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Old May 24th, 2017, 01:03 PM   #9421
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No specific comment to this project, but if you look at the absorption rate for EU funds, Romania is right there at the bottom.. So, yes, they have skipped many hundreds of millions of funds already, so at least that would be a consequent stance they take
RO gov has other priorities, they don't invest in infrastructure, unfortunately
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Old May 24th, 2017, 02:02 PM   #9422
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No specific comment to this project, but if you look at the absorption rate for EU funds, Romania is right there at the bottom.. So, yes, they have skipped many hundreds of millions of funds already, so at least that would be a consequent stance they take
That motorway was not a priority for the Government, it is not in Romania' motorway master plan, and it does not have EU coverage at 85% as for the on-going core projects, so I do not understand the fuss. We've seen it coming from get go.

They will focus on the real projects: A1, A3, A10, A7, and A8, the Braila bridge, to name just the most important, enough to triple the EU funds allotted to Romania until 2020. And that is the purpose. To have cover projects from EU funds, in case a few fall through the cracks of paperwork.

PS: EU funds absorption for 2007-2014 is at 90%. Not too bad for a first cycle.

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Old May 24th, 2017, 02:20 PM   #9423
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RO gov has other priorities, they don't invest in infrastructure, unfortunately
Dude, stop complaining, you should know that the (real) head of the Gov is a busy man. Just last week he achieved yet another outstanding performance: Guinness World Record for most people in folk costume and largest traditional dance.

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Old May 24th, 2017, 06:34 PM   #9424
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A1 Lugoj - Deva LOT 3 (21.14 km)



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Old May 25th, 2017, 07:33 AM   #9425
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They will focus on the real projects: A1, A3, A10, A7, and A8, the Braila bridge, to name just the most important, enough to triple the EU funds allotted to Romania until 2020. And that is the purpose. To have cover projects from EU funds, in case a few fall through the cracks of paperwork.
About this.

The investment company will launch tenders for design+build for the following:

A1 (mountain section): Sibiu-Pitesti, lots 1 and 5 in June, lot 2? in July - no info yet about the rest of lots

A3 (mountain section): Comarnic-Brasov, lot 5 to be tendered in June - no info about the other lots yet

A16: Pitesti-Craiova

Braila bridge has been tendered already. We are waiting for news on tenders for design+built on A7 and A8.
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Old May 25th, 2017, 10:49 AM   #9426
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I have one question, probably someone else already asked that. I looked at the map of Romania and I wondered if there could be a motorway connection between Sibiu and Brasov.
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Old May 25th, 2017, 12:03 PM   #9427
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About this.

A3 (mountain section): Comarnic-Brasov, lot 5 to be tendered in June - no info about the other lots yet
WTF????

You know very well that for this lot tender process begun in summer (july) of 2015 (right after last concesion / PPP plans droped). Offer was made by October 2015, in December 2015 they cancel tender process for lot 1 (Comarnic by-pass), and in november 2016 (AFTER 13 MONTHS!) they announce the winner in evalution process for lot 5. But guess what? First appeal overthrow that decission and since march we are waiting for another result from evaluation comission in CNAIR. Are we are WAITING....

The official statement is that in June they will sign the contract (not as you said, start the tender process), but there is no chance for that since after new evaluation there will probably be another round of appeals.

SO, please, ONCE AGAIN, STOP talking non-sense here. Other people might believe you.

Also: is not A16 si A12.

Also please mention that all tender process that started in last year are long over-due. For most of them had dead-line for submission of tenders in January, but due to low quality of paper-work offer to future tenders, most of them are post-pone over and over again. For some of them we had more than 10 dead-line for submission postponed.
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Old May 25th, 2017, 12:06 PM   #9428
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I have one question, probably someone else already asked that. I looked at the map of Romania and I wondered if there could be a motorway connection between Sibiu and Brasov.
Normally yes, we should have something like this. Currently there are works going on for FS between Sibiu and Fagaras (from Boita, where there will be an I/C with A1 Sibiu - Pitesti, all the way till east of Fagaras, some 60 km).

From Fagaras to Brasov they say that there is a FS done in 2009 and that they will use that when tenders for building will begin. But no info about that date.
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Old May 25th, 2017, 12:08 PM   #9429
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Yeah, A12 and it's not gonna be a motorway
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Old May 25th, 2017, 01:08 PM   #9430
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WTF????

You know very well that for this lot tender process begun in summer (july) of 2015 (right after last concesion / PPP plans droped). Offer was made by October 2015, in December 2015 they cancel tender process for lot 1 (Comarnic by-pass), and in november 2016 (AFTER 13 MONTHS!) they announce the winner in evalution process for lot 5. But guess what? First appeal overthrow that decission and since march we are waiting for another result from evaluation comission in CNAIR. Are we are WAITING....

The official statement is that in June they will sign the contract (not as you said, start the tender process), but there is no chance for that since after new evaluation there will probably be another round of appeals.
I misspelled contracting for tender. All the other information is pretty non-interesting, falling under paper work headache. We will see whether there is another round of appeals. Probably not.

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Also please mention that all tender process that started in last year are long over-due. For most of them had dead-line for submission of tenders in January, but due to low quality of paper-work offer to future tenders, most of them are post-pone over and over again. For some of them we had more than 10 dead-line for submission postponed.
No. Not going to go into that. Please go ahead if you care.
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Yeah, A12 and it's not gonna be a motorway
An expressway, changed from a motorway, changed from an expressway. Probably tendered as a motorway.
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Old May 25th, 2017, 01:56 PM   #9432
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An expressway with wider lanes (probably 3,75m). That's what they say
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Old May 25th, 2017, 02:01 PM   #9433
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A1 Lugoj - Deva LOT 3. The decision was taken to have a temporary exit @ Holdea. Well, partly temporary - after the completion of the project it could still be used to get out, but not to get in. Construction permit is yet to be issued for this temporary exit.
I don't discover in the first 3 minutes a clear place for a (temporary) exit due to the difference in altitude.
Are there any construction drawings available?


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min. 1:05 - that's where the tunnel(s) will begin. @ Pasadia, any idea what's going on w. the tender for the tunnels? I've lost track of this, so many changes of plans...

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Old May 25th, 2017, 02:22 PM   #9434
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Wow ! CNAIR acquires drones to spy on contractors's mobilisation on sites.

http://www.economica.net/cnair-va-fa...or_138383.html
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Nothing new. For a moment (during March) our government tested the water to see if anyone will agree with them that there is no need for tunnels. They blamed environmental activists for this sollution, they lied about the existance of big mammals in area (or at least about bears), and they complain that the price would be too high (as if they will pay).

But still no agreement with Salini about tunnel project done by them (CNAIR should receive this project and start tender project for construction based on it, but also should make an agreement with Salini about lowering contract value as they won't have to build last 6 km of their lot).
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In the Serbia highway topic appeared this message: http://www.ekapija.com/website/sr/pa...tavio-projekat

Please use google translate.
Is the Grindeanu government that bad in communication?
Do they really skip granted IPA-funds?
So the Serbs weren't those who wanted to stop the project? (I only read now the romanian news about the fact that Grindeanu lied about that)...

That's terrible, but nothing astonishing here after all, the goal of this government of smecherii (like they say in Romanian ) is to make unbelieve promises and then not pushing them/stopping other things when people are not watching or with liars...
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This motorway isn't in the Romanian Master Plan, and was never supposed to be built before other motorways that are. Can't really understand what's all this fuss about?!
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This motorway isn't in the Romanian Master Plan, and was never supposed to be built before other motorways that are. Can't really understand what's all this fuss about?!
This is about two governments making an agreement on applying for, and using international fonds. Without announcement / informing the other party involved, the Romanian government apparently withdrew. That doesn't make Romania a reliable partner, irrespective the Master Plan.
That what's the fuzz about...

Ps: in my memory the this road has been included in a version of the MP.
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TBH, I'm not familiar w. this, since I never took it seriously (the possiblity that this motorway would be built in the foreseeable future). But my impression was that the A9 was just a topic for bilateral meetings, probably in the absence of other things to talk about. I remember the ex-PM Ciolos saying something like "we will think about it", after a meeting with Vucic last fall.

No, in the MP it shows as "trans-regio road".
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This is about two governments making an agreement on applying for, and using international fonds. Without announcement / informing the other party involved, the Romanian government apparently withdrew. That doesn't make Romania a reliable partner, irrespective the Master Plan.
That what's the fuzz about...
The PM making these statements is from Timisoara, and a former head of county administration. So, he either buries himself politically or is crazy.

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It was included a upgraded road (so-called Eurotrans), not a motorway, not even an expressway, and it was never and nowhere in the priorities. And the strategy never changed, even after the so-called agreements. The government cannot change its infrastructure strategy, which was approved last year. I do not understand who anyone from Romania here could imagine the government (even a new one and politically different from last year!) would start making exceptions from the masterplan approved by the former government. Oh, the hypocrisy! For once they are sticking to a plan.



Secondly, these are the motorway priorities according to the strategy, and it is good they are sticking exactly to that !

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