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Old June 18th, 2009, 07:09 PM   #781
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Tropical North Queensland and the Great Barrier Reef. Two of Oz's premier tourist destinations.

The entire region has a mass of visitor accommodation, so accomodation and sustaining the visitor numbers should be fine. The demand for the stadium is there. The North Queensland Cowboys have been averaging around 20,000 in recent years, and dairy farmers stadium could do with a revamp and roof (A league plays over the wet season).

80,000 may be a little high for Perth, but 70,000 would be ok, and 60,000 is minimum. Subiaco currently has a 43K capacity, with the West Coast Eagles averaging over 40,000 per game and having around 44,000 members. A quality multi purpose stadium with movable tiers is the way to go for Perth. A second rectangular ground would be nice, but wouldnt really be needed if the MPS goes ahead, and certainly isnt realistic.

I dont think Hobart will get to host games.No AFL team, no A league team, no demand for any stadium. Remember the stadiums will be finalized by the end of this year. By 2022 Tasmania will probably have teams in both those comps, but that will be too late.

Geelong is in the same boat. No A league team in the works so no need for a rectangular stadium. Skilled stadium would be a joke for soccer.

Sydney Football Stadium will almost certainly be used. Its a great venue. The one stadium per city rule will need to be waived though, or the FFA would have to convince FIFA that Homebush is not the same city as Moore park or Sydney (some kind of public compromise would not be difficult i think).

Melbourne * 2
Sydney * 2
Newcastle
Canberra
Perth
Adelaide
Brisbane
Gold Coast
Townsville

1 Athletics stadium (movable tier), 1 oval, 1 oval with movable tiers, 8 rectangular, 11 total.

All stadium upgrades have either been announced or are pretty certain to happen, apart from the Perth and the South Australian grounds. So those are still the sticking points.

The upcoming council of Australian government meetings will be interesting. Apparently Rudd will be lobbying Rann and Barnett for them to commit to some stadiums. It certainly seems both sides of federal government are FULLY behind this, and with Lowy pushing it like crazy, infrastructure wise Australia might just get there.

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Old June 19th, 2009, 01:35 PM   #782
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For Townsville, Hobart 45k stadium is ridiculous. Townsville has a pop of 162k and hobart has a pop of 210k even with the population increases over the decade none of them are going to warrant a stadium that is about 1/4th there population. Hobart has no chance of getting a rectangular stadium because the only sport they are interested in is Aussie Rules, so if they do get a stadium of 45k it will be Oval.
Townsville's NRL crowd averages are amongst the best in the league, also the new A-League side will take to the field this season. A new stadium here in Townsville would get plenty of use, make it 45k for the WC & then remove 15k afterwards to have a permanent 30k.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 01:50 PM   #783
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You have to be joking that Sydney would hold the final.....you are hey ? Melbourne is the sporting capital of the world. Anyone, anywhere try and show me otherwise.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 02:17 PM   #784
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You have to be joking that Sydney would hold the final.....you are hey ? Melbourne is the sporting capital of the world. Anyone, anywhere try and show me otherwise.
Sponsors and FIFA and the LOC select the venue for the final.
IMO Sydney is the favourite.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 02:26 PM   #785
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Both Townsville, Gold Coast and Newcastle can resily be upgraded to 40k+. Townsville has little stands (in the sense that it doesn't have giant rooves which will have to be dismantled) and large areas where seating could be placed, so a redevelopment would be easy and cheap. Ditto for GC which already has a league club which pulls good crowds plus a new a-league team. Like Townsville it's faitly amendible. Newcastle is another stadium like this, with spaces at the ends to fit more stands, the stadium can easily be pushed to 40k, especially as it has some upgrades which have made it to 33k. Townsville would have fantastic weather during that period and is a very nice place, barrier reef. Gold Coast is a tourist destination. Newcastle may be not an oil painting but neither is Leipzig.

With those, Brisbane and Sydney x2, there's your 6 staduims already, only 3-4 more needed which can be sourced from Perth, Melbourne, Adelaide and or Canberra.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 02:31 PM   #786
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Sponsors and FIFA and the LOC select the venue for the final.
IMO Sydney is the favourite.
By a fair distance IMO.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 03:54 PM   #787
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You have to be joking that Sydney would hold the final.....you are hey ? Melbourne is the sporting capital of the world. Anyone, anywhere try and show me otherwise.
err London...
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Old June 19th, 2009, 05:07 PM   #788
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err London...
Melbourne is sporting capital of Australia, but maybe not world. We have the AFL grand final, melbourne cup, Australian open, f1, boxing day test, London has wimbledon, fa cup final, lords test match. But certainly Melbourne would be one of the biggest cities in terms of sports. The city is obsessed with sport. Literally.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 09:54 PM   #789
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You have to be joking that Sydney would hold the final.....you are hey ? Melbourne is the sporting capital of the world. Anyone, anywhere try and show me otherwise.
London?

Annual events:

FA Cup Final
Premiership Final
Challenge Cup Final
Wimbledon
Epsom Derby
London Marathon
Boat Race
Varsity Match
England rugby internationals
England soccer internationals
London Grand Prix
London Triathlon
Red Bull Air Race

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Heineken Cup final
UEFA Champions League final
Olympics (first city to host three times)
Rugby World Cup final
Rugby League World Cup final (twice)
NFL games
Cricket World Cup final (five times)
ICC Champions Trophy final
World Twenty20 final
Commonwealth Games
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Old June 20th, 2009, 04:25 AM   #790
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I think Melbourne is in the top five sporting cities though. New York has about 9 major sporting teams in 4 sports, London has what you described, Melbourne has what I described so they're both fantastic sports cities. Fwiw England will be credited with it's sporting and footballing passion with the 2012 olympics and (IMO) the 2014 world cup so England (And Scotland and Wales through their stadiums too?) is being paid due respect.
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Old June 20th, 2009, 04:29 AM   #791
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So you're saying pull the cricket pitch out every 2 weeks or so? Having football at Adelaide Oval is a definite no no, playing surface is too big.
I was actually referring to when AFL and the Cricket seasons overlap
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OK, first post on this forum. This is how i think an Australian bid would look:

Melbourne

MCG (according to austadiums) is considering a revamp of the Great Sounthern Stand's interiour. Aus won't get the cup untill atleast 2022 , so you would think that this revamp would come in time for the world cup should we get it. ($100m)

Melb Rectangular Stadium: They designed it in a way so it can be revamped to 50,000 without too much hastle. ($100m)

West Sydney

Homebush: Could stay the same as it is, or they could put the ends back on that were used during the olymipics. ($0-100m)

Sydney

SFS: No change ($0)

Brisbane

Suncorp

Gold Coast

Skilled Park, the new rectangular stadium on the Gold Coast was designed in a way that it CAN NOT be further upgraded from the present 27,000. This means, for the Gold Coast, they will either have to build a new rectangular stadium or go with Carrara stadium. At the moment, works are under way for the 28,000 seat oval (due to be completed late 2010). This stadium was designed in a way that it can be redeveloped to fit a Commonwealth Games bid (50,000-60,000ish). I see carrara getting this redevelopment and getting the capacity cut back afterwards (unless the gold coast afl team are getting good crowds).

Adelaide

Make Adelaide Oval into a 60,000 seat multi purpose stadium. After the current redevelopment is completed, it will be around 40,000 seats. A grand stand replacing the don bradman stand, chapell stands and maybe the grass hill will suffice. (200-300m)

Perth

Subiaco last year was a whisker away from becoming a 70,000 seat stadium (with the capacity to be able to be expanded to 80,000), but this plan was put on the back shelf by the new government untill funds were found. Surely if the world cup was won the state goverment would go ahead with this. (1000m)

Canberra
New $250,000,000 complex plan reveiled lately turning bruce stadium into an AFL venue and building a new 40,000 rectangular venue next door.

Newcastle

EnergyAustralia Stadium: No change (I predict it will be 40,000 by this time, world cup or not) $0

Hobart

Hobart: I see one of the Victorian AFL teams moving down there in the next 10 years, and they need a stadium. A 40,000 multi purpose seater will be shared well with an a-leauge team. 500m

Geelong

Geelong: Skilled Stadium will be near enough 40,000 by this time, but it is an oval and thus don't see it getting any games. 50m


Theres 12 stadiums, all meeting requirments.

The cost: 2,115,000,000-2,315,000,000
That's alot of money, although i see all of the stadiums being used afterwards to capacity. Also, alot of this sum comes from stadium upgrades which would have gone ahead, reguardless of the world cup (Subiaco, MCG, Geelong, Melbourne rectangular). Taking out these costs, we are left with a very, very, very rough total of 865,000,000-1,065,000,000. Is this cost justified by the world cup? I say yes.

*** signifies a white elephant post world cup.

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Old June 20th, 2009, 08:06 AM   #793
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Here is how the draw can be played stadium/flight time wise: (i just grabbed the top 32 teams using fifas ranking system)
There are 48 group stage matches
8 group of 16 matches
4 quarter finals
2 semi finals
1 3rd position play off
1 final

Geelong
GO16, 4 Group matches (5 Matches)
Gold Coast GO16, 4 Group Matches (5 Matches)
Hobart GO16, 4 Group Matches (5 Matches)
Perth Semi Final, GO16, 4 Group Matches (6 Matches)
Adelaide Quarter Final, 5 Group Matches (6 Matches)
Canberra Quarter Final, 4 Group Matches (5 Matches
MCG Final, Quarter Final, 4 Group Matches (6 Matches)
Melb Rec Stadium GO16, 4 Group Matches (5 Matches)
Homebush Third place, Quarter Final, 4 Group Matches (6 Matches)
SFS GO16, 4 Group Matches (5 Matches)
Newcastle GO16, 4 Group Matches (5 Matches)
Brisbane Semi Final, GO16, 4 Group Matches (6 Matches)

In Germany, 5 stadiums Held 6 Matches while 7 Stadiums held 5 matches.

State by State

NSW 16 Matches
VIC 16 Matches
QLD 10 Matches
WA 6 Matches
SA 6 Matches
ACT 5 Matches
TAS 5 Matches

GROUP A
1. Homebush- Australia v Argentina
2. Newcastle- Japan V Scotland
3. SFS- Scotland V Argentina
4. Brisbane- Australia V Japan
5. Gold Coast- Argentina V Japan
6. MCG- Australia V Scotland

Flight Time (6hrs total)
Australia - 3hrs
Argentina- 1hr
Japan- 1hr
Scotland- 1hr

GROUP B
7. Perth- Spain V Greece
8. MRS - Bulgaria V Croatia
9. Adelaide- Spain V Bulgaria
10. SFS- Greece V Croatia
11. Geelong- Spain V Croatia
12. MCG - Greece V Bulgaria

Flight Time (Total - 13hrs)
Spain- 4hrs
Greece- 5hrs
Croatia- 2hrs
Bulgaria- 2hrs

GROUP C
13. Hobart- Netherlands V Urguay
14. Geelong- France V Denmark
15. Adelaide- Netherlands V France
16. Canberra- Urguay V Denmark
17. Melbourne Rec. Stadium- Urguay V Denmark
18. Perth- Netherlands V France

Flight Time (total- 15hrs)
Netherlands - 4hrs
France- 4hrs
Urguay- 4hrs
Denmark- 3hrs

GROUP D

19. Homebush- Portugal V Ukraine
20. MRS - Israel V Turkey
21. Adelaide - Turkey V Ukraine
22. SFS - Portugal V Israel
23. Perth - Turkey V Portugal
24. Canberra - Ukraine V Israel

Flight time: (Total: 13hrs)
Portugal: 4hrs
Ukraine: 2 hrs
Israel: 1 hr
Turkey: 4hrs

GROUP E

25. Newcastle - Germany V Northern Ireland
26. Hobart - Paraguay V Mexico
27. Gold Coast - Mexico V Northern Ireland
28. Canberra - Paraguay V Germany
29. Brisbane - Germany V Mexico
30. Geelong - Paraguay V Northen Ireland

Flight time: (Total: 10hrs)
Germany: 1hr
Nrth Ireland: 3hrs
Paraguay: 3hrs
Mexico: 3hrs

GROUP F
31. Brisbane - Italy V USA
32. MRS - Serbia V Romania
33. Gold Coast - USA V Serbia
34. Adelaide - Italy V Romania
35. Perth - USA V Romania
36. Homebush - Italy V Serbia

Flight Time: (Total - 13hrs)
Italy: 2hrs
USA: 4hrs
Serbia: 3hrs
Romania: 4hrs

GROUP G
37. Homebush - Brazil V Russia
38. Hobart - Czech V Nigeria
39. MCG - Brazil V Czech
40. SFS - Russia V Nigeria
41. Perth - Czech V Russia
42. Brisbane - Brazil V Nigeria

Flight time: (Total - 15hrs)
Brazil: 3hrs
Russia: 4hrs
Czech: 5hrs
Nigeria: 3hrs

GROUP H

43. Canberra - England V Switzerland
44. Hobart - Cameroon V Sweden
45. Gold Coast - England V Cameroon
46. Newcastle - Switzerland V Sweden
47. MCG - England V Sweden
48. Geelong - Switzerland V Cameroon

Flight Time: (Total - 12hrs)

England: 3 hrs
Switzerland: 1hr
Cameroon: 5hrs
Sweden: 3hrs


GROUP OF 16
49. Brisbane
50. Gold Coast
51. Hobart
52. Perth
53. Melbourne Rectangular Stadium
54. Geelong
55. Newcastle
56. SFS

QUARTER FINALS
57. Canberra
58. Adelaide
59. MCG
60. Homebush

*For the group of 16 round, i tried to group like states together (eg. Geelong, MRS; Newcastle, SFS) so when it comes to the quarter final both winning teams have equal flighing time. I also tried to put the stadium for the quarter final near the two stadiums used in the group of 16 (eg. Geelong, MRS -> MCG).

SEMI FINALS

61. Perth
62. Brisbane

3RD PLACE PLAYOFF

63. Homebush

FINAL

64. MCG
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Blimey, you've figured out who is going to qualify as well! One thing I will say is that I hope Adelaide oval keeps it's heritage, remember folks it is an oval and a cricket one at that. I love stadium redevelopments but making Adelaide oval a steel structure like the gabba or mcg wont nor should not happen. For instance I can imagine SA people being a bit peeved knocking down Bradman and Chappel stands (Chappel stands are pretty new btw) when those three famous people which the stands are named after (Trevor ignored ) are gods in Adelaide. The rest sounds good. Although as a Geelong person I can't see a football team playing here nor can I see a Melbourne club moving to Hobart. Your idea for Hobart would be more of a white elephant than GC which is packed most league matches.
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Turning Adelaide Oval into a multipurpose venue would be a bit like turning Lords into a multipurpose venue.

Although Adelaide Oval could be used for Australian Rules Football and Cricket. So i guess that would kind of make it multipurpose!
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Turning Adelaide Oval into a multipurpose venue would be a bit like turning Lords into a multipurpose venue.

Although Adelaide Oval could be used for Australian Rules Football and Cricket. So i guess that would kind of make it multipurpose!
Pretty much. It has a history, Subiaco I don't care about but Adelaide oval matters.
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Blimey, you've figured out who is going to qualify as well! One thing I will say is that I hope Adelaide oval keeps it's heritage, remember folks it is an oval and a cricket one at that. I love stadium redevelopments but making Adelaide oval a steel structure like the gabba or mcg wont nor should not happen. For instance I can imagine SA people being a bit peeved knocking down Bradman and Chappel stands (Chappel stands are pretty new btw) when those three famous people which the stands are named after (Trevor ignored ) are gods in Adelaide. The rest sounds good. Although as a Geelong person I can't see a football team playing here nor can I see a Melbourne club moving to Hobart. Your idea for Hobart would be more of a white elephant than GC which is packed most league matches.
Read my unfortunate edit about Gold Coast.
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Read my unfortunate edit about Gold Coast.
Are you sure? It looks quite easy to dismantle and then develop into a larger stadium. I'd love to know more but IMO if we were to get the world cup skilled park would bend over backwards to ensure their stadium was included. Ditto the government, GC would be a fantastic city to host foreigners.
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@magic_johnson

Melbourne is definitely not going to get the final if we are permitted to use 2 stadiums. Especially not if Geelong (which is very close to Melbourne as compared to other regional cities is included).

Though ideally Melbourne should get the final, we'll stick to the equally as important first match between Australia and whoever.
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The stadiums for the bid will be decided by the end of this year, so i highly doubt Geelong or Hobart will be in the bid proposal.
Skilled stadium wont be put forward as it is beyond hopeless as a soccer venue. Geelong wont be getting an A league team any time soon, so needs no rectangular stadium.
Hobart has no teams for any stadium to be built, so is out too.

Maybe, if Australia wins the bid, down the line these cities will be added as host venues (if thats even allowed), though if the bid has been approved then I doubt more stadiums would be built or host cities changed unless its totally necessary.

Id rather we not host the WC than Adelaide oval be redeveloped. Its a cricket ground, and a nice one at that and should be maintained as is. Either way, a total redevelopment into a multipurpose stadium has not been proposed, hence is not on the cards. What has been proposed is an upgrade to just over 40,000 without movable tiers, which will mean the venue is still shit for soccer. If the SA government decide on Adelaide oval, chances of Australia hosting are drastically reduced.

Dont know about Gold Coast. What prevents a capacity upgrade at skilled park?
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