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Old March 17th, 2007, 09:17 AM   #101
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so what's going on up (oops... down) there? is Darwin taking the "if you build it, they will come" approach, or are a lot of people moving there?

must say i love seeing so much Aus development going on outside the 'traditional' capitals, especially in the north.
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Old March 17th, 2007, 04:57 PM   #102
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Very much in the "if you build it they will come" mode at the moment. The population is growing quickly in proportional terms, but not that fast in absolute terms, maybe only 2000 people a year. Despite this the government's invested very heavily in infrastructure - new convention centre, new port and rail facilities, industrial parks etc. The economy's booming at a 6% annual growth rate (albiet coming off a very small base) so maybe all this investment will pay off in the long run.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 03:35 AM   #103
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the govt has definitely pumped a lot of money into developing Darwin in the past two decades, as though they're eager to turn it into something much bigger.

that's money well spent, imho, as Aust. needs cities in the north to serve as gateways to Asia, trading hubs etc. Not to mention the beautiful scenery.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 07:30 AM   #104
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all these tall designs, would they really hold up to a serious cyclone? i can only imagine the amount of glass, furniture and fittings that would rain down! where's the people to fill these buildings? i know darwin has high growth but is there enough for all this? it would be good to see if it really was all possible.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 07:51 AM   #105
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Go Darwin. It's nice to see other cities besides the big 5 turning into something more than just regional depots. Darwin could be a mini Dubai (albeit a tasteful one) if they play it right.
Years ago (60's 70's) they tried to get Darwin going but nothing seemed to work & the place just stayed kind of like an outpost. Cyclone Tracey didnt help obviously. Now in a short space of time they have acheived what several decades could not. Love the instant jump in height of the skyline with the lastest tallies.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 10:30 AM   #106
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Guys, you have to remember. Darwin is unique. Sure it's population is only 112,000 but it plays host to a consisiderably large 'temporary working population'. Generally fly-in fly-out professionals from Perth, Brisbane and Melbourne. Many of these highrise apartments will be bought by mining companies so they can house their iteneiret workers.


The other factor regarding this push for highrise is, land in the top end is incredibly expensive. Darwin's central business district lies on a narrow peninsula. This peninsula is either already built up, or is too swampy to build on.


The only real land option is in Palmerston 25kms away. This is why Palmerston was first built in the early 1980s. Because of a lack of land close to Darwin. However, in 2007, when you consider that Palmerston is already quite a large city in it's own right, by the time you get to Palmerston's new housing estates, you're already a good 30km + from Darwin's city centre.


Hense, you have two choices, build a new house and land package 30kms out, or live in a new apartment in the c.b.d.

Territorians complain about the peak our traffic between Palmerston and Darwin city. A the moment, theres one main highway linking the two cities. It is about eight lanes wide and consists of about 20 sets of traffic lights and comercial businesses, car yards and bulky goods stores. It can take 45 minutes just to get from home to work!


The territory government is busily constructing a fast flowing Palmerston to Darwin Freeway (south of the main hwy and connecting the new port and rail facitlities) but currently it only goes half way. It stops at Hidden Valley.


So you can see how attractive, c.d.b. highrise living is to Dawrinites. The other thing is, the NT Government town planners have rejected, Canberra-style decentralisation policies, and has embrased a plan for centralising and bolstering the role of Darwin's defined c.b.d.


When you have a c.b.d. surrounded by water on all FOUR sides, you realise going up is a very responsible planning response. I say Four and not Three because it's actually true. When you are in Darwin city, it does feel as if you are in on a tropical island. It's possible to look, north, south, east and west and see harbour views.

Dawrin's unique geographical setting and current planning trends will see Darwin city contiue to push up.

If Darwin was to build a bridge accross it's beautiful harbour and develop it's western shore that would pose a very different situation. But as yet there are no plans for that.

Also, another factor, Darwin has a very Asian perspective. Darwin's leaders draw alot of their inspiration from Singapore. And indeed, much of Darwin's current building boom is financed by Singapore and Bruneian businessmen. (a result of clever NT Government economic advancement strategies.)

Infact, NIMBYS often complain that Darwin's council is obessed with turning Darwin into a little Singapore.

But one thing, Darwin is actually a really groovy lifestyle city, set it very attractive surronds.
As the city develops, people who visit it are deciding they want to move there. So the 'build it and they will come' mentality does actually work.

The new Darwin Waterfront is pargely a product of this philosophy. Darwin needs a tropical lagoon and city harbour front. If it has it, people will move here. The NT Government knows this, So they're building it!!

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Old March 19th, 2007, 01:21 PM   #107
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Thanks for a great post, very enjoyable and interesting to read
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Old March 19th, 2007, 03:06 PM   #108
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Gotta say Staminous, I'm impressed with how well you know Darwin! The city really is taking its cues from Singapore, and the resemblance will be even closer when Chinatown is finished because its supposed to include a Singapore style hawker centre - I can't wait.

Now that Darwin businesses are also sourcing a lot of their labour from Asia as well (mainly Philippines and China) since they can't get enough local tradesmen, the metamorphisis of Darwin into a true SE Asian city should start to speed up.
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Old March 20th, 2007, 01:40 AM   #109
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all sounds good, but still, what happens to these biggies in a massive cyclone event?
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Old March 20th, 2007, 04:07 AM   #110
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Sounds pretty cool, sadly the ACT government has just realised about canberra's de-centrailsing, Now they are trying to build up the CBD to make it the true centre of canberra. I think you have a better chance of people from asia moving there than people from the south mainly because of the extreme heat you have all year long.
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Old March 20th, 2007, 09:14 AM   #111
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all sounds good, but still, what happens to these biggies in a massive cyclone event?
Dude, are you trolling or what? Remember Townsville & Cairns have relatively tall buildings? They're both in cyclone areas......
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Old March 21st, 2007, 12:08 AM   #112
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cycolones aren't a problem for modern engineering.


Otherwise, there would be no highrises in Miami, the rest of Florida and southern USA and Asian cities too. There is no difference in climate between Darwin and Singapore.


INM, skyscrapers and Earthquake zones are more perilous.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 02:29 AM   #113
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ok cheers. i just can't recall a massive cyclone event happening since talls started going up in the north, including northern queensland. i know we had larry etc last year but it wasn't a direct hit on an area with talls. not being from up there and not following cyclone proofed architecture i was curious about it. thanks.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 04:10 AM   #114
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Thanks staminous for the info. One of the best posts about Darwin ever. I never ever imagined Palmerston was so big, till I checked the map on the net. My map of Darwin at home only includes Darwin & immediate suburbs, not inc. east arm or beyond. All of a sudden, this new map shows there are even more suburbs & Palmerston is HUGE.
And a freeway too, what next. Darwin is amazing.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 01:44 AM   #115
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i'll say it too; staminous, that was one of the most interesting pieces i've read about Darwin and thanks for taking the time to post it. I've often wondered what the govt's (both federal and local) vision was for the city but it all seems clearer now. I would never have guessed they were actually taking inspiration from Singapore -- but the idea of a big, modern, multicultural, lifestyle city at the top of Australia really appeals to me.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 05:23 AM   #116
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has cul done a monthly diagram for NT??? i cant seem to find it/
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yes, its in every monthly update
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=457620
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oh so it is
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Old April 9th, 2007, 03:54 PM   #119
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the one30esplanade towers should also be on there but i have no height data yet or elevations.
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Old April 11th, 2007, 01:29 AM   #120
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this has to be one of tallest in darwin
The Esplanade tower

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you can see it in this park across from park.ignore the red arrow




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