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Old September 11th, 2005, 05:47 AM   #21
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^ Oh my God! A Greek city with green trees and colorful buildings - you're laughing at me, but I really didn't know, at least not like this. It's perfect. It looks almost like a more random version of Rovinj, and some other northern Adriatic towns in Croatia.

The landscape is more impressive though. Those cliffs, wow. I wouldn't want to be in Italy when those mountainsides tumbled into the sea. How many tsunamis must the centuries have brought?

I wish there were more pictures close-up of the downtown buildings. I'm curious to see how they do look.

Anyhow, this is my favorite Greek city so far (sorry Fira, however you spell it. I just call it Santorini, you'll know which I mean). I can relate to this one, finally! It looks a lot like home.

I said something nice about Greece and I didn't even have to force it.
Well you are looking at Zakynthos) an island in the Ionian Sea which is south of the Adriatic. Zakynthos is right next to the island where I was born- Kefalonia. The Ionian islands are much more lush in general than the Aegean Islands.
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Old September 11th, 2005, 07:02 AM   #22
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^ Oh my God! A Greek city with green trees and colorful buildings - you're laughing at me, but I really didn't know, at least not like this. It's perfect. It looks almost like a more random version of Rovinj, and some other northern Adriatic towns in Croatia.

The landscape is more impressive though. Those cliffs, wow. I wouldn't want to be in Italy when those mountainsides tumbled into the sea. How many tsunamis must the centuries have brought?

I wish there were more pictures close-up of the downtown buildings. I'm curious to see how they do look.

Anyhow, this is my favorite Greek city so far (sorry Fira, however you spell it. I just call it Santorini, you'll know which I mean). I can relate to this one, finally! It looks a lot like home.

I said something nice about Greece and I didn't even have to force it.
Glad to see that you like my home island.

Zakynthos is an Ionian island(the southern most in Greece) and all of the Ionian Islands are much greener than those of the Aegean.

As for the buildings they reflect the Venetian architecture and influance. After Byzantium fell Zakynthos was conquered by the Venetians not the Ottomans so that is why much of our architecture is slightly different than the rest of Greece.

If you are refering to the red roofs on the houses then you should know that almost all Greek cities and towns have red roofs except for the big cities like Athens, Thessaloniki, etc... who have white flat tops.

The Capital of Zakynthos which is just called "Zakynthos" or "Zakynthos City" was actually destroyed in a major earthquake. Only the Agios Dimitrios Church survived the quake, everything else was destroyed. They rebuilt the city just like it was before.

Here is where Zakynthos is located.

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Old September 11th, 2005, 12:08 PM   #23
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@Zorba
thank you for the beutiful photos and welcome to agora.
Μιας και είσαι καινούριος θα σου προτείνω (όπως και σε όλους όταν πρωτοεμφανίζονται ) να ρίχνεις μια ματιά στη σελίδα του Christos7
(categorized archive of greek forum cities)
όπου υπάρχουν σχεδόν όλες οι προηγούμενες σελίδες για κάποια πόλη η περιοχή της Ελλάδας.

Συγκεκριμένα για τη Ζάκυνθο υπάρχουν ήδη 3 threads .

Μην με παρεξηγήσεις σε παρακαλώ απλά πολλές φωτογραφίες έχουν "παίξει" πολλές φορές και καλό θα ήταν να απαναλαμβάνονται πάλι.
Οπότε την επόμενη φορά που θέλεις να κάνεις ένα post για μια περιοχή ρίχνε πρώτα μια ματιά να δεις αν υπάρχει κάποια σελίδα ήδη και τι φωτογραφίες έχει , και αν έχεις κάτι καινούριο τότε δημοσίευσέ το.
καλώς ήλθες και πάλι και καλό φθινόπωρο.


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^ Oh my God! A Greek city with green trees and colorful buildings - you're laughing at me, but I really didn't know, at least not like this. It's perfect. It looks almost like a more random version of Rovinj, and some other northern Adriatic towns in Croatia.

The landscape is more impressive though. Those cliffs, wow. I wouldn't want to be in Italy when those mountainsides tumbled into the sea. How many tsunamis must the centuries have brought?

I wish there were more pictures close-up of the downtown buildings. I'm curious to see how they do look.

Anyhow, this is my favorite Greek city so far (sorry Fira, however you spell it. I just call it Santorini, you'll know which I mean). I can relate to this one, finally! It looks a lot like home.

I said something nice about Greece and I didn't even have to force it.
Thank you Sarajka but i guess your are not a frequent visitor of Agora , otherwise all the last months were posted tons of quality photos of various places and islands of Greece with all the kind of green and landscapes.
Dont stack to Cyclades islands only with their beautiful white-blue combination architecture.
I invite you to explore all the places , starting with a look at the archive of greek forum cities.

More precisely about Zakynthos , it is one of the many green islands (together with all the islands of Ionian sea , the sporades islands in central aegean sea , the north aegean islands of thassos,samothraki,lesbos, chios etc , and many of the south aegean sea islands (mostly dodecannese)...
Also there are many many coastal villages and towns very green with clear waters.
The stereotype of dry land stands for some specific places and only , and usually it is cyclades (but that is why they have this special beauty you cant find somewhere else in the mediterranean).
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Old September 11th, 2005, 04:39 PM   #24
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thank you for the beutiful photos and welcome to agora.
Μιας και είσαι καινούριος θα σου προτείνω (όπως και σε όλους όταν πρωτοεμφανίζονται ) να ρίχνεις μια ματιά στη σελίδα του Christos7
(categorized archive of greek forum cities)
όπου υπάρχουν σχεδόν όλες οι προηγούμενες σελίδες για κάποια πόλη η περιοχή της Ελλάδας.

Συγκεκριμένα για τη Ζάκυνθο υπάρχουν ήδη 3 threads .

Μην με παρεξηγήσεις σε παρακαλώ απλά πολλές φωτογραφίες έχουν "παίξει" πολλές φορές και καλό θα ήταν να απαναλαμβάνονται πάλι.
Οπότε την επόμενη φορά που θέλεις να κάνεις ένα post για μια περιοχή ρίχνε πρώτα μια ματιά να δεις αν υπάρχει κάποια σελίδα ήδη και τι φωτογραφίες έχει , και αν έχεις κάτι καινούριο τότε δημοσίευσέ το.
καλώς ήλθες και πάλι και καλό φθινόπωρο.
Skaros then ime kernoulios. Ime o "Mr.T" omos alaxa to onoma mou. Laio pou afto ine to trito "thread" yia ti Zakynthos yiati ekana thio ala kai tora ine to trito.
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Old September 11th, 2005, 07:49 PM   #25
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^ Oh my God! A Greek city with green trees and colorful buildings - you're laughing at me, but I really didn't know, at least not like this. It's perfect. It looks almost like a more random version of Rovinj, and some other northern Adriatic towns in Croatia.

The landscape is more impressive though. Those cliffs, wow. I wouldn't want to be in Italy when those mountainsides tumbled into the sea. How many tsunamis must the centuries have brought?

I wish there were more pictures close-up of the downtown buildings. I'm curious to see how they do look.

Anyhow, this is my favorite Greek city so far (sorry Fira, however you spell it. I just call it Santorini, you'll know which I mean). I can relate to this one, finally! It looks a lot like home.

I said something nice about Greece and I didn't even have to force it.

Boy oh boy Sarajka....

Check out these topics them, I think you will enjoy them and they will enlighten you a bit more:


More Ionian islands (similar to Zakynthos)


Kerkyra (one of my favorite islands...)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=174304

Kefalonia

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=161554


Nafplio, Peloponnesos (one of my favorite cities)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=232271

Meteora, Thessalia

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=176195

Xanthi, Thraki

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=217566

Samos, Aegean Islands

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=177243

Thassos, Aegean Islands (tons of greenary)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=180834

Mytilini, Aegean Islands (my home island)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=181235

Hydra

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=193444
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Old September 11th, 2005, 08:06 PM   #26
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All of them are wonderful, but this one is amazing I loved it so much...
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Old September 11th, 2005, 08:09 PM   #27
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what a wonderful place you live in, amazing.
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Old September 11th, 2005, 08:50 PM   #28
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Boy oh boy Sarajka....

Check out these topics them, I think you will enjoy them and they will enlighten you a bit more:


More Ionian islands (similar to Zakynthos)


Kerkyra (one of my favorite islands...)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=174304

Kefalonia

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=161554


Nafplio, Peloponnesos (one of my favorite cities)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=232271

Meteora, Thessalia

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=176195

Xanthi, Thraki

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=217566

Samos, Aegean Islands

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=177243

Thassos, Aegean Islands (tons of greenary)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=180834

Mytilini, Aegean Islands (my home island)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=181235

Hydra

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=193444

Ahhh! Your home island is beautiful:



You see, my God! This is what I love! I didn't know Greece really was like this. I thought it was all like...well...you know how I feel about Athens. And it's not because it's Greece, and it's not even that I don't like it so much. I mean, I like cities like Nablus and Amman, etc.

But this is just nice! It's like...more like a place with warm and history and heart and less like a hospital ward.

It's like Croatia, and Bosnia, but different enough that you know it is not in either. It's really good!
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Old September 11th, 2005, 09:30 PM   #29
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The heart, the soul and the vibrancy of a place is not made of RED ROOFTOPS Sarjka ! At least not for me !
One will NOT find the heart, soul and vibrancy UNLESS not willing to go past their own stereotypes, their prejudice, their self inflicted ..propaganda.

ALSO ...

what you may find soulful and beautiful, might leave someone else utterly indifferent. It is all cultural. And also ...Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But projecting our own preferences and judging by our own standards AS IF EXPERTS (be it because of our memories, our upbringing, our religion, or politics, our definition of beauty bacause of the input we get in our homeland, can vary A LOT) the landscape / beauty and ....THE SOUL of other places is - may i say - the least, narrow minded.

And coming back to the thread, I bet a proud inhabitant of a cycladic island could NOT care less for the lack of greenery or the red rooftops. His own home is The most beautiful (in his eyes and the eyes of millions of visitors). It is ALL relative, after all.

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^ Accepting that doesn't change what is...everything good...to us. I can know that someone from London loves it there, doesn't mean that I have to - or that I have to pretend I do to around him.

For me, red rooves and greenery is warm, and friendly, and...it feels like a real home and not some...desert. Like some...dry carcass crawling with human maggots. Likewise someone from Moscow could look at red rooves and green and think...how primitive.

We all have what we like and what we don't like, and we all understand that not everyone feels the same way. But that doesn't mean we all need to feel the same way, that would be boring. I like this side of Greece, you like it all. You like perhaps some side of Bosnia, I like it all. Things like... "Nothing works perfect in Sarajevo, that's what so great about it". You turn on your water and it takes 10 minutes to get warm, you're angry. I do it, it feels like home.

And I won't not love it just because someone else doesn't.
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Old September 11th, 2005, 09:54 PM   #31
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Honestly, Athens does not really represent Greece as a whole as far as the city looks itself. It is a city that had it's historic (neoclassical) areas destroyed, it's a city of mass urbanization and urban sprawl... it's a sea of concrete for the most part. (Although do not get me wrong, it has it's nice parts, it's green areas, it's neoclassical buildings, it's nice suburbs and modern areas, it's coast and beaches)


The picture you posted above can literally be any town in Greece.... The only areas that greatly differs from this are the Clyclades Islands. These are the islands like and around Santorini, they have the white and blue box theme. It's very beautiful in it's own way, but when you go to mainland Greece or the other islands, you find different looks such as red roofs and green villages/towns like the picture.


I am actually suprised you had no idea. You thought all of Greece looked like Athens? Funny enough, speaking in greater terms I think this is a greater reflection of your views on Greek people as a whole. I think you have preconceptions and notions, and have experienced just enough to form an opinion, albeit a negative one. But I think you haven't really tasted Greece nor Greek people. There are plenty of "villages" out there waiting to be discovered, you just haven't discovered them yet. (and I think it would hit alot closer to home than you think...) There is a whole other side of Greece and it's people I don't think you have experienced. Greek people are a passionate people, they are a warm people, they are very tied to family and have a great sense of hospitality. They have big hearts and try to enjoy life.... Each one of us may live or have a house in Athens, but we are all tied to our villages and islands. This is where we go when we have vacation, this is where our families live, this is where the soul of Greece lies. You can see this in any village in Greece. Go to the Ionian Islands if you ever visit again, I garuntee you will love them. Visit Peloponnesos region, go to Naflplio and Ancient Olympia. Visit any town in Central Greece, or Epirus, Macedonia, Thessaly, Thrace.... I think you would be very pleasantly suprised. I will create some new threads and find some more pictures to show you. I really think there is a whole new way to discover Greece you just haven't experienced yet. Maybe it can break some of the stereotypes and ideas you have. This is what these forums are for. We can see new places and learn new things. For example, liek I have learned a whole lot about Bosnia from you. I had my own stereotypes and visions of what it was like, but I experienced something pretty different from the pictures and the willingness to learn, to break those preconcieved ideas. We should all do that and try to learn more about each other, not just the things on the surface that seemingly make us so different.
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^ Accepting that doesn't change what is...everything good...to us. I can know that someone from London loves it there, doesn't mean that I have to - or that I have to pretend I do to around him.
I dont disagree with anything you wrote in your post. BUT there is a slight difference between being prejudiced, biased, simply NOT aware of certain thinks (we cannot KNOW it all) or simply NOT Interested (for all sorts of reasons) and being a self-appointed judge of the beauty or soul of a place.

And I would not have brought it up, if I had not noticed that you seem to stereotypically and rather passionately label places NOT just in terms of beauty (where there can be some element - if only slightly - of objectivity) but also you extend it to far more vague terms like "soul". i find that rather absurd, not productive and pointless.

However, you have every right to do and say what you like.

It just works both ways. What you mind find as soulless, I can also think is the hottest place on earth.

I am in no mission to change anyone's mind (and certainly not yours). Just felt I had to point out the obvious.

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Excellent photos!!! Thanks for sharing them with us By the way, this is the nicest close-up of the famous ship wreck I've seen so far:

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I just viewed these photos of Zakynthos for a second time, and I must say that Zakynthos is quite stunning. I visited there in 2001, against the advice of my cousins who live in Kefalonia lol, remember there is a rivalry between the two neighboring islands.
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http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...ragments*.html

But north of the gulf, the first inhabitants are Greeks called Epirotes....
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http://books.google.com/books?id=9m6...page&q&f=false
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Time to revive the thread. Its a pity for such a beautiful island...

Aerial view of Navagio or Shipwreck Beach



















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