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Old July 30th, 2013, 03:02 AM   #1081
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Hope that cylinder is just indicitive. I was under the impression the landmark tower would look like this. Odd to use such a shape if its probably going to be boxy?

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Old July 30th, 2013, 05:11 AM   #1082
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I think the cylinder is just representitive of the "landmark" tower being designed by HdeM.
I like the increased height of the latest plans, and I think the plans over all are better than before.
Fully agree. This is a masterplan design, not final footprints of the towers, though one can see the overall strategy. My initial impression is that the residential towers, public square and east side park seem well considered, and that it makes sense to keep the large office buildings to the north side. I also feel it makes sense to have the lower buildings around the public spaces to ensure good quality light, with surrounding buildings spaces to permit glimpses of the water and Isle of Dogs context of CW. Primacy is given to pedestrians rather than vehicular traffic, which many will appreciate, though I feel the road layout could be improved.

Overall though this seems the best masterplan yet for the WW site and allows for a mixed development, public spaces and waterside access, particularly on the sunny south side. Also, the development could be built from either west to east, or vice versa, or both at the same time.

It would be interesting if the round "landmark"building which appears to be approx 700ft high were to be designed similarly to Baltimore Wharf.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:05 AM   #1083
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Old July 30th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #1084
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You can see a sneaky shot of the cylindrical ish tower by Herzog de Meuron near the back of the image.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 05:20 PM   #1085
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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:41 PM   #1086
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Seems like they've ditched the original high st. for an old-fashioned central square. The buildings appear to have gotten bigger and taller on average as well.
Yes, very odd that they've ditched the High Street concept, they were trumpeting that a few months ago, and it's very much needed in this area!
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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:52 PM   #1087
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Probably because High Streets are pretty much a dying breed.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #1088
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Probably because High Streets are pretty much a dying breed.
Not in city centers! The malls at canary wharf are thriving...a high street would too.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:03 AM   #1089
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The malls at canary wharf are thriving
My point.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:09 AM   #1090
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Like Oxford Street? Upper Street?

A 'market square' being the public and retail space sounds fine, the only other location like that is Covent Garden.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:10 AM   #1091
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My point.
You prefer malls to high streets? Fair enough...would prefer to see a high street myself though...there will be 4 malls at the wharf once the crossrail station is finished. I don't agree city centre high streets are a dying breed though.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:28 AM   #1092
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You prefer malls to high streets? Fair enough...would prefer to see a high street myself though...there will be 4 malls at the wharf once the crossrail station is finished. I don't agree city centre high streets are a dying breed though.
Isn't a high street just a mall with traffic running down the middle and no roof? The only problem with malls in general is poor integration with their surroundings and the tendency to close at night which obviously a street wouldn't. Both of these issues are easily fixed if the developer actually wants to. Anyway, this is neither a mall or a high street, but a public square. Best of both worlds? Except when it rains.




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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:30 AM   #1093
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and the famous Wharf gales
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:31 AM   #1094
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You prefer malls to high streets?
I didn't say anywhere that I did. But you only have to look at the success of the Westfields and covered malls compared to 'local' high streets up and down the country to see what people prefer. Even One New Change, a 24 hour open access 'mall' of streets, is berated for being open to the elements and not climate controlled. People want comfort and space, not to be hemmed into a space between shop walls and a road of traffic.

A market square sounds interesting, although I imagine it's not so much a market square but a regulation gathering point for fire evacuations of the surrounding tall buildings, a reason why Montgomery Square is not the animated space it should be in the Wharf, because this end of the Estate uses it to gather staff in the event of an emergency.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:47 AM   #1095
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Local high streets are going through a structural change, certainly the smaller ones here in London. They're becoming dominated by food and drink outlets, whether cafes, restaurants, bars/pubs, delis, specialist shops, Tecso metros, etc, with the usual local service providers, like banks, completing the list. Kentish Town is a classic example.

Bigger ones have long been a mix of mall and high street (i.e. Wimbledon, Ealing, old Stratford), and in a lot of cases both are struggling, suggesting that mall vs. high st. claim is rather false. Many offer outdated and/or small units, and retailers are always keen to cut costs. As such, it makes sense to move outlets into fewer but larger units, especially in London. Indeed, Oxford Street is thriving, as are other streets in central London, and it's noticeable that the place is becoming home to more and more larger stores.

What's happening then is not a move towards malls because people prefer them but consolidation.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:56 AM   #1096
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Hmmm, I suppose it's a bit of street life and urban grain that I'm after. Maybe 'high street' isn't the right expression.

Canary wharf is so bland and sterile in places, and I thought they had a good plan for wood wharf...will need to see more detail on the ground and first floor level uses before I get too disappointed.

I do like the way the dockside towers are set at slight angles, will make for more interesting spaces.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:07 PM   #1097
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This new masterplan looks good to me, Allies and Morrison have a good track record and its pleasant to see interesting roofscapes presented not just large extrusions on the lower buildings. Hopefully too this new section will be a mix of glass and masonry not just glass which is the big failure of newer eastern quadrant of Canary wharf. I would hope too there is some scope for some form of cultural building, it will make the world of difference to just a retail led scheme.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 01:37 AM   #1098
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so what's happening with that? What are they waiting for?
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Old August 7th, 2013, 02:03 AM   #1099
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so what's happening with that? What are they waiting for?
Financing probably.
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London's Marina City??
There's currently lots of adverts featuring these buildings for going to see Chicago's towers around London. I noticed one in Nine Elms development area but one near the unremarkable tower in Deptford
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