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Old December 10th, 2015, 02:53 PM   #21
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The top priority of Malabar should be
1. Kannur - Airport - Iritty - Madikeri - Kushalnagara - Hunsur - Mysore Railway
2. Nilambur - Kalpetta - Sulthan Bathery - Nanjangud Railway
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Old December 10th, 2015, 03:07 PM   #22
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3.(Beypore) - Feroke - Karipur Airport - Malappuram - Angadipuram
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Old December 10th, 2015, 03:11 PM   #23
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The top priority of Malabar should be
1. Kannur - Airport - Iritty - Madikeri - Kushalnagara - Hunsur - Mysore Railway
2. Nilambur - Kalpetta - Sulthan Bathery - Nanjangud Railway
Calicut - Karipur (Airport)- Malappuram- Angadipuram also should be priority, unfortunately politicians don't care. Puthiya Airportlot mathram mathyo connectivity?
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Old December 10th, 2015, 03:16 PM   #24
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Calicut - Karipur (Airport)- Malappuram- Angadipuram also should be priority, unfortunately politicians don't care. Puthiya Airportlot mathram mathyo connectivity?
I support as many as lines, so that we can claim a seperate zone once we cross 1500 km of Rail.

We need at least 3/4 Divisions - TVM, Palakkad, EKM and/or Kozhikode.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 05:27 AM   #25
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Old December 11th, 2015, 06:05 AM   #26
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So one more survey. Oro election udayipp.
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I support as many as lines, so that we can claim a seperate zone once we cross 1500 km of Rail.

We need at least 3/4 Divisions - TVM, Palakkad, EKM and/or Kozhikode.
Puthiya patha undaakiyaal maathram pora...aa nirmicha patha nammude divisionsinte keezhil varanam..... If it goes under Mysore division under SWR, then GOVINDA! Nammal pinnem sasi aakum...... I heard that the proposed Kanhangad - Kaniyoor line would come under Mysore division...
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Old December 11th, 2015, 07:41 AM   #28
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I checked the Memorandum submitted by Kerala CM to Railways Minister at kerlacm.gov.in website (Link is available in Kerala Railway Projects thread, I am unable to post links).

I found the following discrepancies:

1. While talking about the Angamaly-Sabari Railway Line, the document states the below:

In order to avoid passage of the line through the buffer zone of the Periyar Tiger Reserve, and for ease of construction and resultant reduction in cost, the alignment has been fixed at Erumeli instead of taking it up to Azhutha.

Now, in the case of Nanjangud - Sulthan Bathery - Nilambur line, it needs to pass through the core area of Bandipur Tiger Reserve. In one hand, they are saying they do not want to construct rail line in the buffer zone of a tiger reserve and on the other hand, they want to build a line through the core area of another, more important Tiger reserve!

2. For the Angamaly-Sabari Railway Line, the document states:

Railways are requesting that GOK may share 50% of the cost and in reply GOK has informed that this is a continuing project and that the poor financial condition of the State Government prevents it from making such large investments. In the circumstances, Government of Kerala requested Government of India to provide the amount to meet the 50% share of Government of Kerala.

So the GOK is so poor and they cannot share the cost for an important line which was sanctioned 18 years back. Remember, this line connects Idukki to the rail map (the argument for Nilambur - Nanjangode line is that it connects Wayanad to the rail map). We all know that the land for Sabari line has been reserved for over a decade now and the land owners are not able to sell or construct anything on their land currently. So this line is in an advnaced stage but GOK does not want to share costs BUT they are ready to share costs for a line for which there is not even a paper survey finalised!

3. We all read the news in news papers couple of days back that "Nilambur - Nanjangode rail line: MoU to be signed on Dec. 10". There is no mention about the MoU anywhere in the Memorandum.

4. Carefully read the statement of MI Shanavas MP in the news article posted by jaivin above. He is saying "we cannot think that this line is going to be a reality right away....".

Doesn't everything suggest that this is not going to be a reality? Should we waste anymore time discussing it?
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Old December 11th, 2015, 11:39 AM   #29
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All these recent developments seem to be a pre-poll gimmick.
Nilambur-Nanjangud railway line is not going to benefit Malabar at all, and there isn't going to be any significant reduction in journey time to Bangalore even from Central and South Kerala. All that is going to happen is destruction of the last remnants of pristine forests in the Western Ghats, without offering any benefit to anyone.

People from Malabar should press for the revival of Thalassery-Mysore line which has strangely been dismissed as being unfeasible.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 01:29 PM   #30
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All these recent developments seem to be a pre-poll gimmick.
Nilambur-Nanjangud railway line is not going to benefit Malabar at all, and there isn't going to be any significant reduction in journey time to Bangalore even from Central and South Kerala. All that is going to happen is destruction of the last remnants of pristine forests in the Western Ghats, without offering any benefit to anyone.
True that! Even when there would be significant reduction in distance, the running time may not be reduced much because of lower MPS in ghat sections. Besides with lot of additional locomotives needed for banking purposes, actual running costs would increase for the railways. The only benefit I see is more tracks within Kerala and better prospects for any future Kerala based zone.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 04:06 PM   #31
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All these recent developments seem to be a pre-poll gimmick.
Nilambur-Nanjangud railway line is not going to benefit Malabar at all, and there isn't going to be any significant reduction in journey time to Bangalore even from Central and South Kerala. All that is going to happen is destruction of the last remnants of pristine forests in the Western Ghats, without offering any benefit to anyone.

People from Malabar should press for the revival of Thalassery-Mysore line which has strangely been dismissed as being unfeasible.
Railway cant be tricked. Forget about mysore - talassery line.

The proposal had been put forth by Mullappally Ramachandran as an alternative to the Thalassery-Mysore line. But the Railways said the proposed line also “runs adjacent to the alignment already studied and traverses through the Western Ghats. ”


link: http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle7960248.ece
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Old December 11th, 2015, 11:13 PM   #32
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Nilambur-Nanjangud railway line is not going to benefit Malabar at all, and there isn't going to be any significant reduction in journey time to Bangalore even from Central and South Kerala. All that is going to happen is destruction of the last remnants of pristine forests in the Western Ghats, without offering any benefit to anyone.

People from Malabar should press for the revival of Thalassery-Mysore line which has strangely been dismissed as being unfeasible.
I too agree that there will not be much reduction in travel time from Central and South Kerala. There will be a reduction of about 150km which will translate in to a saving of 1 hour, taking into account the ghat sections and forest sections. Now, is it worth to spend ₹2,200 crore for this?

Now, if Kerala Government is sharing half the cost (₹1,100 crore), will Keralites benefit from that kind of a money spent out of their taxes? This line is only connecting one taluk newly in Kerala (Sulthan Bathery). In fact, Tamil Nadu will be benefitting more from this line - they will get rail connectivity to two taluks Gudallur and Pandallur (Nilgiris district).

As for railways rejecting all lines proposed through Western Ghats, it is possible that strong backing and lobbying by Kerala Government could overcome that. Remember Vizhinjam port had lots of environmental concerns and its financial viability is still under doubt. However Kerala government was able to make it a reality. Kochi metro too was thought to be impossible initially if you remember.

If Kerala government is really willing to spend ₹1,100 crore on a railway line, then it should be Elathur (Kozhikode) - Perambra - Poozhithode - Padinjarethara - Kalpetta - Meenangadi - Mananthavady - Shanamangalam - Bavali - Machur - Mysore. This line has below advantages:

1. It will benefit entire Malabar as it is starting from the heart of Malabar, Kozhikode.
2. This line will connect all three taluks in Wayanad district.
3. Meenangadi, where there is a mega warehouse of FCI (Food Corporation of India), is connected by this line. Note that FCI warehouses are always built adjacent to railway lines and in the case of Wayanad, as there was no railway line, this warehouse was built adjacent to the main highway in Wayanad (Kalpetta - Sulthan Bathery). Strictly speaking, the Nanjangode - Nilambur line should have been aligned through Meenangadi and Kalpetta but for whatever reason, they routed it through Tamil Nadu.
4. The connectivity between Kozhikode and Wayanad is through Poozhithode - Padinjarethara which is the alignment of "ghat free" road. This will make construction less challenging. More over, the local panchayaths have already acquired double the amount of forest land lost to construction, to be surrendered to forest department in exchange. (All this happened many decades back but road construction did not progress much).
5. Karnataka entry is through the "c-section" which is a non-forest region. So we can avoid the Bandipur and Nagarhole parks completely.

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Old December 12th, 2015, 01:53 PM   #33
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I think Tamil nadu will propose a direct connection from Gudallur to Nanjangud instead of going via Sultan Bathery.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 03:29 AM   #34
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Gudalur and Pandalur taluks in Nilgiris district are Malayalam-majority. Both should be merge with Kerala.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 04:09 AM   #35
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Centre’s nod for resurvey of Nilambur-Nanjangud railway line

The Union Ministry of Railways has decided to carry out a re-survey for the long-pending Nilambur- Nanjangud railway line.

This was following a meeting between Chief Minister Oommen Chandy and Union Minister of Railways Suresh Prabhu in New Delhi. Previously Principal Adviser of the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) E. Sreedharan had submitted a report suggesting a detailed survey on the feasibility of the project.

The Chief Minister also inked an agreement with the Union Minister for sharing the cost on 50 per cent basis between the State and the Railways for its implementation. A new company would also be floated for railway projects in the State, it is learnt. The meeting also dwelt upon topics such as hurdles that the project would face from the Union Ministry of Environment and Forests. However, the Railway Ministry assured the State delegation that it would take steps to solve these issues.

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Old December 13th, 2015, 08:20 AM   #36
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True that! Even when there would be significant reduction in distance, the running time may not be reduced much because of lower MPS in ghat sections. Besides with lot of additional locomotives needed for banking purposes, actual running costs would increase for the railways. The only benefit I see is more tracks within Kerala and better prospects for any future Kerala based zone.
Right, not much gain if the current IR technology is used and ghat section like Mangalore -- Sakleshpur or Goa--Londa is built. Instead if a tunnel can ascend from Nilambur area to the Wayanad plateau (a climb of nearly 700 meters required I guess), that will be good. Similarly the National parks should be crossed using tunnels, with minimal distance falling under the national parks (along the old Mananthawady -- Mysore Road ?).

If we can not do this way, better to hold on the project till our (GOI + GOK)technology and financial capability improve.

Further a line from Kozhikode to Nilambur will help Malabar too significantly.

Another note is that Konkan Railway is currently executing the Kashmir Railway, and the project may be completed by 2017 or 2018 (hopefully). Once they are free, they could be entrusted to this job also.
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Right, not much gain if the current IR technology is used and ghat section like Mangalore -- Sakleshpur or Goa--Londa is built. Instead if a tunnel can ascend from Nilambur area to the Wayanad plateau (a climb of nearly 700 meters required I guess), that will be good. Similarly the National parks should be crossed using tunnels, with minimal distance falling under the national parks (along the old Mananthawady -- Mysore Road ?)..
Correct - a major rework needs to happen to the existing survey and alignment.

The above two problems are addressed by re-routing the line through Poozhithode - Padinjarethara (to ease connectivity to Wayanad, as this is the alignment of "ghat free" road) and making Karnataka entry along Mananthavady - Mysore road.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 10:05 AM   #39
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There is something fishy here -

Reading the news posted on Dec 11th by jaivin above (about the meeting between CM and Railways Minister), it stated "IF the project becomes a reality, then the state and railways have reached an understanding that the state will share half the cost". This is the same statement in the memorandum submitted by Kerala CM to Railways Minister, which is availablein the keralacm website. There was no mention about signing anything.

Now, today's news posted by jaivin above states MoU was signed. Before the CM's visit, there was a news article in all news papers that MoU will be signed during CM's visit. Both these news articles had mention only about TM Rasheed of the Action Committee; no government official or MLA/MP/Ministers were named. This makes me suspicious.

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Visit the following link of Rail News

http://www.railnews.co.in/centres-no...gud-rail-line/
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