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Old December 15th, 2015, 08:17 AM   #41
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Gudalur and Pandalur taluks in Nilgiris district are Malayalam-majority. Both should be merge with Kerala.
Was a Malayalam majority area...but now TN govt has set up a Srilankan refugee camp there & lots of Tamils have migrated in there....Demography of the region has changed in past 20 yrs...
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Previously I had questioned the correctness of the news that "MoU was signed between the Kerala Chief Minister and Railways".

Now, look at the news below. This is the correct situation as of now:
1. MoU is yet to be signed. (Though the MoU was planned to be signed on 19th January 2016 as per this news article, it has been further postponed).
2. The first project to be taken up as per this MoU is the suburban rail project, as its financial viability has been confirmed.
3. A decision can be made on Nilambur - Nanjangud rail only after its Detailed Project Report is available and financial viability is confirmed.



Source: Malayala Manorama, 2016-01-19
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Old January 28th, 2016, 08:07 AM   #43
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The MoU has been finally signed. Unlike the Action Committee said before, this is NOT an MoU to implement Nanjangud -Nilambur line, rather the base agreement between Kerala government and Railways to take up and implement railway projects jointly in Kerala.

The first project to be implemented is Suburban Rail.

Nanjangud - Nilambur project can be considered only after its detailed project report is available.

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Old January 28th, 2016, 08:29 AM   #44
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Now it is clear that future railway projects will be implemented jointly by railways and respective state governments. Railway ministry is signing MoUs with states one by one. Odisha, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and Kerala have signed MoUs so far.

It is largely positive for Kerala in that the state will be able to push for projects and be part of it, instead of waiting on Railways and Central Government.

Now, the Wayanad railway project needs to be slightly modified in order to remove the shortcomings of existing proposal.

In Northern Kerala, we have two district headquarters that are not connected by railway - Malappuram town and Kalpetta.

And the biggest drawback of existing proposal is that it will not benefit Kozhikode, the largest city and capital of Malabar.

To provide connectivity to all these cities, this project should be taken up as a combination of two railway lines:

1. Nanjangud - Nilambur via Sulthan Bathery, Kalpetta, Meppadi
2. Feroke (Kozhikode) - Angadippuram (which is on existing rail line to Nilambur) via Malappuram

The Detailed Project Report and financial viability analysis should be done together for both above lines together and should be implemented as one project.

In the case of Nanjangud - Nilambur, I am proposing to connect Wayanad (Meppadi) directly with Malappuram district. When we have direct connectivity possible between these two districts, why should we go via Tamil Nadu? This will reduce complexities in implementing the line as otherwise Tamil Nadu should also agree to share costs of this joint venture project. If Tamil Nadu really want the line to go through their state then the line can go from Meppadi to Cherankode (TN) and then connect to Nilambur from there.
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Old February 13th, 2016, 05:27 AM   #45
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Look at the factors considered while planning the Express Highway: connecting District Headquarters is one of the criterion. The same should be applied while conducting the re-survey of Wayanad Railway.



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Old February 19th, 2016, 12:45 PM   #46
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Was a Malayalam majority area...but now TN govt has set up a Srilankan refugee camp there & lots of Tamils have migrated in there....Demography of the region has changed in past 20 yrs...
The tea shops, meandering roads in this area gives a kerala Flavour. Tamils from Srilanka are settled here from 1983.
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I think Tamil nadu will propose a direct connection from Gudallur to Nanjangud instead of going via Sultan Bathery.
Gudalur is neglected by Tamilnadu government., if railway comes then it is a jackpot for Gudalur people.

Consider this fact. The last bus leaving to Ooty from Gudalur is at 7.45 pm, there are no buses beyond that time operated by Gudalur Depot
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Old February 19th, 2016, 03:13 PM   #48
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Gudalur is neglected because of Malayalam majority
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Old February 27th, 2016, 09:14 AM   #49
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Cross posting from Wayanad thread:

Contrary to the title of this article, this is not really a "green signal" but only another step in the right direction.

Budget document merely mentions this project and no fund has been allocated.

Next step will be the actual "location survey". Now is the time for people of Kalpetta to demand the line to be routed via the headquarter town of Wayanad - Kalpetta - instead of passing through the borders of the district.



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Old February 27th, 2016, 09:18 AM   #50
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Final survey of Nanjangud - Nilambur railway line needs to be done

Cross posting from Wayanad thread:

This is the right time for the people of Kalpetta and those who want to see comprehensive development of Wayanad District to demand the district headquarters Kalpetta to be included in the final survey of Nanjangud - Nilambur rail line.

Two alternative options are:
1. Nanjangud - Sulthan Bathery - KALPETTA - Meppadi - Nilambur
This route will not pass through Tamil Nadu and it will be a direct link between Kerala and Karnataka. Since the line is proposed to be built under cost sharing with states, this route will reduce complexity as otherwise Tamil Nadu will also need to agree to share costs.

2. Nanjangud - Sulthan Bathery - KALPETTA - Meppadi - Chernakode - Nilambur
If Tamil Nadu is ready to share costs and they want to connect Gudalur then this route can be considered.

Both the above routes have the added advantage of connecting Meenangadi where there is a mega warehouse of FCI (Food Corporation of India) situated. Hence railways can earn more revenue out of goods transport to the FCI.



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Old February 28th, 2016, 07:04 AM   #51
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Old February 28th, 2016, 07:06 AM   #52
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Greens see red over Nanjangud-Nilambur line

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http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle8283494.ece

Greens see red over Nanjangud-Nilambur line

Mysuru, February 26, 2016

Wildlife activists in the State have aired their concern over the proposed Nanjangud-Nilambur (in Kerala) railway project approved in the Railway Budget 2016-17.

The concern stems from the negative impact on wildlife as the track alignment cuts through 10.2 km of Bandipur Tiger Reserve. Officials in the Mysuru Railway Division said it is proposed to offset the impact by boring a tunnel so as not to disturb wildlife. Divisional Railway Manager Rajkumar Lal said there was demand for inclusion of the project from the people in North Kerala to cut short the commuting distance to Karnataka.

However, wildlife activists and NGOs described the project as an ecological disaster waiting to happen. They pointed out that the same project was earlier rejected by the Railway Board on the grounds that the internal rate of returns was 0.895 but the main reason was that the railway line would cut through the core of Bandipur Tiger Reserve, according to wildlife activist V. Pramod.

“Since Bandipur is a tiger reserve, permission from the Ministry of Environment, Forests and Climate Change, the recommendations of the National and State Boards for Wildlife is mandatory as per the Wildlife (Protection) Act, 1972. Permission has not been acquired from any of the above till date. Also, the National Wildlife Action Plan (2002-16) provides the guidelines to Ministry of Surface Transport and Ministry of Railways to plan roads and railways in such a manner that all national parks and sanctuaries are bypassed and integrity of the protected area is maintained,” Mr. Pramod said.

Praveen Bhargav of Wildlife First said that Bandipur was a protected area and section 35(6) of the Wildlife Protection Act, 1972, says there shall be no destruction unless it is for the improvement or better management of wildlife and a railway line was in no way going to help the wildlife and hence, the project must not be allowed. “But if a suitable alignment not affecting the protected areas of Bandipur, Nagarahole and the wildlife corridors can be found then there will be no objection to it,” he added.

Though the Railway Budget pegs the distance of the Nanjangud-Nilambur line at 236 km at an approximate cost of Rs. 6,000 crore, ‘Metro Man’ E. Sreedharan has estimated that a revised alignment can reduce the distance from 236 km to 156 km and want the final location survey of the project to be taken up.


Several cases of wildlife mortality have been recorded in the country owing to railway lines. In addition to the disturbance and fragmentation, the proposed line will escalate human-wildlife conflict in the region. Bandipur is already reeling under the fragmentation posed by national highways 212 and 67 that cut across it
V. Pramod, wildlife activist
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Old February 28th, 2016, 07:06 AM   #53
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Corss posting from Wayanad thread:

As expected, there is stiff opposition on building the railway track through Bandipur forest.

It will be surprising only if the Ministry of Environment and Forests grants permission to this railway line. Even if they do, it is more or less certain that the matter will be taken to the Green Tribunal and other courts.

As I had posted before, if the railway connectivity to Wayanad were to become real, we should ask for the line to be built through the "C-section" which is the narrow forest-free stretch between Bandipur and Nagarhole National Parks.

Now, the Kerala media and politicians are all talking about only one thing - the funds for constructing the line. No one is talking about the numerous other challenges:

1. Confirmation from Karnataka to share costs
2. Confirmation from Tamil Nadu to share costs (since current alignment is through Tamil Nadu)
3. Approval to build the line through Wayanad Wildlife Sanctuary and Nilambur forests
4. Approval from Tamil Nadu to build the line through Nilgiri forests

There is definitely a long way to go here...
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Old February 28th, 2016, 07:33 AM   #54
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First step will be creation of Company and then SPV for projects. Only framework mou is signed. First SPV will be for suburban being profitable business .

http://niyamasabha.org/codes/13kla/s...0000-16-13.pdf

If govt changes to LDF, dont know what is LDF view on sharing cost and company.
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Old March 5th, 2016, 09:02 AM   #55
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Nanjangud - Nilambur railway line: Karnataka not interested to share costs

Cross-posting from Wayanad thread:

Karnataka is not showing interest to share costs for Nanjangud - Nilambur railway line. If there is no change in Karnataka's position then Nilambur - Sulthan Bathery line to be built by Kerala government.

Given the above, they should do the survey for Nilambur - Sulthan Bathery section completely inside Kerala without going through Tamil Nadu, so that Kerala can build the line on its own inside the state. The final location survey should be conducted for the route Nilambur - Munderi - Meppadi - Kalpetta - Sulthan Bathery - Nanjangud.




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It is easier if the track remains in the land Kerala and Karnataka. Involving T-nadu land only increases the cost and other bureaucratic hurdles. As a long distance track, it makes sense to keep the alignment straight and with lowest distance. In and around towns it is more expensive and needs bigger effort to acquire land. If the FCA want to connct to this line, they can build feeder line. It does not make sense to look a long distance track via, FCA godown just so they can load their shipments. Road systems can also support this railway line. Point is, this is not a commuter line, it is more like a long distance line. One reason for rail travel time is high in India, because the railway lines loop through all stations instead of using a fishbone style linking.
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Regarding the environmental concerns. This rail will shift whole lot of buses, cars and trucks from the road to the raiway. Consider the following statistical point.

- Train though huge, it is still one vehicle. 5 or 10 trains per day is going to replace 1000s of vehicles on road. There by reducing the chance of wild life accidents to very low.

- The train track, if properly aligned will be covering fewer kilometers of forest, which even further reduces the chance of accident

- Trains are run by more experienced professional drivers compared to drivers of automobiles.

- Modern rail technology uses advanced train control systems which can alert and warm if objects on the track and the driver can save the animals. Environmentalists can demand such postitive train control systems for the this track.

- reducing sharp turns can increase the visibility for the driver as well as the animals to move out of rail tracks in time.

- Unlike roadways, it is easier for railways to be built on pillars and tunnels in the animal crossing areas. All over the wold railway lines cross wild life without much issues. The whole forest area can be on pillar if needed.
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Old March 11th, 2016, 08:29 AM   #58
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Okey...so you are suggesting to build the line through "straight path".

Below is the stright path between Nanjangud and Nilambur. In this case, the railway line does not need to go through Sulthan Bathery or any part of Wayanad at all...


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Any railway line built in the past or being built now, regardless of commuter line or not, are always built to connect important cities.

Look at the latest example in Kerala: the High Speed Rail. Its alignment is through Kottayam - Ernakulam - Thrissur. Applying your logic, this could have easily gone straight to Thrissur from Kottayam, instead of going through the biggest city of Kerala, Ernakulam. Of course, land acquisition in and around Ernakulam/Kochi will be expensive and problematic and also the length of the line is increased. BUT what is the ultimate objective? Important cities need to be connected.

Same way, by building an additional 25-35 km, we can connect Wayanad district headquarters rightaway, instead of leaving that for later. Ultimately, all district headquarters will be connected to the railway map, just like all 14 of Kerala's district headquarters now have National Highways.

I think the same way new NHs were allotted in Kerala, new railway lines will be built to connect all district headquarters gradually. Originally we had NH17 and NH47 which connected the headquarters of all coastal districts and Palakkad. 9 district headquarters had NHs and 5 remained without NHs. This is comparable situation with railway at the moment.

After a long gap, new NHs were declarded since 1999-2000: NH766, NH966, NH183, NH185 and NH183A which connected all remaining district headquarters - Kalpetta (Wayanad), Malappuram town, Kottayam, Painavu (Idukki) and Pathanamthitta town.

Same way, at the moment, we have a long gap since a new railway line has been built in Kerala. I am hoping that new lines will start construction gradually and all the remaining four district headquarters will get connected. We already have proposed lines for connecting each of them (like Feroke - Angadippuram (for Malappuram town), Dindigul - Sabarimala (for Painavu) and Erumeli - Punalur (for Pathanamthitta town). It is a matter of these moving from proposals to reality.
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Nilambur-Nanjangud rail line survey gets delayed

Malappuram: Though the chief advisor of Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC), E Sreedharan, has informed the state government that the corporation is ready to conduct the final location survey (FLS) for the proposed Nilambur-Nanjangud rail line, the government is yet to respond to the request and the survey is getting delayed indefinitely.
The recent decision of the state government to equally share the cost of railway projects in the state had revived hopes on the proposed rail line connecting Kerala with Karnataka. The railways and state government had also signed an agreement regarding cost sharing of major rail projects in the state.
The project has been getting delayed for a long time due to the huge cost involved. The proposal for the rail line got delayed after an engineering cum traffic survey for the line carried out by railways indicated the cost as Rs 4,266.87 crore with a revenue return of -0.85%.
But, Sreedharan submitted a report to the chief minister last year saying that there were serious flaws in the three surveys carried out in 2002, 2009 and 2013. His report had recommended a new survey with a shorter route that would be easy to construct.
Based on Sreedharan's report, the rail line project was included in the railway budget for 2016-17 under extra budgetary allocation (EBR) of Rs 6,000 crore. But, Sreedharan has already informed the government that the EBR in budget will not be useful as the railways had considered the old traffic survey for budget allocation.
In a letter to minister Aryadan Muhammed, Sreedharan had pointed out that without a FLS with 50% funding by the state government, the project cannot be started or any fund mobilized.
In the letter, Sreedharan says the FLS of the rail line will cost around Rs 8 crore and the state government will have to bear -50% of the amount as per the cost-share agreement.
He has also informed the government that the DMRC is ready to carry out the final location survey. But the state government is yet to respond to the letter and this has raised concerns over the future of the project.
"If the government takes a decision to conduct the survey before the assembly election, DMRC can start the survey soon. If the decision is delayed, DMRC will be forced to wait for the decision of the next government and this will further delay the project," said Biju Ninan, general secretary of Nilambur-Mysore rail action council.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/51416017.cms
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