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Old August 10th, 2017, 01:55 PM   #541
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1) Does the entire route is middle of the road ? Or sometimes on left or right side?

2) Is there any special seats for children, ladies, senior citizens and handicapped persons inside the tram cars ?

3) Is there any system for one day unlimited travel tickets ?

4) Is there any plan to extend the tram line on Kai Tak area? If yes, please write some details.
1. Some sections are right at the curb, with the lane shared by other traffic.

2. No ladies-only compartments on any transit vehicle in HK. Not sure about seniors but tram cars are not wheelchair-accessible.

3. None but there is a 4-day pass which surprised me : https://www.hktramways.com/en/4-day-pass/

4. The government is not sure what technology to use yet.
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Old August 10th, 2017, 08:55 PM   #542
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Yuen Long has no tram, those all are light rail. Light rail and tram are two different things.
Nope.
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Old August 11th, 2017, 05:38 AM   #543
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Tramways

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Rail_(MTR)

http://lrta.org/world/worlda-e.html#CN

I told on the base of both Wikipedia & Light Rail Transit Association, may be both are wrong.
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Old August 12th, 2017, 10:44 PM   #544
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Tramways

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Rail_(MTR)

http://lrta.org/world/worlda-e.html#CN

I told on the base of both Wikipedia & Light Rail Transit Association, may be both are wrong.
I have seen trams that could be called light rail, and light rail that could be called tram.

The fact is, it is all just tram, with varying degrees of right of way, (non-) level crossings, etc.

The fact is, Hong Kong is not a double-decker tram only city.
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Old August 15th, 2017, 06:58 AM   #545
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I thought the two systems are grouped under the light rail category by technical definition? They obviously don't seem to be heavy rail (MTR).
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Old August 15th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #546
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The difference is tram is mostly street running and light rail is mostly reserved track running - then compare the Hongkong tram & light rail.
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Old August 15th, 2017, 02:33 PM   #547
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The difference is tram is mostly street running and light rail is mostly reserved track running - then compare the Hongkong tram & light rail.
Where is that definition from? Seems quite different than the heavy and light rail I'm used to seeing when reading transport association reports.

http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...efinitions.pdf

LR ‐ Light Rail is a mode of transit service (also called streetcar, tramway, or trolley) operating passenger rail cars singly (or in short, usually two‐car or three‐car, trains) on fixed rails in right‐of‐way that is often separated from other traffic for part or much of the way.
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The difference is tram is mostly street running and light rail is mostly reserved track running - then compare the Hongkong tram & light rail.
Mostly it's a completely arbitrary distinction made for marketing reasons, or in this case to prevent yourself from just admitting you made a mistake by calling Hong Kong a double decker only city.
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Old August 16th, 2017, 03:05 PM   #549
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The tram scene in China is very diverse. Once there are many cities where tramway networks exists, but after the notorious anti-tram sixties and seventies—only three cities kept their networks, one of them is Hong Kong. They kept the tram and gradually modified it. It is the only city in the world which has all double-decker trams, perhaps previously this city was under British Administration, and we all know that in UK, almost all tram systems has double decker trams. It is also one of the very few city which haven't closed any routes since the beginning of the service.

But the future I think is dark, because metro line Island is roughly parallel to the tramway line between Kennedy Town and Shau Kei Wan stations. Some sections of MTR tunnels are built directly under roads with tram tracks. So most people takes metro to reach much faster than tram, and obviously tram will run empty and will get loss, so gradually it will be closed, I am afraid, only one route towards Happy Valley will remain opened just as a type of heritage. Following the opening of the West Island Line, daily tramway rider ship drops 10% to 180,000.
I don't think the future for this tram is dark. I remember the tram in Hong Kong being super convenient. You see it coming, hop on....then hop off. On a different note, this is one of the instances where I feel advertising comes across as good looking. Love the variety of colors on the trams.
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Old August 18th, 2017, 12:05 PM   #551
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Where is that definition from? Seems quite different than the heavy and light rail I'm used to seeing when reading transport association reports.

http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...efinitions.pdf

LR ‐ Light Rail is a mode of transit service (also called streetcar, tramway, or trolley) operating passenger rail cars singly (or in short, usually two‐car or three‐car, trains) on fixed rails in right‐of‐way that is often separated from other traffic for part or much of the way.
Ohh, they why they are called Tuen Mun Light Rail and not Tuen Mun Tramway?
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Ohh, they why they are called Tuen Mun Light Rail and not Tuen Mun Tramway?
Trams and streetcars are types of light rail.
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Ohh, they why they are called Tuen Mun Light Rail and not Tuen Mun Tramway?
Mostly it's a completely arbitrary distinction made for marketing reasons.

Light Rail is just a snazzy name for a tram. They are at least close enough, that you are wrong when you say Hong Kong is double decker tram only, which was the only point I was making.
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Planning advisers to deliberate on proposal to call time on tram services in core of Hong Kong’s central business district
Town Planning Board set to reject idea to remove historic trams between Central and Wan Chai
August 24, 2017
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Government planning advisers are set to reject a controversial proposal to remove trams from a key section of Hong Kong’s central business district during a meeting of the city’s Town Planning Board on Friday.

Former local town planner Sit Kwok-keung has submitted an application to do away with trams between the downtown districts of Central and Wan Chai on Hong Kong Island due to traffic congestion concerns, despite the board already rejecting a similar submission in 2015.

The plan stirred up much public debate two years ago, with a majority coming out against disposing of the city’s oldest and cheapest form of public transport, which has a history stretching back 113 years.

Sit justified his proposal by saying the trams occupied valuable road space in the busiest part of Hong Kong Island.

“About two-thirds of the road surface occupied by trams [in the area] is wasted, as the number of tram passengers is only 4.65 per cent of that for franchised buses and 3.82 per cent of that for the MTR,” the proposal read.

Sit said removing trams would help avoid accidents, referring to an incident in April in which a tram toppled over at the junction of Queensway and Des Voeux Road Central outside the headquarters of HSBC.

Hong Kong’s transport and housing minister and its Planning Department have both rejected the new proposal, according to a paper from the Town Planning Board. The board will deliberate on the plan in a meeting on Friday.

“Deletion of the tramway would not necessarily release more road space. Instead it may have a significant impact on public transport users. The affected passengers might turn to other road-based transport ... [which] would in turn generate new vehicular trips at the congested road sections,” transport minister Frank Chan Fan said.

Discontinuation of tram services, which are known affectionately in Hong Kong as “ding dings” for the sound of their bells, would affect 110,000 passengers a day, he added.

Removing the section of track in Central and Wan Chai would undermine the seamless service between Kennedy Town on the western tip of the island and Shau Kei Wan in the east, he said.
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Hong Kong tram riders set to pay up to 13 per cent more as operator seeks first fare increase in six years
Hong Kong Tramways hopes new prices will take effect early next year
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The operator of Hong Kong’s iconic trams plans to raise fares by up to 13 per cent, its first increase in six years.

Adults will be charged HK$2.60 from the current HK$2.30 per trip, while children and senior citizens will see an increase of HK$0.10, to HK$1.30 and HK$1.20 respectively, according to Hong Kong Tramways.

The 113-year-old company added that monthly fares for the trams, affectionately known as “ding dings”, will go up to HK$220 from HK$200 now.

It submitted an application for the price adjustment to the city’s Transport Department on Thursday. The company, which hoped that the new fares could take effect early next year, said in a statement: “The proposed fare increase is crucial for the operational viability of tram service and for sustaining the tramways’ service improvement and renewal programmes.”

The French-owned tramways company, which serves only Hong Kong Island, said it had been struggling with rising costs and fierce competition from the MTR Corporation’s new West Island Line, which runs between Sheung Wan and Kennedy Town. It suffered about a 10 per cent decline in ridership since the new MTR line started operating in late 2014.
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[B][SIZE="4"]The French-owned tramways company, which serves only Hong Kong Island, said it had been struggling with rising costs and fierce competition from the MTR Corporation’s new West Island Line, which runs between Sheung Wan and Kennedy Town. It suffered about a 10 per cent decline in ridership since the new MTR line started operating in late 2014..
I said what before, now it has proven as true.
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