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Old February 3rd, 2010, 01:06 AM   #1
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Electric train traction in Denmark

As I know until Mid of Ninties the only railway owned by the national Danish rail company, which runs electrically were the suburb trains of Copenhague. Then electrification with AC 25 kV 50 Hz started, although AC 15 kV 16.667 Hz would have been better as it would have allowed electric trains to run from Narvik to Domodossola. What other train systems in Denmark run electrically? Are or were there privately owned railway companies in Denmark operating electrified railways? Are or were there in Denmark electric train systems only for cargo transport e.g. in quarries?
Which Danish towns still operate a tramway system?
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 01:55 AM   #2
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As far as I know only the part of the "main line" from Copenhagen to Fredericia and south towards the border is electrified. There are (and has been) plans in many years to do the same north towards Århus/Aalborg and also west towards Esbjerg I think, but until now nothing has happend. Some of the other forumers probably know more about this.

There's no tramlines in Denmark right now, but they're planning on in Århus. There has also been some talk about one in Odense, not sure how serious that is. Both Copenhagen and Århus used to have tram systems, but they were closed many years ago. Think that's the only two cities, althoug not sure.
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 07:45 AM   #3
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Here´s is the present electrificated main lines in Denmark. In connection with the new trainline south around Esbjerg, the line between Lunderskov and Esbjerg C will be electric, according to local news.



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Old February 3rd, 2010, 11:57 AM   #4
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There also used to be trams in Odense (from 1911 - 1952)
Århus (from 1884-1971)
Copenhagen (from 1863 - 1972)

According to wiki the plans in Århus are for a lightrail network. Same goes for Odense and a ring 3 around Copenhagen.
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 12:20 PM   #5
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But why are there so few electrically operated railway lines in Denmark? Are there no electrical operated industrial railways in Denmark?
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 04:43 PM   #6
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Because the rail network is outdated. Don't know what you mean by industrial railways?
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 05:40 PM   #7
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But why are there so few electrically operated railway lines in Denmark? Are there no electrical operated industrial railways in Denmark?
What's wrong with diesel powered trains?
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 08:54 PM   #9
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@ØlandDK: An industrial railway is a railway only used for good transport of a certain company. In Germany these are the railways used by mining companies, e.g. for transporting lignite to power plants. Such railways can be also found in quarries often in narrow-gauged version.
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 09:24 PM   #10
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Not much mining going on in Denmark. In general not much heavy industry. And therefor no industrial railways.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 12:10 AM   #11
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I believe peat mining takes place in Denmark. And peat pits sometimes operate or operated narrow gauge railways for peat transport. So do or did peat mines with own railway exist in Denmark?
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It's was mostly during the two world wars peat was used in Denmark (as fuel), since coal was very difficult to get at that time. It's not used as fuel anymore, only for some kind of fertilizer and in the gardening business. On this site there's a few old photos showing these small railway systems, I strongly doubt any of them are in use anymore though...and they probably haven't been for many years.

Pretty much the same storey can be told about lignite. There was a huge production during the wars, and I'm sure the biggest "mines" had their own rails too. One of the biggest, Søby Brunkulslejer, is just some 10-15 south of Herning where I live, I think I've seen some photos with small rail lines. The production ended in 1970.
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In connection with the new trainline south around Esbjerg, the line between Lunderskov and Esbjerg C will be electric, according to local news.
This must be a misunderstanding; I have never seen, heard or read anything on this from more reliable sources than Ugeavisen Esbjerg.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 08:34 AM   #14
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This must be a misunderstanding; I have never seen, heard or read anything on this from more reliable sources than Ugeavisen Esbjerg.
Kim Mortensen, MF (Soc) member of trafikudvalget is qouted for this.:

"Elektrificering
Samtidig bekræfter Transportministeren beslutningen om en godsbane til Esbjerg og at den kan gennemføres samtidig med en fremrykning af beslutningen om at elektrificere strækningen til Esbjerg. Det betyder at man allerede om cirka to år kan komme i gang med både elektrificering og godsbane til Esbjerg havn, oplyser Kim Mortensen."



It´s also the first time i see this info, but if you doubt his information, you could contact him.

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Old February 4th, 2010, 09:04 AM   #15
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c. Strategisk analyse af elektrificering af banenettet

Parterne er enige om, at målet er, at jernbanen på sigt skal gøres uafhængig af fossile brændstoffer.

En yderligere elektrificering af jernbanenettet vil kunne medføre lavere CO2-udledning fra togtrafikken, bedre adgang til indkøb af mere standardiseret togmateriel og mindre afhængighed af olieleverancer.

Elektrificeringen bør afvente signalprojektet, som vil billiggøre investeringerne, fordi man sparer tilpasning af de nuværende signalanlæg. En elektrificering vil således blive markant fordyret, hvis den gennemføres, før Banedanmarks signaler er udskiftet. Det betyder, at yderligere elektrificering vil være aktuel fra omkring 2020.

Parterne er enige om at afsætte 10 mio.kr. til udarbejdelse af en samlet strategisk analyse af en yderligere elektrificering af jernbanenettet, herunder de økonomiske konsekvenser, sammenhæng med materielanskaffelser og en mulig gennemførelsesplan.

På strækningen Lunderskov-Esbjerg er de nuværende signalanlæg tilpasset gennem en såkaldt immunisering. Mulighederne for at fremrykke en elektrificering af denne strækning vil derfor indgå i den strategiske analyse. Den strategiske analyse fremlægges i 2011.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 09:34 AM   #16
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To your information, Banedanmark closed down Esbjerg Banegård from mid november to mid december last year, and replaced all signals, so everything here is state of the art. In connection with the "Financial Crisis" i guess they have forwarded some investments, and the timeschedule Kim Mortensen is talking about (2 years from now), is fully in line with your find.

But once again, if you doubt his information, contact him.

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Old February 4th, 2010, 10:34 AM   #17
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I just don't see the logic (following various discussions on these matters). Why would they go ahead and hasten the electrification of Esbjerg/Lunderskov - a project that will probably cost well over a billion DKR - just because of Esbjerg Havn getting a more, but rather short, direct single-track link meant for freight trains? And now related to what you mentioned, the fact that parts of Esbjerg Banegård has received an update on signals and tracks?

Is that enough in order to go ahead - over ten years ahead of time (as the stretch of Esbjerg/Lunderskov will be one of the latest having the new signals system installed (although is has received immunization) - with an investment of over 1 billion DKR?
When the decision was made to hold on to IC4, well, that also meant that the stretch to Esbjerg will be - mainly - served by diesel trains for a long time.

I guess we will have to wait until the strategic analysis is ready in 11 - which is another reason why I don't understand Kim Mortensen being able to come forward with that comment at all.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 01:57 PM   #18
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Not much mining going on in Denmark. In general not much heavy industry. And therefor no industrial railways.
The only thing I can think of, is the track that goes to NKT in Brøndby. That looks like a seperate track line and it goes directly into their factory area...
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I just don't see the logic (following various discussions on these matters). Why would they go ahead and hasten the electrification of Esbjerg/Lunderskov - a project that will probably cost well over a billion DKR - just because of Esbjerg Havn getting a more, but rather short, direct single-track link meant for freight trains? And now related to what you mentioned, the fact that parts of Esbjerg Banegård has received an update on signals and tracks?

Is that enough in order to go ahead - over ten years ahead of time (as the stretch of Esbjerg/Lunderskov will be one of the latest having the new signals system installed (although is has received immunization) - with an investment of over 1 billion DKR?
When the decision was made to hold on to IC4, well, that also meant that the stretch to Esbjerg will be - mainly - served by diesel trains for a long time.

I guess we will have to wait until the strategic analysis is ready in 11 - which is another reason why I don't understand Kim Mortensen being able to come forward with that comment at all.
well I think its exactly because it has already been immunized ( whatever that means) that it makes sense.

The work is half-way done, making the completion much quicker and somewhat cheaper and there is little reason to wait unlike in the rest of the country, where savings can be made by combining the installation of new signals with immunization.
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