
Moja greška priznam.

Ja sam vidil samo onu sliku sa pucanja gdje je jedna haubica, ovu tvoju gdje se vide dve prvi put vidim.
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Old August 13th, 2017, 04:45 PM   #3006
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SHOCK 17
Kada - 21.08.2017.
Gdje - Slunj/Udbina
Tko - OSRH + 173rd Airborne Brigade (zapovjedništvo bojne i jedna satnija)
Svrha - uvježbavanje napadnih operacija

Za Hrvatski tim nastupaju: HKoV, HRZ, ZzP, SOD (nije isključen ni ZSS)
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Old August 20th, 2017, 09:28 PM   #3007
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Kupujemo izraelski top i "Spike" raketline

Eto veli g. Ivanković ,tj portal VL u ovoj vijesti koja nije tako nova, no opet se pojavila u sutrašnjem 21.8.17. izdanju:


https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/kupu...a-4-km-1189512

Do sada je nejasno - da li će rakete doći odmah ili ne, evt. pitanje simulatora i obuke za taj sustav.

S druge strane , odabrana je izraelska kupola s njihovim topom i očito onda valjda i njihovim raketama.
Ako ovo stvarno bude istina - mašala
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Eto veli g. Ivanković ,tj portal VL u ovoj vijesti koja nije tako nova, no opet se pojavila u sutrašnjem 21.8.17. izdanju:


https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/kupu...a-4-km-1189512

Do sada je nejasno - da li će rakete doći odmah ili ne, evt. pitanje simulatora i obuke za taj sustav.

S druge strane , odabrana je izraelska kupola s njihovim topom i očito onda valjda i njihovim raketama.
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Cijeli članak ...
Stiže 'pravo' oružje za hrvatske Patrije: Izraelski top 30 mm i rakete Spike!

Izrael je tijekom pregovora spojio dvije svoje tvrtke s ciljem prodaje najboljeg i provjerenog proizvoda, a po nižoj natječajnoj cijeni

Borbeno oklopno vozilo Hrvatske vojske Patria 8x8 na dobrom je putu da prestane biti “najskuplji vojni kamion na svijetu”, kako ga u šali nazivaju u vojsci. Godinama već, naime, traju pokušaji da se više od 120 hrvatskih oklopnih vozila dostojno naoruža kako ne bi bili tek skupi oklopljeni transporteri.
Istina je da su neke Patrije naoružane norveškom (proizvođač Konsberg) oružanom stanicom od 12,7 mm s termovizijskom kamerom za mogućnost djelovanja noću, laserskim daljinomjerom i označivačem cilja, no tek sada na Patrije dolazi teže naoružanje. Do kraja ovog mjeseca ili početkom rujna MORH će potpisati ugovor o nabavi osam daljinski upravljanih oružanih stanica 30 mm s protuoklopnim raketnim sustavom (DUOS-30L).
Taj je natječaj trajao dvije godine, a odabrana je ponuda tvrtke Elbit Systems iz Izraela s vlastitom stanicom UT30MK2 koja se sastoji od topa 30 mm i spregnute strojnice 7,62x51 mm, te protuoklopni raketni sustav Spike čiji je proizvođač također izraelska tvrtka Rafael. Po najnižoj cijeni Zanimljivo je da ove oružane stanice isporučuje izraelski Elbit, koji prodaje svoj top 30 mm, ali u kupoli spaja protuoklopni sustav s dvije vođene protuoklopne rakete Spike koje proizvodi konkurentski vojni proizvođač – Rafael. Riječ je o jednom od vodećih svjetskih proizvođača raketnih sustava, čije su rakete tipa Spike ocijenjene kao vjerojatno najbolje na svijetu. Verzija koju nabavlja Hrvatska, Spike-LR, projektil je dugog dometa koji uništava oklop debljine 700 mm na udaljenosti od 4000 metara. Probija i oklopnjake i tenkove opskrbljene reaktivnom protuoklopnom zaštitom. S obzirom na to da je u ožujku 2017. ministar obrane Damir Krstičević u Izraelu potpisao Memorandum o razumijevanju u području obrane – Izrael je tijekom pregovora spojio svoje dvije tvrtke s ciljem prodaje najboljeg i provjerenog proizvoda, a po nižoj natječajnoj cijeni, kažu u MORH-u.
Navodno je na taj spoj utjecao i izraelski ministar obrane Avigdor Lieberman, koji uskoro stiže u uzvratni posjet Krstičeviću u Zagreb. Tako će Oružane snage RH nabaviti osam DUOS vatrenih stanica za 93,616.485 kuna s PDV-om, kolika je bila pobjednička ponuda Elbita. Inače, bila su tri ponuditelja, Elbit, Đuro Đaković Specijalna vozila d.d. i Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. Rangirani su prema kriteriju za odabir ponude – najnižoj cijeni uz zadovoljavanje svih tehničkih uvjeta. Prije donošenja odluke o odabiru Ministarstvo obrane zahtijevalo je testiranje. Nakon Elbita s ponudom manjom od 94 milijuna kuna, drugorangirani je bio Rafael sa 106,13 milijuna kuna, a trećerangirani Đuro Đaković s 211,45 milijuna (sve s PDV-om). Dosegli ‘NATO sposobnost’ Činjenica da je hrvatski ponuditelj Đuro Đaković bio više nego dvostruko skuplji od drugih nije razveselila upućene. Šteta je da ova hrvatska tvrtka, koja je Patrije i proizvela u Slavonskom Brodu, te razvijala s norveškim partnerom Konsbergom oružanu stanicu 30 mm, neće i dovršiti posao naoružavanja Patrija. Pogotovu što je tvrtka u problemima. Pokazalo se da je, osim cijene, problem i što je Đuro u ponudi naveo američke protuoklopne rakete Javelin, koje imaju manji domet (2500 m).
Vatrene stanice bit će isporučivane sukcesivno do kraja 2018. godine, a u Oružanim snagama nadaju se da će nekoliko Patrija biti opremljeno i potpuno naoružano do početka 2018., kada u Litvu odlazi postrojba HV-a. Stanice će se kompletno izrađivati u Izraelu, a u Hrvatskoj će ih montirati ovlašteni zastupnik Elbita, tvrtka Luveti d.o.o. (i kooperanti). Obuku za upravljanje vatrenim stanicama provodit će izraelski instruktori po sustavu “train the trainer”, dakle obučit će dio naših posada borbenih vozila, a oni će kasnije obučavati ostale naše posade. U MORH-u su zadovoljni jer će nabava DUOS 30L-a pridonijeti višoj razini borbene učinkovitosti Gardijske motorizirane brigade, koja dobiva dodatnu sposobnost vođenja protuoklopne borbe na daljinama do 4 km što nam je zadano kao “NATO sposobnost”. A dobiva se i viša razina paljbene moći koju pruža top 30 mm. U vojskama Poljske i Slovenije ovaj se sustav pokazao kao moćan, precizan, pouzdan i učinkovit.



Pročitajte više na: https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/stiz...-spike-1189504 - www.vecernji.hr
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Old Yesterday, 11:40 AM   #3009
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Max - sto ti kazes ko "protuoklopnjak" na Spike LR?
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Max - sto ti kazes ko "protuoklopnjak" na Spike LR?
Moja tiha patnja skoro 20 godina (cijela Spike obitelj).



NLOS


I najnoviji član obitelji - Spike SR






Od iduće godine dostupan i Spike LR II ...

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SPIKE LR II is an advanced multipurpose missile, weighing only 12.7 kg, designed for modern warfare with almost full commonality to the SPIKE Missile legacy and can be launched from any SPIKE Launcher.

For increased lethality, SPIKE LR II includes two unique state-of-the-art advanced and highly capable warhead configurations: a Tandem HEAT warhead configuration, enhancing armor penetration capability by more than 30%, and a new multipurpose blast warhead, which includes controlled fusing (by the gunner) for control of the desired effect.

SPIKE LR II has a range of 5.5 km when fired from ground launchers (an increase of more than 35% above the 4 km range of the original SPIKE LR) and up to 10 km when fired from a helicopter (using alternative option of RF Data link).

The SPIKE LR II has a modern electro-optical seeker which includes a high quality un-cooled IR sensor and an advanced high definition color day sensor. The new seeker includes capabilities of a smart target tracker with AI features (Artificial Intelligence).

SPIKE LR II was designed against new modern targets with low signature, time-sensitive characteristics. To counter this SPIKE LR II includes an embedded IMU (Inertial Measurement Unit) for missions of third party-target allocation, allowing the firing of the missile to grid target coordinates, including advanced armor and protection systems. The SPIKE LR II is one of the only missiles in the world with an inherent CAPS capability.
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Lunjao netom pa naišao na ovu fotografiju M-84 D

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Lunjao netom pa naišao na ovu fotografiju M-84 D

Dobra! Ne vidjeh je doasad.
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Da nije bilo pisljivog rata, ovaj bi davno bio standard u svim jugo vojskama i to sa boljim motorom od 1200 ks i dodatnim poboljsanjima
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Evo što kaže jedan Indijac

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India chose spike over javelin. Is this the right choice?

It is indeed. Spike is much, much better than Javelin as per my research into the topic. Reasons are:

1. Spike has a standard range of 4 km (which can be extended upto 25 km) whereas Javelin has a maximum range of only 2.5 km. At the moment the range of Javelin cannot be extended. Javelin's range is too low to safely engage MBT (Tank) targets.

2. The seeker in Spike can select the target instantaneously. The Javenlin's seeker takes 30 seconds to acquire target because it needs cooling. In a desert environment where background temperatures are hotter, it takes even longer than 30 seconds for the Javelin's seeker to distinguish targets. In desert warfare such a long time to acquire targets is a pretty bad idea.

3. Javelin cannot hit a target behind a wall, hill or obstruction. It needs a clear line of sight. Also once fired, Javelin's target cannot be changed. The Spike has an option of a fiber optic cable with which an operator can change the targets mid flight. So if Spike is fired at an armored vehicle, but later during missile flight a juicier target like tank appears, the operator can target the tank instead by changing the flight path of the missile. This is not possible in Javelin as the missile travels along a pre-determined path. Also the Spike can hit targets behind a hill as the operator sees the target through the seeker on the nose of the missile. So after the missile clears the hill, the operator can see the target through the missile nose seeker, adjust the missile and hit it. On the other hand, since the Javelin can only hit targets in line-of-sight it cannot do this. The Javelin operator can only see the target through the command guidance seeker in the hands of the operator (and cannot see the target through the missile nose seeker which is a BIG disadvantage in terms of accuracy).

4. Most of the european militaries that did a comparison of the Spike vs Javelin chose Spike as it was much better. The few countries that chose Javelin did it due to interoperability reasons with NATO forces as the primary factor.

5. Javelin is more expensive than Spike, without any significant advantage factor.

6. Spike has better optics in command and control module. Without the missle launcher, it can be independently used as an observation unit to monitor enemy activity.

7. Spike comes with a tripod, meaning that missile position can be tracked without any user movement over it's entire flight path of more than 40 seconds. The Javelin does not have a tripod and it is difficult for a person to maintain it in steady position for a very long time. This becomes tiresome when observing enemy movement.
https://www.quora.com/India-chose-sp...e-right-choice
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Točke 1 i 7 moram ispraviti.
Domet nove verzije Javelina je 4300 m.
Ima tripod (ameri ga rijetko koriste pa ljudi misle da nema).
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Fino fino al jel se netko zapitao zsto samo 8 komada.Zato sto idu u nato misiju a da nije nato misije bojim se da ih nebi vidjeli nikad.nasa vojska se oprema stihijski sto treba trenutno se nabavi , ostalo nek čeka a ja nisam ja bas zato... Eto to je mala kritika od mene (jbg nemogu ni ja pricat stalno hvalospjeve kad to nisu)Daj bogati Krsto ti si bija vojnik daj stege ,daj principe.....Udri sakom po stolu tko nece da radi van Tko namišta natječaje van treba jedanput stati nakraj sa tim rabotama .
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Fino fino al jel se netko zapitao zsto samo 8 komada.Zato sto idu u nato misiju a da nije nato misije bojim se da ih nebi vidjeli nikad.nasa vojska se oprema stihijski sto treba trenutno se nabavi , ostalo nek čeka a ja nisam ja bas zato... Eto to je mala kritika od mene (jbg nemogu ni ja pricat stalno hvalospjeve kad to nisu)Daj bogati Krsto ti si bija vojnik daj stege ,daj principe.....Udri sakom po stolu tko nece da radi van Tko namišta natječaje van treba jedanput stati nakraj sa tim rabotama .
Ne verujem da će se brojka zaustaviti na 8 komada iz 2 razloga.
1. Protivno je svim pravilima poslati sva sredstva u "akciju". MORA postojati pričuva!!

2. Na nečemu se moraju obučavati novi operatori. Nakon obuke na simulatoru kao točka na "i" provodi se b/g.
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Cjena Spike LR 100.000 eura?

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That price of $4000 per missile and $6000 per launch unit is surely wrong. The reference page has probably confused the Rafael's Spike and the US shoulder-launched Spike(http://www.defensereview.com/modules...rticle&sid=887). The real price is a lot higher as for example Spanish Army paid $424.5 million for 2,600 SPIKE-LR missiles and 260 launchers missile systems (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...r-spain-04420/). I was told in the Finnish army (I was a gunner in a Spike team) that the price is around 80,000 € per missile and 400,000 € per launch unit.(http://www.defensereview.com/modules...rticle&sid=887) (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...r-spain-04420/) --Insssi (talk) 12:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Kud sada nama 100k? Valjda zbog malih količina ....

Max ti ćeš valjda dobit Spike LR (za pješadiju) prije neg odeš u penziju.
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Cjena Spike LR 100.000 eura?



Kud sada nama 100k? Valjda zbog malih količina ....

Max ti ćeš valjda dobit Spike LR (za pješadiju) prije neg odeš u penziju.
Prava cijena nije poznata. Nije mi jasno od kuda vuku te brojke.

Dobit će ga podmladak ali svakako ću ga primiti u ruke da mu zaželim dobrodošlicu.
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