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Old February 13th, 2014, 12:18 PM   #281
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Bid race begins for £700m Chinese towers on South Bank

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Contractors are gearing-up for the fight to build a £700m luxury hotel and residential twin tower development on London’s South Bank for Chinese property giant Dalian Wanda.

The Enquirer understands that prequal documents are due out next month.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 12:46 PM   #282
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I wonder if they'll do anything about all of that white cladding.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 01:25 AM   #283
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I wonder if they'll do anything about all of that white cladding.
Urgh? What are you talking about?
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Old February 14th, 2014, 10:07 AM   #284
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Urgh? What are you talking about?
The chunky white cladding that could make these towers look plasticky and cheap
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Old February 14th, 2014, 10:18 AM   #285
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Well, we just don't know unless you contact the Chinese developers! But without information on materials, your guess is as good as mine. Personally I like the geometric Mondriaanesque look of the grid and as it's by KPF I reckon you have no need to worry.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 01:13 PM   #286
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I like the design. From a distance in the renders, I think it looks good. But it would be good to see such prominent cladding look really top quality. Chunky lines of white criss-crossing the building might look too much.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 09:34 PM   #287
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Preparation for demolition (or at least a strip-out of some sort) of the current Market Towers building seems to have started.

As of this week, the site has been fully hoarded off from the street (adding to the previous hoarding round the south side of the site), and a couple of guys were busy chopping back the dense foliage that has grown up over the last few years in the unused area between the base of the building and Wandsworth Road.

Several windows on the podium seem to have been removed and replaced with temporary-looking larger openings.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 10:51 PM   #288
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Yup - it's all over for Market Towers. Soft strip underway - the new openings are being used to chuck out the contents of the building. The other side of the building seems to house an office full of plans and diagrams, Club Colloseum is (by the look of it) still open, and the power remains on - so there may be some life yet for the poor building - but not much.


The beginning of the end for Market Towers in Nine Elms by Swissdave, on Flickr

Old Market Tavern sign (Courage, presumably with 'Market special' crack of dawn opening hours, given it was within the market) is now visible...


Market Tavern, Market Towers, Nine Elms / Vauxhall by Swissdave, on Flickr
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Old February 27th, 2014, 11:04 PM   #289
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Great news! Something is finally happening; Do you know if they have submitted the amendments to the planning application already approved.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #290
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sorry Swissdave, I can't bring myself to like your posts, because I'm fond of Market Towers ...but thanks for the update! hehe
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Old February 28th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #291
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One Nine Elms, Sky Gardens and Sainsbury's going up at once, then as these are finishing off we'll see Vauxhall Square and Bondway going up. And probably after those Keybridge House, Covent Garden Towers and the Island Site. Going to be an interesting few years round here.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #292
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The Market Tavern was a renowned gay club before widespread late opening of bars. It had a late (and early morning) licence due to it orginally being intended for the market traders. It was evidentally a great club as this description bears out:

On a Saturday night, after the Vauxhall Tavern closed, with spirits
high, it was not unusual for the party crowd to cross the street and
visit the Market Tavern at Nine Elms. There were two bars; the front bar
included a dance floor and welcomed the dance set, while the back bar
was more cruisy and heavy with a leather and clone element. The bar was
usually manned by Michael Edwards, a typical clone image, with muscle
tee-shirt and leather jeans. It was in the Market Tavern, one Friday
night, that I had the pleasure of meeting Freddie Mercury, and we had a long chat,
much to the dismay of his bouncer boyfriend.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 09:19 PM   #293
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What is the time scale on these towers, start dates etc.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 07:23 PM   #294
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^ Interesting find EB - digging around online it seems this place had a more interesting and active history to it that I thought. I assumed it had closed way back (and it definitely seemed overgrown) - though there is clearly some regret online at its passing.

There was until recently a mysterious branch of the major Spanish bank BBVA buried in the lower levels (almost inaccessible, at the end of an intimidating lower level walkway, and with virtually no signage - heaven knows who used it). It relocated about a year ago to an inner courtyard of the St George Wharf development across the road - still a very obscure location indeed, but far more visible than when it was based in Market Towers. Although ubiquitous in Spain there are only three BBVA branches in London - one is in Knightsbridge, one in the City, but I have absolutely no idea why one is in Vauxhall (my best guess is to serve the quite large Portuguese expat community based in western Stockwell? Not that I think BBVA is that big in Portugal).

SK - yes, I'll also miss Market Towers. The new project here is quite a 'spectacular', but it seems a shame to be losing what is (if you look beyond its current state) quite an elegant building with potential, that has sadly been a bit neglected form the start. It's the only trace of the ambitious 1970s plans for a Vauxhall cluster of towers (which I'm still trying to find ore about - not so easy when it predates the internet).

I also rather like (NB controversy alert!) nearby Keybridge House - imagine it cleaned up and reglazed, and there's actually quite an interesting piece of brutalist design going on - it was definitely designed rather than just chucked together, and I suspect that at the time it was done to a high spec.

Danmont - yes, they have submitted an application for what are described as 'minor-material' changes, and the notifications are taped to the nearby lamp posts. This building (almost uniquely in Vauxhall) happens to be in the London Borough of Wandsworth, which means (yay!) all the details are on Wandsworth's much superior and freely accessible planning website. The changes are -
  • To recook the hotel layout to fit the specific requirement of a particular (unnamed) 5 star operator - e.g. number of parking spaces, basement layouts and size
  • Changes to the location of the next door development's towers, and to the roads and phasing of this project, to fit together with the simultaneous redevelopment of the market next door (this scheme was consented on the same evening, and the developers were specifically asked to work together to do this)
  • Tweaks to pedestrian crossings on the Wandsworth Road
  • Viewing gallery split into two
  • Changes to the cladding of the hotel section

The application number is 2014/0871. Direct link here (click the 'view documents' link; the design and access statements are usually the most interesting to see, though this one is a veritable mammoth with 28 sections and 4 addenda).

But for those who haven't used it, the rather good map interface is here - with Vauxhall being at the top right hand corner of the borough. Purple denotes live applications, but everything is clickable, and reams of documents are accessible. Application 2013/2944 suggests the roads, as well as the buildings, are set to change in the vicinity of the tower...
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I also rather like (NB controversy alert!) nearby Keybridge House - imagine it cleaned up and reglazed, and there's actually quite an interesting piece of brutalist design going on - it was definitely designed rather than just chucked together, and I suspect that at the time it was done to a high spec.
While I like the scheme proposed for Keybridge House, I too am quite fond of it, and will be sad to see it go, when it inevitably does.
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While I like the scheme proposed for Keybridge House, I too am quite fond of it, and will be sad to see it go, when it inevitably does.

Me too. I made a 'neutral' comment on the planning application calling among other things for a design that included both the new tower to be build and the existing tower to be retained at the same time. Some changes would have to be made: new and much better glazing for instance, as well as a thorough clean. But imagine how cool the double height floors would be as flats. They'd also make for cool office space, especially with exposed piping etc, to match the style of the building. Shame they decided it had to go. It's the sort of the building that would have had a good chance of being listed in 25 years when brutalism is finally fully appreciated.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #298
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Losing the skybridge is a real shame.
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Do they need to wait for approval again now?
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Losing the skybridge is a real shame.
Agree. I also dislike the fact that random aspects have appeared in the cladding, whereas before it was refreshingly regular and formal. There also appears to be a loss of permeability through the site, with the lower blocks adjoining the main tower instead of being entirely separate. Why do they have to mess it about? It's still nice, but I like it less than before.
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