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Old February 2nd, 2007, 02:06 PM   #1
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Athens Skyscrapers - Highrises and Modern Architecture 2: The Re-Load



PLEASE NOTE: This is a continuation of the original thread called "ATHENS SKYSCRAPERS AND HIGHRISES: A CHRONICLE - The DEFINITIVE Tread". At the time of this writing, the old thread was to be locked having reached the number of 500 replies as per this forum's regulations.

If you are looking for information about what happened to the idea of building tall in Athens, Greece, or what are the tall buildings (in fact there are some 50 of them ranging between 12 to 28 floors) in Athens, or even more, if you want to see some exclusive photos about the ones proposed in the 1970s but were NEVER built, or the ones proposed during 2006, thus reviving the interest about tall buildings in Greece, you definitely need to visit that thread. What you will get is a (hopefully) comprehensive report about the general attributes of the story. For the ones in a hurry, I re-post here the contents of the previous thread, in case the items listed quickly match any of their particular points of interest:

Previous Thread Highlights: (click on linked words)

1. Main article on Athens Skyscrapers and Highrises: As per post #1, original thread.

2. First skyscraper proposal for Athens after 30-years. The three space-age towers proposed for the West of Athens by architect Manolis Anastasakis. First post HERE, on page 18, major update with more background, diagrams and drawings HERE, on page 25 (last page).

3. Piraeus Tower (Piraeus Trade Centre Tower), a 24-storey tall ghost building, relevant post HERE, on page 20

4. Thessaloniki highrises and tall structures - A first overview HERE, on page 20. Includes reference and links to the three 36 storey- 165m highrises proposed by the architects Vandoros and Kondylis for the West of Thessaloniki (Lahanokipi area)

5. Second proposal for Athens/ Piraeus metro area in Drapetsona / Lipasmata area (the old fertilizers factory), relevant post HERE, on page 20.

6. The Top-20 of Athens buildings heights HERE, also on page 20.

7. Athens Tower - A close look at the only REAL Athens Skyscraper!!! HERE, on page 21.

8. Athens Skyscrapers Video - e-rooster episode 3, HERE, on page 24.

9. ΝΕW!!! (EDIT 27 Dec 2009) Video from the demolition of the incomplete Red Cross Hospital that was demolished in March 2006. Click HERE to watch.


Additional Websites for original article (post #1)

The article is now included in http://www.e-rooster.gr, following a kind invitation by the site's administrators. E-Rooster is a website dedicated to free and liberal thinking. Click HERE to access the same article as is, titled "ALL OUT FOR A TALL ATHENS".

As at February 2006 - Article also available in the new E-rooster site in http://www.e-rooster.gr/06/2005/186

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So, this is our starting point. So, one might ask at this stage: What do we need this thread for?

Well, the answer is simple: The situation in Athens right now is a bit strange, with regards to what constitutes "modern" architecture and especially office and commercial-retail buildings where most architects take the challenge to build tall and big. The existence of many absurd laws has deprived Athens of tallness, whilst up to now, there was not a large number of large properties that would allow for "big" and extended structures. The first "real" shopping and entertainment complexes appeared in Athens in the mid-1990s. To this date, the Greek construction sector has invested in infrastructures and shopping malls, and NOT in office buildings since the absurd laws, everybody knows it - do now allow the construction of anything above 27m as per the revised building code of 1985.

Well, let me tell you that we are at the crossroads. Whilst for 30 years there has not been anything taller than 30m completed in Athens with the exception of the Olympic installations and structures, I can sense some serious considerations on the part of the state as the current asphyxiating conditions deprive Greece from hundreds of millions of investment value due to the absurd laws that practically prohibit almost everything decent without protecting anything in reality.

With this thread we will be monitoring the battlefield for the return of big and tall in a city that taught the meaning of the word "grandeur" to the ancient world. The signs that I pick tell me that something's on the air, something's cooking. Add also the extremely warm reception of anything architecturally novel in Greece, including shopping malls and museums - the two cultural extremes, and welcome to a new world of changes that are long due to take place.

Welcome to the thread of big and tall...
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Cheers on the new thread......i hope this city to go TALL before this thread goes to #500!
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Shouldn't the mod have pruned the other thread to just the previous thread highlights and archived the other posts? Oh well.

I wish for the same thing as prisma!
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I was given clear indication about the rules by the mod so I took the initiative to open the new one in time to make the closing statement and establish the links with this one. I needed to establish forward and backward links as I know that this topic is been monitored by many people who, for reasons of their own choosing (=lack of time for most of the cases), do not actively participate, and who, in any case would like to keep track on how the content develops. I am not talking about forumers but guests and visitors. After all, I can provide an opinion about cities like London and Paris, Istanbul or even NY that I am familiar with, but I definitely can't do the same about China or Indonesia. This does not mean though that I don't keep an eye on the developments there .

As for the rest, we will continue this discussion tomorrow.
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Old February 6th, 2007, 09:50 PM   #5
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OOps!!! NEW Interesting article from the newspaper "To Ethnos" (in Greek)" Tα πλεονεκτήματα των μεγάλων κτιρίων", here ----------> http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?cat...2&pubid=88757#

Όπως λέμε και στα Ελληνικά: Και να θες ν' αγιάσεις δεν σ' αφήνουν οι διαβόλοι!!!
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Έτσι Γρηγόρη, είναι ανάγκη να πληθαίνουν οι φωνές.

Also my best wishes for the new thread
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Η κυρια που ειχε την επιμελεια του αρθρου στο "Εθνος" ειναι δικια μας!!!!! Ή κρυβεσαι εσυ πισω απο το αρθρο Γρηγορη?
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Did you know that a "Greek Highrise Building Convention" took place back in 1975 by T.E.E. (Tεχνικο Επιμελητηριο Ελλαδας)?. You can read about this in an article about tall buildings in Greece (κλικ ον δε λινκ μπιλόου )
http://www.greekarchitects.gr/index....t=22&newid=824

Many different views by Greek architechts, some curious approaches but the most intresting in my point of view is the following (by Alexandros Loizos):

Στην ομιλία του με τίτλο ‘Υψηλά κτίρια και Περιβάλλον’ ο Αλέξανδρος Λοΐζος, αρχιτέκτων μηχανικός, κάνει στην αρχή μια ιστορική και κοινωνική αναδρομή, αναφερόμενος στους λόγους που οδήγησαν την Ελλάδα στην αστικοποίηση και στις επιπτώσεις που είχε αυτή η μεταβολή στην πολεοδομική ανάπτυξη των μεγαλουπόλεων. Είναι αντίθετος με την επιχειρηματολογία που αναπτύχθηκε εναντίον των ψηλών κτιρίων και τη θέση τους στο ελληνικό περιβάλλον και είναι ανοικτός στη δημιουργία ψηλών κτιρίων. Συγκρίνει την υπάρχουσα κατάσταση του πολεοδομικού ιστού με την υπεροικοδόμηση των πολυκατοικιών με μια νέα κατάσταση που θα προκύψει από την ανέγερση ψηλών κτιρίων και καταλήγει ότι για ένα μεγάλο ποσοστό του υπάρχοντος ιστού (80%) το περιβάλλον όχι μόνο δεν πρόκειται να διαταραχθεί, αλλά μάλλον θα καλυτερεύσει. Και αυτό θα επιτευχθεί βέβαια εάν οι ελεύθεροι χώροι που θα προκύψουν από την ανέγερση ψηλών κτιρίων χρησιμοποιηθούν αποκλειστικά για τη δημιουργία πρασίνου και κοινόχρηστων χώρων και θεσπιστούν σωστοί κανονισμοί που να προβλέπουν ικανές αποστάσεις μεταξύ αυτών των κτιρίων, ώστε να υπάρχει επαρκής φυσικός φωτισμός και οπτικό πεδίο. Στη συνέχεια δίνει έναν ορισμό του ψηλού κτιρίου και κάνει μια ιστορική αναδρομή από την εμφάνιση τους στη Νέα Υόρκη μέχρι την εποχή του Συνεδρίου, τους λόγους που οδήγησαν στα κτίρια αυτά, τα τεχνολογικά επιτεύγματα που σχετίστηκαν με αυτά, καθώς και μια ανάλυση για την ευρωπαϊκή ανάπτυξη τους. Μέσα από το παράδειγμα του νεοκτισθέντος τότε John Hancock Building στο Σικάγο, αναφέρεται στη νέα τρέχουσα της εποχής, που είναι η έννοια της πόλης μέσα στην πόλη και τη συγκρίνει με την ανάπτυξη των πόλεων κατά μήκος. Στη συνέχεια προτείνει ορισμένα μέτρα για την ανέγερση ψηλών κτιρίων στην Ελλάδα, όπως η καταλληλότητα των γηπέδων για την ανοικοδόμηση ψηλών κτιρίων και η συσχέτιση τους με τα γύρω χαμηλότερα κτίρια, το τοπίο, το γενικότερο ορίζοντα της πόλης και κυρίως με τη συγκοινωνία. Ύστερα κάνει μια ανάλυση της επίδρασης του περιβάλλοντος στο μέγεθος του ψηλού κτιρίου και προτείνει μια σειρά κοινωνικών, οικονομικών και τεχνικών παραγόντων που επηρεάζουν το μέγεθος του ύψους του κτιρίου. Τέλος αναφέρεται στις ιστορικές πόλεις όπου δεν έχει θέση το ψηλό κτίριο και στην έννοια του προσανατολισμού, ο οποίος ιδιαίτερα για τα ελληνικά δεδομένα παίζει κυρίαρχο ρόλο στο σχεδιασμό ψηλών κτιρίων. Ανακεφαλαιώνοντας παραθέτει συνοπτικά τι πρέπει ή δεν πρέπει να εκπληρεί το ψηλό κτίριο και υπενθυμίζει ότι τόσο σημαντικά για το μέλλον των πόλεων μας ζητήματα δεν πρέπει να εξαρτώνται από τους εκάστοτε υπουργούς ή τα πολιτικά μέσα ορισμένων επιχειρηματιών, αλλά πρέπει να υπάρξει μελέτη από τους ειδικούς με μακρόχρονο προγραμματισμό για τη σωστή ανάπτυξη της χώρας.
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Actually the whole article referring to this link is by one of our co-forumers, namely Mr Alexios Vandoros, one of the architects that proposed the three 36-storey skyscrapers for western Thessaloniki about a year ago.

Mr Vandoros, a 2006 graduate of the architecture department of the Thessaloniki university and already a practicing architect, in the context of his final year dissertation Mr Vandoros made a full statistical, research, the first in Greece, about the degree of acceptance of a new generation of tall buildings by the Greek society.

The URL of the report and the excellent article is here.

http://www.greekarchitects.gr/index....t=22&newid=824

Mr Vandoros was kind enough to mention emporis.com in his list of visual materials sources and I greatly thank him for this, as some of his Athens pics (C) of emporis (and I am the usual suspect who took them ).

The results were interesting. I read the full report yesterday late at night and I was planning to post something today but thank god, I am not the only one vigilant here, Prisma's radar also caught the good news and here we are.

I advise you all to go and read the relevant report which is in Greek. In any case it looks like Mr Vandoros is there to stay in the new section of http://www.greekarchitects.gr . It looks like he is going to be the new "thorn in the eye of the establisnment" (or should I say "the butt" of it? )

Well done Alex. Και πέρνα καμμιά μέρα από εδώ να τα πούμε...

Slowly but surely, the voices for a tall Athens (or taller Greece to put it better) are rising louder by the day...
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Old February 12th, 2007, 02:04 PM   #10
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18-01-2007




ΔΕΛΤΙΟ ΤΥΠΟΥ



ΤΟ ΔΗΜΟΤΙΚΟ ΣΥΜΒΟΥΛΙΟ ΠΕΙΡΑΙΑ ΑΠΟΦΑΣΙΣΕ ΤΗ ΣΥΣΤΑΣΗ

ΔΗΜΟΤΙΚΗΣ Α.Ε. ΑΠΟΠΕΡΑΤΩΣΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΑΞΙΟΠΟΙΗΣΗΣ ΤΟΥ ΠΥΡΓΟΥ ΠΕΙΡΑΙΑ



Ύστερα από εισήγηση του αρμοδίου Δημοτικού Συμβούλου κ. Γιώργου Αξαρλή, το Δημοτικό Συμβούλιο, αποφάσισε χθες βράδυ, τη σύσταση Δημοτικής Ανώνυμης Εταιρείας Αποπεράτωσης και Αξιοποίησης του Πύργου Πειραιά.

Ο Δήμαρχος Πειραιά κ. Παναγιώτης Φασούλας, δήλωσε μεταξύ άλλων: «Η πρωτοβουλία αυτή αποδεικνύει τη βούληση της νέας Δημοτικής Αρχής, για το οριστικό κλείσιμο των εκκρεμοτήτων που υπάρχουν στην πόλη εδώ και δεκαετίες και που αφορούν κυρίως ημιτελή κτίρια. Ο Πύργος είναι ένα τεράστιο περιουσιακό στοιχείο του Δήμου που μένει μέχρι σήμερα αναξιοποίητο, με συνέπεια τη διαφυγή κερδών που θα μπορούσαν να επενδυθούν σε έργα υποδομής στην πόλη μας.»

Η Δημοτική Ανώνυμη Εταιρεία θα έχει ως αποκλειστικό σκοπό τη διαχείριση του έργου αποπεράτωσης και αξιοποίησης του Πύργου .

Αξίζει να σημειωθεί ότι, ο νέος Δ.Κ.Κ. δίνει τη δυνατότητα σύστασης ανωνύμων εταιρειών για την αξιοποίηση της δημοτικής ακίνητης περιουσίας και για την εκμετάλλευση κοινόχρηστων χώρων από τους Δήμους, εισφέροντας το σύνολο του εταιρικού κεφαλαίου.


Σημειωτεων πως, με βαση υπολογισμους απο παλιοτερα σχεδια αποκαταστασης του Πυργου στο Πειραια (j&p Αβαξ) ο δημος θα ειχε εισπραξεις (με 25ετη συμφωνια) 150.000 ευρω μηνιαιως!!! Ελπιζω τωρα οντως κατι να γινει και οχι να μεινουν στα λογια, γιατι εκτος των αλλων ειναι και ΝΤΡΟΠΗ για την πολη (οχι μονο του Πειραια).
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Whats wrong with this building?(Sry but i have no idea)
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You car read more about Pireus Tower here:

http://skyscrapercity.com/showpost.p...&postcount=383

I still wonder though….. This 24-storey building remains on hold due to a technical problem. I assume that this problem may not concern the last floor or two!! Right?
So, who gave the permission for some companies (I think there is an electrical store mainly) to take in, on the ground floor??? Is there any danger in point of the usage of the Tower, finally? If yes (in theory, at least) the authorities should have prohibit ANY activity inside this building!!!!! Of course the Pireus Tower still stands and now there is hope to admire it as a full operating skyscraper within some years from now.
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Geia sou re prisma athanate

Actually, there have been some earlier proposals for this building to be completely re-cladded and renovated as seen by the pics here ---------> http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=242073 and here -----> http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=242074 that I uploaded to emporis, referring to some mid-1990's renders.

Prisma, apart from the electronics store, there is also a school operating in one of the base floors οπότε τι να λέμε...

A renovation of the building would enhance the whole area there. Like I said, I wouldn't mind if they tore it down. On the other hand, if it can be reinforced and/ or repaired / renovated to be inhabited that would be the best. It is strange that they would go to Akti Miaoulis to build some EXCELLENT buildings, then on the other hand, they would let this open wound in the heart of the traditional passenger port, some 300 to 500 metres away.

Anyway, that's good news. Seems like Fasoulas is a good guy. He took action on one of the biggest problems of Piraeus, one that the previous mayors didn't even dare to touch!!! And mark my words, IF they finish it, that is, if they can technically finish it, money will start to pour in the counter from day one.

Δε μπορώ να καταλάβω βρε παιδιά, δεν την πονάγανε οι προηγούμενοι τηνν πόλη τους και αφήνανε το αίσχος εκεί τόσα χρόνια; Τι διάολο, εμένα με τρώει το σκουλήκι που δεν είμαι Πειραιώτης, αυτούς πως τους πήγαινε η καρδιά τους να μην κάνουν τίποτα;

Τέλως πάντων, ας γίνει ότι είναι να γίνει, για καλύτερα θα είναι...
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Ok ty guys i see whats going on now.

So the company that will take action to oparate(renovate?) the tower is j&p Αβαξ, but are they going to make it like this : http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=242073 ?

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J@P-Avax were the ones most likely to do it some years ago. We don't know what mayor Fasoulas will do now and who may be the contractor.

This is what I had announced in emporis back in 2003, regarding the developments on the tower back then:

http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/nc/ne/?id=100817

Reported by Gregory Maloucos

1 April 2003


News: Rumors about long-term lease of Piraeus Trade Center

Piraeus: According to recent announcements in the Greek press(March 28, 2003), the Municipality of Piraeus announced that the 24-storey Piraeus Trade Center will be leased to Avax SA, a Greek Construction Consortium which already possesses a large portfolio of high quality lowrise buildings and completed infrastructure works, including -among others- parts of the new Athens ring road (Attiki Odos), the National Road #1 Athens - Thessaloniki, etc.

This announcement came out following an earlier report (March 27, 2003) in a newspaper's real estate news column where it was stated that the building was to be sold in a public auction so that its present owner, the Piraeus Municipality, can pay off a $9,000,000 debt to Meryll Lynch. However, it appears that the Piraeus Municipality have other plans for this debt's repayment and thus, the building will be otherwise used, after having most of its space devoted to office use remaining idle for many years. The reason or this delay in the completion of the building was attributed to an alleged problem in the overall stability of the building's frame caused by an engineering mistake during the building's early construction stages, back in the early 1970's.

The details of the lease contract, as announced in the press, include a 150,000 euros monthly lease fee for 25 years to be payed by Avax SA to the Piraeus Municipality for the full lease of the building. Avax SA will have to complete the necessary works so that the floors of the building that are for office use will be habitable and occupied as soon as possible.

Still, this announcement does not constitute a definitive agreement between Avax SA and the Piraeus Municipality. However, there has been some mobility lately, especially under the light of the upcoming Athens 2004 Summer Olympics. Chances are however, that the building may not be ready to accept new tenants before the games. In any case, if any type of work is undertaken in the building, this will signify the first time where construction work was undertaken in Greece above the 20-floor mark on any building for over a period of 20 years.


We need to see what it will become of the tower as, like I said, I doubt that the fast-moving J&P Avax are counting on capitalising on this asset, if they have any interests on it today.

Like I said, I don't care to see it demolished since I am not sure whether this building has an engineering mistake, or not, and to what degree it can be repaired. Tearing it down and building something better and taller according to today's standards, safety regulation and earthquake-related building code, would be an acceptable alternative. If, on the other hand, they plan on building an 8-storey conventional glass building with blue glasses, better if they didn't do anything and free this space as an open square between the port and the nearby public market.
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The dilatoriness on the issue of the Pireus Tower is really strange. As i said before it's a shame for the city of Pireus mainly, such an important structure to be on hold for almost 30 years!!!! Personally i felt ashamed when, back in 1996, i asked a friend of mine about this building and he answered me "oh, this one's useless". I went nuts
But dear gm2263 if they demolish it, i doubt if a new building will superpass 7-8 stories nowadays. The law is the law (maybe the only law in Greece taken seriously- about building heights ). In my opinion in such case (a demolishion of this tower) the law should permit an exception as anyway i don't believe that the original licence for the construction of the Pireus Tower
is still valid.
Btw i agree that if repairs on this building are out of the question (who knows)
better be a beautiful square of free space and greenery and maybe an underground parking (like POLIS-PARK).
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NEWSFLASH: Piraeus Tower most likely to be completed before the turn of the decade


Photo above: Piraeus Skyline, September 2006

OK, time to get a close view on this one, as developments seem to take place in a fast pace

After the lapse of almost 30 years to the time of this writing, the Piraeus Tower, the (in)famous incomplete 22-storey tower which stands idle at the port of Piraeus to this day serving as nothing more than an expensive advertisement board mostly for cell phones and alcoholic beverages, may see his completion day just before the end of this decade.

Originally the building was planned to become a business and trade center similar to the ill-fated World Trade Center and be operated in a similar manner by the Piraeus Port Authority. Although the building was planned to serve as an icon signifying the progress Greece was making during the years of the military junta (1967-1974), after the completion of its frame in 1974, it was never fully used apart from the first two floors.

Although in the past there have been many rumors both about the cause of its incomplete construction status, including an engineering mistake or miscalculation that in the event of the undertaking of any further construction work, the unfinished building might allegedly become "structurally unstable" with all the pertinent bleak scenarios, including a spectacular –and massively deadly- collapse becoming a possibility, given the fact that the building is located in the most central location of the port.

A timeline of the various stages of construction to this day include the following events. New information though, suggests though that this is not true. On the contrary, according to the newspaper "Ta Nea", following sources from the municipality of Piraeus, the building is perfectly safe but needs some work to become habitable. The building can be operational just 18 months after the commencement of the completion works!!!.

-1972 to 1974: Preliminary works and topping out of the building (Mayor: Mr Skylitsis)
-1983: Cladding of the external surfaces of the building with glass (Mayor: Mr Papaspyrou)
-1997-1998: Various designs of a completed tower appear in the electronic and printed press. Click HERE and HERE to see some of them.
-2003: As referred to above: Last news about a long-term lease of the building from the municipality of Piraeus to J&P AVAX SA.
-2007: Mayor Panayiotis Fasoulas and the municipal council announce a campaign to definitely complete the tower as soon as possible, as quite rightly so, it is seen as an "open wound" in the most central point in central Piraeus.

Upon completion and ceteris paribus, this building will be the stage for some significant "firsts" for the Hellenic Construction and Architecture industry. Specifically:

-The tower will be the first skyscraper completed in Greece after 1980 (year of completion of Atrina Centre).
-Completion of works on the top floor of the building (has to be 24th floor according to emporis.com floor counting system) will signify first time of completion works undertaken and completed on any building above the 14th floor mark (taking into account that the 14-storey Interamerican Tower in Syggrou Avenue was completed in 2002 and the 14-storey Athens Hilton Hotel as well as the 20-storey President Hotel were completed just before the 2004 Olympics).
-The tower will become the second tallest building EVER completed in Greece. Also, it will be well into the top-10 of all structures ever completed in Greece (as there are some chimneys in Greece measuring some 150-180m - this is reliable info from an engineer friend working in the Public Power Corporation (DEH).

According to the same sources above, a municipal organisation was formed in order to prepare and conduct an international competition to select a contractor to undertake the task of completing the building. The estimated time of completion is 18 months from the beginning of the construction works.

In the course of construction, a new underground parking will also be constructed, using grounds from the nearby historical "Mariners Fund" building (Ναυτικό Απομαχικό Ταμείο). Αlso, the restoration of the area will even expand across the street where a very historical landmark dating back to the middle of the previous century will be rebuilt in the exactly same location it used to be before it was demolished by Mayor Skylitsis in 1972, during the years of military junta. We are talking about the famous "Clock Building" that used to accommodate municipal functions. The building used to have a clock in its top and thus the name, and was used as a meeting point during the pre-and post Second World War years.



After reconstruction, the new "clock" building will accommodate the meetings of the Piraeus municipal council, whilst all other municipal services and functions will move to the tower which is planned to be the absolute landmark of the Piraeus port. Also, part of the planning calls for a cafe/ bar restaurant at the top floor of the tower with a terrace observatory, as, according to the very words of the executive municipal officers "the view from the top is magnificent"

A few posts above there are links that you can access in order to see some pictures of the building, the last ones taken last August. However, I prefer to end this post with an old picture I took aboard the ship "Aptera" prior to sailing for Chania Crete, going for a hell of a vacation .

It is the summer of 1987...



...a romantic era far gone now, except from my memories and photos...

Again, it is a pity that it took so much time to complete it. I wouldn't expect the building to maintain its original shape though. We may need some time to wait for the details to see the light, but not that much according to the municipal authorities. By the end of 2007 the contractor will most likely have been appointed with works to begin in early 2008!!!






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Old February 20th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #18
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Well, those are good news!
Thank you Gregory for keeping us informed.

I used this nice tool to take some measurements:
http://www.acme.com/planimeter/




So, the base area of the tower is 3000 sq.m.. However, the tower gets slimmer to 1.000 sq.m.

GM is reporting 22 floors. I will take 2 of them for the base. So we have a total area of 2*3000 + 20*1000 = 26.000. Let's say 20.000 sq.m of usable office space.
-150.000€ per month is 7.5 € per sq.m.
(750€ for 100 sq.m)


Quite cheap eee?
(well if you accept my bakalistika mathematics)


However, I am wondering why the municipality is not selling but leasing the building?
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Old February 20th, 2007, 10:15 PM   #19
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Actually, "Ta Nea" give us 23,000 sqm so you are on target. As for the rates and all, we will need to follow the news regarding the final bidding. Also, "Ta Nea" talk about the prospect of an observatory on the roof. We will see.

In any case, these ARE good news. As I tend to be a pragmatist, I would say that we have to wait till construction starts.

...in any case, I can see some modilitely lately. It's like trying to cut a large tree trunk. Eventually the tree will fall... And after that, as we say in Greek: "After the oak falls, everybody wants a piece" (Της δρυός πεσούσης πας ανήρ ξυλευόμενος )
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That is great!! Finally!

gm, you always make me laugh with your funny greek sayings. I also like the one about the donkey.
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