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Old January 8th, 2018, 04:06 PM   #321
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And those SCG stats were for a year vs Pakistan.
182,349 this year for the Ashes.
Next year vs India probably won't be far behind.

Sadly I suspect Allianz Stadium does have some issues (even if the Trust is no doubt pushing reports to meet its own ends).

And as well as any rust/safety issues it's no longer a modern stadium and fails in terms of corporate facilities, food outlets, access and egress, accessible access and seating, media facilities and team facilities. No doubt some of these things could be fixed by $$s, but for all of them a new stadium is likely cheaper.

The problem with ANZ is the size of the spend (on what is under 20yo) combined with the spend on Parramatta/Western Stadium which is geographically next door.
For your regular NRL games even after reconstruction ANZ is still going to be a cavernous hole (almost everyone sits in seats close to the field for regular NRL games so can hardly complain about being a long way from the pitch)

Personally I think ANZ should be kept as is for now, but only used as a special event stadium for big games and concerts.

Make it a permanently rectangular, but then have a 20-yr plan to renovate a side at a time (much like the current MCG was renovated in two halves)

Wanderers and Parra/Wests/Canterbury/Souths/St.George should play out of the new Western Sydney Stadium in Parramatta, possibly with some Souths/Wests (Balmain) games played at Allianz (which is closer to their historical hq) as well where you need 3 games in Sydney on a given weekend, and ANZ can be used for finals, Origin, and blockbuster (if regular season NRL ever reaches that again) games.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 11:49 AM   #322
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And here comes tennis for that Government coin.

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Sydney needs tennis upgrade to host World Teams Cup, says ATP
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Sydney's tennis facilities are in urgent need of an upgrade according to the ATP, which sees Australia as a potential host nation of its revamped World Teams Cup in Australia from 2020.

Singapore, China and the United States are all believed to be vying for the right to stage the event when it returns to the men's calendar for the first time since 2012, but Australia looms as the most logical location for the season-opening tournament that is set to become the key lead-up to the Australian Open.

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The proposed World Teams Cup is envisaged to be the biggest tennis event on the globe outside of the four grand slams, with 24 countries to be represented by most of the world's top 100 players in a round-robin format culminating in a three-day finals series. A decision on the host nation isn't expected until at least March.

Securing the World Teams Cup could hinge on the NSW Government significantly improving Sydney's tennis facilities, which have laid stagnant at Olympic Park since the 2000 Games. Should Australia be awarded the tournament, the ATP believes Sydney should host the final given its standing on the global stage.

Ken Rosewall Arena, which has a capacity of about 10,000 and is hosting the Sydney International this week, doesn't have a roof, or the required corporate and player facilities to host a premier ATP event.

Brisbane and Perth are ATP standard while a redeveloped arena in Adelaide was announced earlier this week, which places Sydney beneath that trio and Melbourne in terms of tennis infrastructure.

The NSW Government conducted a feasibility study last year into the need for a multi-use indoor arena in the city, and says it will consider constructing one "in due course" as part of its broader stadia strategy.

In November the Gladys Berejiklian government announced $2 billion worth of funding to rebuild Allianz and ANZ Stadiums, while construction on a new stadium at Parramatta is already underway.

A multi-purpose indoor arena that could seat up to 12,000 people and be used for concerts alongside tennis, netball, basketball and a range of other indoor sports would cost an estimated $400 million, although that figure could change substantially.

No public timeframe has been set on any potential new indoor arena, but the ATP is hopeful their revamped World Teams Cup will be ready to resume its place on the tennis schedule in two years.

That leaves Australia at risk of missing out on the tournament with the ATP keen to use Sydney to showcase the event.

"It would be very important for Sydney to have a facility that is up to the highest standard of our sport and especially up to the highest standards of other locations in Australia," the ATP's chief player officer Ross Hutchins told Fairfax Media.

"If we do send this event to Australia and we are able to secure an agreement, we'd want to be in Sydney but the board and management and certainly the ATP require the levels to be very very high, and higher than what they are currently."

Tennis NSW has held positive discussions with sports minister Stuart Ayres over the past year about the need to improve the city's facilities, although that dialogue is yet to progress into a planning phase.

A second option is to upgrade the current tennis facility at Olympic Park at far less cost, before ultimately moving into the proposed indoor arena. That possibility was floated two years ago at the cost of $50m, but is yet to eventuate.

Alison Lee, the ATP's executive vice president international group, said Sydney's tennis facilities were well below standard.

"Sydney's definitely part of the proposal but as we know Sydney's existing venue at Homebush isn't anywhere near up to par with the other venues around Australia," Lee said.

"Tennis in Sydney has been neglected for a long time. We moved out here with the tournament for the Olympics and I don't think anything's been done much to the venue out here since then.

"Something needs to be done certainly in terms of venue as well as investment."

A recent Tennis Australia study concluded hosting the World Teams Cup would inject up to $40m per year into the economy, with more than half of that benefiting Sydney alone.

"We've been making the case very strongly with minister Ayres and his government colleagues that for Sydney to remain a core component of the summer of tennis, really now the time has come for us to invest in a venue," Tennis NSW chief Lawrence Robertson said.

"It's not just about tennis. Tennis brings global icons and our week of tennis reaches over 200 territories worldwide and a global audience reach of over a billion viewers.

"We believe we bring something different to the table than say NRL or the AFL or to some extent even cricket because tennis is a genuinely global sport. Sydney is seen the world over as the global city of Australia."

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/s...09-h0fo61.html
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Old January 10th, 2018, 02:58 AM   #323
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BBL crowds down 14% in 2017-2018... perhaps a flash in the pan, Australians attention spans for sports is becoming increasingly fickle and quick to swap to the next big thing... I personally donít see the BBL sustaining the crowds it currently has had for the next 5 years now that some do the novelty has worn off.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 10:32 AM   #324
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There's a specialist tennis complex in Melbourne, why should Sydney waste it's money on one as well when there's no hope of hosting the Australian Open anymore? Bring back the rotation system and it might be worth while.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 12:45 PM   #325
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There's a specialist tennis complex in Melbourne, why should Sydney waste it's money on one as well when there's no hope of hosting the Australian Open anymore? Bring back the rotation system and it might be worth while.
It would be a multipurpose arena, not just for tennis. A true replacement for the old Entertainment Centre (though probably more skewed toward sports uses since the ICC Theatre is designed for music/performance events).
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Old January 10th, 2018, 01:10 PM   #326
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Yes, based on the article it would be a new multi-purpose stadium which has long been mooted by the NSW Government but appears to have been put on the backburner in recent times because of ANZ Stadium and Allianz Stadium.

If Sydney is to host a significant tennis event in future, I see alternative options however.

As the article mentions, Ken Rosewall Arena can be upgraded with a new roof, corporate facilities and improved player facilities to the tune of $50 million. This would likely be a short-term solution for the event which would also provide a weather-proof stadium for the Sydney International (which is likely to continue in the form of a women's event should the World Teams Cup come to fruition), and strengthen Sydney's ability to host Davis Cup and Fed Cup ties throughout the year.

If this is not sufficient for the World Teams Cup, surely the Sydney Super Dome would be? The Super Dome hosted the 2001 Tennis Masters Cup and is larger even than Rod Laver Arena (it has seating capacity for 18,200 people). If the event was hosted at the Super Dome, it would mean Ken Rosewall Arena and the existing tennis centre could continue to host the Sydney International women's event at the same time.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 02:04 PM   #327
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Australian Open is the big tennis tournament and that isn't moving, the remaining torments and fixtures don't justify any major investment in new facilities.

Whats wrong with Qudos Arena anyway, I was there last year and it seems a fantastic faculty.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 02:40 PM   #328
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No one is suggesting the Australian Open should be moved. Honestly, it's the best attended tennis tournament in the world with the best facilities in the world. And it's held in the school holidays which is a perfect time of year to stimulate activity at the grassroots level.

It seems you agree TOCC, the Super Dome is a logical venue for the World Teams Cup if Ken Rosewall Arena is deemed unsuitable, and investment in a roof and improved corporate and player facilities is not forthcoming.

If by "major investment" you meant the $400 million, 12,000-seat venue quoted in the article I posted, I am inclined to agree with you.

However, it's worth pointing out the number of events that will take place in the three tennis stadia at Melbourne Park after the Australian Open. This proves that money can be spent on tennis stadia that support year round use and other events. 15,000-seat Rod Laver Arena has 17 events scheduled in the 13 weeks to the end of April 2018, 10,500-seat Hisense Arena has 14 events scheduled in the 13 weeks to the end of April 2018, 7,500-seat Margaret Court Arena has 15 events scheduled in the 13 weeks to the end of April 2018.

My preferred option would be to see $50 million spent on upgrading Ken Rosewall Arena however. It's not yet 20 years old and a roof and improved corporate and player facilities (with a capability to host other events throughout the year) would give the venue a new lease on life, and allow it to tap into what will be a big local population at Sydney Olympic Park, Rhodes, Wentworth Point and around Parramatta Road...and in time it will become significantly more accessible with the construction of Sydney Metro West and Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2.
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Qudos Arena is an excellent indoor venue. Also houses Sydney's basketball and netball teams. It is ranked as good as any other Australian indoor venue, and is the highest attended indoor venue in Australia every year. Also ranked highly on a global scale. I always found it better as a concert venue than the old entertainment centre in Haymarket.

Of course the tennis can be played there if needed. If Melbourne had a venue like this they would be telling everyone about it. But most Sydneysiders are oblivious to it. Sort of shows the difference in the mentality of each city. Sydney is hopeless at selling itself, and most people in this city couldn't care less anyway.

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Why doesn't the private sector pay for this?

We don't have Government built Shopping Centres.
Imagine if Victorians had this approach to their stadia.

There'd be no MCG, no Docklands stadium, no Melbourne rectangular stadium, and all sporting events would be played in suburban parks or the decrepit Olympic Park.
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BBL crowds down 14% in 2017-2018... perhaps a flash in the pan, Australians attention spans for sports is becoming increasingly fickle and quick to swap to the next big thing... I personally donít see the BBL sustaining the crowds it currently has had for the next 5 years now that some do the novelty has worn off.
Good to hear, I personally can't stand the gimmicky hit-and-giggle nature of the BBL, right down to the fluorescent kits and the crowd cheering for every 6s hit including by the opponents.

(yeah I'm a bit bitter about the BBL stealing the thunder from the A-League as the family event to attend over the summer)
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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/former-v...11-h0gvn9.html

And now a word from Jeff Kennett....
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What Kennett says is right in that Melbourne chased large sporting events in the early 90's. They took the F1 Grand Prix of Adelaide, and took back the Moto GP from Sydney. They also upgraded their tennis facilities to make sure they could keep hosting the Oz Open.

But in 1993 Sydney won the right to host the Olympic Games in 2000. So there was no need to chase sporting events at the time. They had the biggest one on the planet coming their way. Melbourne's proactive attitude around that period was no doubt related to Sydney winning the Olympics.

Sydney still has good sporting infrastructure. Most of the problems are related to technicalities in how some of it is built, as well as transport connections to these places. Things are slowly happening, but as we have seen everything is a long and political process.
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'It's our time, too': Hewitt calls for Olympic Park tennis upgrade - The Sydney Morning Herald
https://apple.news/Awrl6tnV7TR2lLCzvYhbnuA
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Old January 13th, 2018, 04:32 PM   #335
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Was at the tennis tonight. The President of Tennis NSW reported the combined crowd for the Sydney International and Fast4 tennis (held at Ken Rosewall Arena on Monday night) was a miserable 45,000. This is the lowest figure for the Sydney International (let alone when combined with Fast4) since the tournament moved to Sydney Olympic Park in 2000.

The tournament's woes are quite obvious:
1. The heatwave on Sunday last week would have kept many spectators away.
2. The storms + rain on Tuesday afternoon would also have kept many spectators away.
3. The tournament typically suffers from a raft of withdrawals and retirements, which appear to have worn thin with fans. This year was certainly not the worst, but the top seed in the men's field dropped out before the tournament started, and the top seed in the women's field gave a walkover in her quarter final.
4. The quality of the field (on the men's side in particular) has gradually deteriorated. For example the top seed at this year's event was ranked No.22 and with that ranking would have been seeded seventh in the 2001 event.

So how should this be fixed? Tennis Australia needs to stop paying dirt to Sydney if it wants to grow the sport in the country's largest market. An opportunity for Sydney to play a major role in hosting the World Team Cup would be a major shot in the arm for the sport in the city. And if that does not come to pass, Tennis Australia should still look to work with the NSW Government, the City of Parramatta and the private sector to secure funding to upgrade Ken Rosewall Arena and build a new Show Court 1. I think there is a case for switching the Sydney tournament dates and the Brisbane tournament dates when you consider Ken Rosewall Arena has virtually double the capacity of Pat Rafter Arena, and therefore the tournament has much more room to grow (but it needs weather-proof facilities and a guarantee of a better field for this to happen).

No doubt sustained residential, commercial and hotel developments at Sydney Olympic Park and in the nearby Carter Street Precinct will help to boost attendances and game-day atmosphere across the sporting venues, as will Sydney Metro West and Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2 when they come online in the 2020s.

And for what it's worth, the crowd was fantastic tonight for De Minaur and Medvedev. I'm something of a tennis-going veteran and for me the atmosphere was second only to Hewitt vs Bjorkman on Rod Laver Arena in the first round of the 2001 Australian Open. It proves that there is a genuine appetite for tennis in Sydney.

The point at 18:45 in the video below stands out most in my mind, Davis Cup/football-esque crowd reaction!

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I went to the Sydney International in 2007 for the first and only time, the tournament featured some well known players including Marcos Baghdatis, Martina Hingis and Sam Stosur.

As a casual tennis fan I want to see the big names and will be staying away from this embarrassing 5th tier event (as per ATP classification). But cue the outrage from people saying we shouldn't upgrade our tennis facilities to become one that is in line with the world standing of our city.
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Itís a 5th tier event because of where it stands in the calendar before the Australian Open.

Tennis is an international calendar, they wonít have two major events directly following each other. Sydney and Brisbane are merely warmup tournaments prior to the open, not all players will play and it will always be subject to players withdrawing over niggling injuries in preparation for the Open.
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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/sydney-s...16-h0j1tk.html

Commentary from Roy Masters on Sydney’s Stadium reconstruction.
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Lol at Homebush "can eventually become a "'critical mass of social infrastructure'"
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Lol at Homebush "can eventually become a "'critical mass of social infrastructure'"
What is so funny about it? Below is the 2030 master-plan. Add to that the planned west metro and light rail. Is there any other place in Australia with more sporting infrastructure in one place, as well as the number of events that take place. Many companies have relocated there and high rise units are being built all around the place.

https://www.sopa.nsw.gov.au/-/media/...--brochure.pdf
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