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Old March 6th, 2012, 04:33 PM   #30481
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It's rather 1 april? Unbelievable.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #30482
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This news is a travesty for 1wtc if it turns out to happen. This BAD news about the spire change, if it pans out, is quite simply WHY the United States is now second to the Arab and Chinese dictatorships in supertall construction and design. We are always designing down, instead of designing up! Geez, are times really that horrible that they can't even follow through with SOM's design? And this of all buildings?! Furthermore, 1WTC is NOT, I repeat NOT a twin of the old twin towers. It tapers as it rises, so the spire as designed would give it balance and just visually frame the tower so much better! If they actually change the spire to a bland, basic antenna, then the building simply will not have the impact it might have otherwise had.

Yeah, a simple antenna might have worked on the old North Tower, but it did not taper and so visually did not need a fatter spire like this one does. I REALLY hope they don't change the design, the spire would be such a focal point and architectural element of the building. The parapet would even look silly if they change the spire to a skinny toothpick sticking up there. The parapet as designed would cap off the building, help visually frame the tower. I just wish people in this country would stop constantly trying to change and mess up perfectly good designs. I guess there is nothing we can do but hope SOM convinces Durst to change their minds.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:21 PM   #30483
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Wow, this is the best news of this month. The ugly fat spire has been cancelled. This will make 1WTC a lot more beautiful
I'm sorry Kanto but your lack of vision has been personified in this comment. And you want to be an architect? Give up now and save yourself the heartache. There is no future for you in architecture.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #30484
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Ι surely do hope some sense is put into this, because if they go on and make the antenna naked it is going to be simply hideous...

The original plan is beautiful and actually makes a very nice contrast in that white color. Scrapping that and making the antenna look like any conventional antenna out there is catastrophic for this iconic building...
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:39 PM   #30485
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I'm sorry Kanto but your lack of vision has been personified in this comment. And you want to be an architect? Give up now and save yourself the heartache. There is no future for you in architecture.
Wrong! I never said I want be an architect. I don't want to be an architect. I want to be a structural engineer. That's a very big difference

Btw, I just made a quick pic how 1WTC would look like without the ring and the spire and I can tell ya, that it looks a thousand times better than with what you'd call "visionary architecture elements" (I'd call the ring and the spire uglifying elements)

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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #30486
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That's looks like 1WTC got neutered. Bleh!
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #30487
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Would you stop spreading misinformation? No one said the spire is canceled..I'm wondering when will this stop already..If ever will..
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #30488
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And I think it will look a billion times better with the ring and the spire, it that pic, imagine a flat roof on the ESB.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #30489
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Wrong! I never said I want be an architect. I don't want to be an architect. I want to be a structural engineer. That's a very big difference

Btw, I just made a quick pic how 1WTC would look like without the ring and the spire and I can tell ya, that it looks a thousand times better than with what you'd call "visionary architecture elements" (I'd call the ring and the spire uglifying elements)

[IMG]http://i39.************/23m6hyx.jpg[/IMG]
But without the ring or the spire, 1WTC becomes nothing more than just another tall building. All the significance and importance behind it are lost. It doesnt even stand out in front of 2WTC (whenever that gets built)
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Old March 6th, 2012, 06:06 PM   #30490
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WTC1 looks boring in that picture, but i think it's better without the ring and spire. They should design a new antenna to make it look better.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 06:08 PM   #30491
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But without the ring or the spire, 1WTC becomes nothing more than just another tall building. All the significance and importance behind it are lost. It doesnt even stand out in front of 2WTC (whenever that gets built)

I'm pretty sure 1WTC will have a spire, the issue now is what KIND of spire. They need to leave the design ALONE and build the nice thick spire, it frames the building much more, making it be a focal point for the whole city. Without the spire and parapet, 1wtc will look like a boring dull generic office building in anytown, USA. Any spire is better than no spire, and the parapet serves to help frame the spire on top and give the building balance and added visual height. But Durst needs to butt out and leave the design alone! I really hope SOM will convince them otherwise!
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Old March 6th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #30492
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Would you stop spreading misinformation? No one said the spire is canceled..I'm wondering when will this stop already..If ever will..
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pic how 1WTC would look like without the ring and the spire
Please note that I used the word would, not will

As to my comment before the quoted one when I said the fat spire was cancelled I didn't mean that 1WTC's spire as a whole got cancelled, I only meant that the fat design of the spire was cancelled, which according to the article it was
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Old March 6th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #30493
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the tower looks much better without the spire if only they could make it a bit taller.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #30494
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Wrong! I never said I want be an architect. I don't want to be an architect. I want to be a structural engineer. That's a very big difference

Btw, I just made a quick pic how 1WTC would look like without the ring and the spire and I can tell ya, that it looks a thousand times better than with what you'd call "visionary architecture elements" (I'd call the ring and the spire uglifying elements)

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ESB looks far too small in that photo :O
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Old March 6th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #30495
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It looks small because it's not in Downtown but in Midtown.

@Charles You mean the roof? The roof is where the slanted sides are coming together. How could they make the roof higher, the tower is nearly topped out.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #30496
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It looks small because it's not in Downtown but in Midtown.

@Charles You mean the roof? The roof is where the slanted sides are coming together. How could they make the roof higher, the tower is nearly topped out.
I know that but i didn't think it would look that small.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 07:24 PM   #30497
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I think Kanto is right, it looks much much classier without the "skylon"-esque spire and the napkin-ring type circle of communications equipment surrounding it. Personally I've always thought they looked a bit tacky. The geometries of these elements simply bear no relation to the building they sit on, looking like add-ons rather than integral parts of the design.

I do agree that it would be shameful to lose the symbolism of the height the spire added. I can only hope that they decide to redesign the spire into something more elegant and in keeping with the rest of the building which is turning out beautifully. Putting a bare, Conde-Nast type structure on top CANNOT be an option.

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Old March 6th, 2012, 07:54 PM   #30498
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ESB looks far too small in that photo :O

I think that ESB looks pretty big in that picture. I think its very wide looking.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #30499
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The pic above with WTC1 without its spire is just awful. WTC1 needs its spire. It will look plain and thristy for attention. Spires is what completes a buildings character. Its like us, without a head we will be plain looking, blind, and no character to speak in volumes. That spire gives 1WTC all of the above, including a mouth piece and eyes looking for away to the horizon. The ESB originally was only suppose to be built to the 86th observation deck with no steel spire, but I think the governor at the time said it needed to built higher to represent this city, state, country and the world. Now imagine if it didnt had its spire. It would just look like another tall for nothing building. Buildings that shouldn't need a spire is the NYT and BOA buildings. They already have a character, their spires just look like a over dress hat.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #30500
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People need to actually read the WSJ. But for those who didn't for whatever reason.

THE SPIRE IS NOT CANCELLED.

What is being redesigned is the outer, essentially casing of what is an entirely mechanical antenna that would look like the original WTCs spire. Completely mechanical.

What it looks like is happening is the spiraling enclosure that hides the hideous mechanical antenna is being redesigned because the material the one weve seen, would be made of a material that would need to be maintained, which is a tough to do.

I have an incredibly hard time believing that SOM is not going to fight this. I would imagine that SOM will design a new enclosure for the antenna that works with the tower instead of having a metal pole plopped on top. Read the article before. Otie posted some great renders a couple pages back which show what is happening.
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