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Old April 17th, 2014, 04:37 AM   #2581
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Interesting that in the top 5, 3 are Canadian teams.
I think part of the reason is that those towns are under-served by the major north american sports, and Canada doesn't have colleges sports like the US.

LA is the only city in the top 9 in attendance that actually has teams from all of the big 4 leagues, and I guess you could count Toronto too since they have a CFL team but that's not really comparable to an NFL team.
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Old April 17th, 2014, 12:43 PM   #2582
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I think part of the reason is that those towns are under-served by the major north american sports, and Canada doesn't have colleges sports like the US.

LA is the only city in the top 9 in attendance that actually has teams from all of the big 4 leagues, and I guess you could count Toronto too since they have a CFL team but that's not really comparable to an NFL team.
Under served? WTF? The three cities have the big ones by Canadian standards. Football and Hockey. Ever hear of the CFL and NHL? Also Toronto does have MLB and NBA, so can get much more service than that....

As for University sports, check your facts. Canada does have University sports in all the big sports, Basketball, Hockey and Football.........

As for Comparing CFL and NFL, when did Los Angeles get an NFL team? Nope Only Toronto has the top 4 BIG LEAGUE TEAMS in the top 9.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 03:10 AM   #2583
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Sorry, but CFL is not one of the four major leagues.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 12:41 PM   #2584
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Sorry, but CFL is not one of the four major leagues.
A professional football league around for a hell of a lot longer than the NFL, is a major league in any Canadians eyes.

You yanks think football begins and ends with the NFL, guess what it doesn't.
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LA is the only city in the top 9 in attendance that actually has teams from all of the big 4 leagues...
NFL?
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I think he was considering USC and UCLA as professional as both teams draw over 70,000 a game. Pretty much pro
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Old April 21st, 2014, 01:22 PM   #2587
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I think he was considering USC and UCLA as professional as both teams draw over 70,000 a game. Pretty much pro
When did UCLA and USC join the NFL?
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When did UCLA and USC join the NFL?
Well, there were those allegations of payments around Reggie Bush...






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Old April 21st, 2014, 09:50 PM   #2589
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You yanks think football begins and ends with the NFL, guess what it doesn't.
The CFL IS NOT one of the four major leagues. Sorry dude, it's not.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 12:04 PM   #2592
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The CFL IS NOT one of the four major leagues. Sorry dude, it's not.
Sorry DUDE but the 30+ million people in Canada say it is.

I tend to side with them over some DUDE from Buffalo, who would kill for a Pro football team.
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The CFL IS NOT one of the four major leagues. Sorry dude, it's not.
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Sorry DUDE but the 30+ million people in Canada say it is.
Semantics, gentlemen.

When folks from the States refer to the big four sports its NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL, and given the attendance averages, TV ratings and revenues it's a pretty clear division and 99% of sports fans know this. But the CFL is a major league for Canada and it's safe to say that it should be recognized as such for the purposes of this comparison.

So, is the CFL one of The Big Four? No. Is it a major sport warranting inclusion in this assessment? Yes.
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Interesting that in the top 5, 3 are Canadian teams.
Soccer has a higher profile in Canada than in many parts of the US. If you put an MLS team in a Canadian city, it's going to get high billing right off the bat.
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The CFL IS NOT one of the four major leagues.
Every league on the planet looks minor league next to the NFL; that doesn't mean it is. When the US contested its first Superbowl in 1967, Canada had already contested 54 Grey Cups dating back to 1909. The CFL is a professional league that was attracting 50,000 people to regular season games back in the 1970s.

In terms of revenue the CFL does falls short, but in terms of cultural significance its a very solid #2 in this country.... only behind the NHL. The CFL maybe rebuilding off a historic low, but it is a major league just like MLS and the NHL.
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The CFL is a major league just like MLS.
Wise MLS fans know MLS is still not close to the mainstream as the big four, however. It's not minor league but it's a cut or two (or five) below the NHL, which is a step behind MLB, NBA and the NFL.

Perhaps we simply need to list things differently for US markets and for Canadian markets?
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In Canada, MLS IS considered major league.

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Wise MLS fans know MLS is still not close to the mainstream as the big four, however. It's not minor league but it's a cut or two (or five) below the NHL, which is a step behind MLB, NBA and the NFL.

Perhaps we simply need to list things differently for US markets and for Canadian markets?
Naturally, Americans and Canadians view these things differently. The CFL is a league with teams that pre-date everything else on this continent. They even pre-date Canadian NHL teams/US MLB teams. The CFL still holds down the #2 spot in this country. It's hard for many Canadians to square that with American definitions of 'major league' which invariably come down to dollars and cents.... and little consideration for the intangibles or context.
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Sorry DUDE but the 30+ million people in Canada say it is.

I tend to side with them over some DUDE from Buffalo, who would kill for a Pro football team.
No, it isn't. The 4 major leagues are an American thing, not a Canadian thing. They are MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA. And since no Canadian city has a team in each of the 4 leagues, you cannot claim to be a member of that group of cities.
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Every league on the planet looks minor league next to the NFL; that doesn't mean it is. When the US contested its first Superbowl in 1967, Canada had already contested 54 Grey Cups dating back to 1909. The CFL is a professional league that was attracting 50,000 people to regular season games back in the 1970s.

In terms of revenue the CFL does falls short, but in terms of cultural significance its a very solid #2 in this country.... only behind the NHL. The CFL maybe rebuilding off a historic low, but it is a major league just like MLS and the NHL.
None of that matters, and I would definitely put the NFL ahead of the CFL even in YOUR OWN COUNTRY. The many Canadian friends and relatives I have and YOU have, would agree with me. I know you like the CFL and all, but it's a second rate football league in it's own country. Kinda like MLS is here, it still plays second fiddle to the EPL. I'm sorry you won't agree with any of this, but you are kinda biased and blind. I mean, you believe the first baseball game was played in Canada! LOL! And some 50 years AFTER it was invented?
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Belgian Jupiler Pro League attendance numbers after Monday. 5 more matchdays to go in Play-off 1, 2 in Play-off 2, plus knock-out games between the winners of play-off 2A and 2B, plus KO games between the winner of those games and the club that finished 4th in PO1 (winner goes to Europa League), plus a mini promotion/relegation competition between the club that has won PO3 (Leuven beat Mons after 3 games in a best-of-5 and with a 3 points bonus) and 3 clubs from the second division (based on 3 "periods" and/or the final ranking).

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Club - total attendance - games - average attendance - stadium capacity - attendance/capacity (%)

1 Club Brugge KV 468,024 18 26,001* - 29,062 - 89.5% PO1
2 Standard Ličge 411,641 17 24,214 - 29,388 - 82.5% PO1
3 KRC Genk 386,216 18 21,456 - 24,601 - 87% PO1
4 RSC Anderlecht 359,123 17 21,124 - 21,500 - 98.5% PO1
5 KAA Gent 300,974 17 17,704 - 19,999 (new stadium opened 2013) - 88.5% PO2
6 KV Mechelen 162,333 17 9,549 - 14,145 - 67.5% PO2
7 Oud-Heverlee Leuven 142,481 17 8,381 - 9,319 - 90% PO3
8 SV Zulte-Waregem 140,995 17 8,294 - 8,500 - 97.5% PO1
9 Cercle Brugge 132,283 17 7,781 (same stadium as Club Brugge KV) - 29,062 - 27% PO2
10 KV Kortrijk 122,426 17 7,202 - 9,399 - 76.5% PO2
11 Sporting Lokeren 128,233 18 7,124 - 8,952 - 79.5% PO1
12 Lierse SK 118,334 17 6,961 - 14,538 - 48% PO2
13 Sporting Charleroi 106,345 17 6,256 - 14,000 (approx.) - 44.5% PO2
14 Waasland-Beveren 98,246 17 5,779 - 8,190 - 70.5% PO2
15 KV Oostende 85,551 17 5,032 - 8,125 - 62% PO2
16 RAEC Mons 61,233 16 3,827 - 9,504 - 40,5% PO3

* Changed to number(s) communicated by the Club.

green = positive evolution
red = negative evolution
PO1/2/3 = which play-off they are currently competing in (or in case of PO3: have been competing in)

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