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Old November 30th, 2017, 05:58 AM   #961
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So no lofts are going to be built on Murray St in that vacant structure just east of Broad St? Another surface parking lot at Broad & Murray, I thought that was not permitted any longer. I thought that was what was going on when I seen all the piles of asphalt there. Between the new Mobil gas station and this surface parking lot it just goes to show poor planning on behalf of the city of Newark.
I cannot find any planning board minutes on the matter as the Planning Board's site is still down. Parking is not permitted as-of-right, but they keep getting variances for it. I am not sure what the 4 story brick building will be used for, probably self-storage. If they combine the two sites, they could develop the surface lot without a problem as it would not be the sole use of the site.
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Old December 1st, 2017, 07:52 AM   #962
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Newark Bears Stadium Redevelopment Plan Now Includes 240-Room Hotel

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Old December 2nd, 2017, 12:18 AM   #963
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21 Units Approved for 268-272 Central Avenue, Near Newark’s Norfolk Street Light Rail

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Old December 2nd, 2017, 12:47 AM   #964
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^ Nice! That's right around the corner from NJIT and fixes part of the gap between NJIT and the "Silicon Alley" project along Sussex and Norfolk. I heard about the project a couple months ago in an article which claims that the building's facade will be restored close to its original look. The site diagonally across the street, the long fenced in lot full of piles of dirt along Newark St, will eventually be developed with some random ongoing mumblings about it.

Hopefully the stadium project will actually occur after they eventually demolish the stadium, instead of leaving an empty site. When it does actually occur, it will like expedite the redevelopment of the nearby vacant lots, especially closer to Broad Street Station. According to that same article, the Lincoln Motel site will be part of the Baseball Stadium development!!!
The planning board meeting is listed as being at 6:30 on December 4th (this coming Monday in City Hall) where the project on both sites will be reviewed.
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Old December 5th, 2017, 04:57 AM   #965
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I attended the Planning Board meeting for today as the Baseball Stadium Redevelopment was supposed to be heard today, but it was not even on the list. Instead, there were a few other smaller projects.

30 James Street
Renovation and legal use for 4 Family Home
Denied due to existing illegal conversion, lack of payment of increased taxes, and very small units.

120 Hudson Street
New 4 story, 4 unit residence with a brick frontage and some sort of metal pipe gate in front, replacing an old house on the site.
Architect: Brick City Reconstruction, the same group that did the building with Dino BBQ and the Hotel Indigo conversion and is also doing the Bonnell Building (192 Market Street) renovation.
Approved, after several complaints about the height of the building being 4 stories instead of the usual 3 stories in the context, even though the site is zoned as R-5 for up to 8 story mid-rise apartments. As such, they also complained about the small site of just over 2000 square feet as it is zoned for 10,000 square feet minimum to accommodate those tall apartment buildings. The adjacent site at 118 Hudson is also being renovated and extended by 1 floor to 4 stories, which is apparently already happening.

194 Market Street (narrow building between 192 and 196 Market Street which are currently undergoing residential conversions of the upper floors)
Convert floors 2-4 to residences
Adjourned to the next meeting on the 18th due to existing tenant that they did not know about

134-142 Sussex on corner of Newark St and part of "Silicon Alley" across from the Marion P Thomas charter school
Addition to existing building for total of 20 apartments. The hideous building on the corner was flattened at the end of 2016. The result will be a 4 story building with a 20 foot first floor with loft spaces and 3 more floors of residential above. There will apparently be a small retail use and the facade of the remaining building will be retained and renovated. There will not be any parking in keeping with the Broad Street Station Redevelopment Plan.
Approved

791-797 South Orange Avenue, corner of Grand Avenue
Demolish and expand church, parking wraps around back of church. The church will be mostly a plain white facade with few ground floor windows and will instead use an opaque material. It will have a 40 or so foot tower topped by an approximately 10 foot cross.
9 parking spaces and a BBQ patio wrap around the church.
Approved

476-502 Doremus Ave
Renovate 6 warehouses and several lumber storage sheds
47,000 square feet of buildings removed, 42,000 Square feet of lumber storage sheds added
405,000 Square foot site
30-35 employees, with 20-25 Newarkers
It will have 12-15 trucks a day to bring in lumber which will be loaded onto trains as the site has a rail spur onto the property. A bulkhead that exists to someday handle barges is in such disrepair that they are not yet doing that.
Approved
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Old December 5th, 2017, 06:11 AM   #966
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The same neighborhood benefits could occur if they didn't build the PATH extension because they could just build an extension of the existing NJ Transit/Amtrak station to reach Frelinghuysen Avenue. There are several lines that already use that station. The issue arises as to whether the Port Authority will whine about security (one of the original reasons for not connecting with the neighborhood in the 90's), and whether the neighborhood will become private airport parking lots instead of actual development. any parking that occurs would sabotage the PA's revenue stream for airport parking.
Exactly. If anyone cared about serving that neighborhood, a sidewalk would be built TOMORROW
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Old December 6th, 2017, 01:36 PM   #967
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I really don't know what kind of economic, or any other benefits that neighborhood would receive because of a new Path station. Look at all the neighborhoods near Newark Light Rail stations, they should be booming with new apartment buildings, condos, etc.. Newark is an anamoly, a aberration from the norm.
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Old December 6th, 2017, 05:21 PM   #968
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I really don't know what kind of economic, or any other benefits that neighborhood would receive because of a new Path station. Look at all the neighborhoods near Newark Light Rail stations, they should be booming with new apartment buildings, condos, etc.. Newark is an anamoly, a aberration from the norm.
Newark still has a crime issue and an even bigger perceived crime issue. As long as that persists development in the outer wards is going to lag, mass transit, or not.

With that said, The PATH provides direct access to Manhattan. That's a lot different then a light rail system that barely leaves the city proper. Given the isolated location for the proposed PATH stop I think you can get some major redevelopment around the station if you zone properly. You would in essence be building a new neighborhood that didn't exist. I could especially see that being developed as a hotel area.

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Old December 7th, 2017, 12:55 AM   #969
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Mars Wrigley chooses Newark for its new HQ

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Old December 7th, 2017, 02:47 AM   #970
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I really don't know what kind of economic, or any other benefits that neighborhood would receive because of a new Path station. Look at all the neighborhoods near Newark Light Rail stations, they should be booming with new apartment buildings, condos, etc.. Newark is an anamoly, a aberration from the norm.
It's not the same thing though. Newark Light Rail stations are great for connecting points within the city and adjacent suburbs, but PATH is direct train access to NYC. That's a vastly bigger anchor.

Additionally, Newark's Light rail system has been in existence for decades (minus the downtown hook). If the main line were being built today I'm not sure they would pick the current route (an advantage Hudson/Bergen lightrail has as its much newer).
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Old December 7th, 2017, 03:32 AM   #971
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If they were to put in the Newark Light Rail today, it would go along either Broad Street to the airport and Elizabeth as was planned (Newark-Elizabeth Rail Link) before they chose the NJ Transit station, along Springfield to Irvington and a little beyond, along Ferry Street to cross Kearny Point and connect with the West Side/Greenville in Jersey City, and along Broadway to Belleville. The existing route would have likely gone along Bloomfield Avenue to Bloomfield Station instead. The only reason it follows the current route is that they couldn't run buses through the tunnel under Raymond Boulevard in the 1950's, and the line follows the old Morris Canal bed, with some short extensions along an existing freight line.

Development has not really picked up along the line partly because the zoning was ridiculous (maximum of 3-family homes along most of the route), there is plenty of developable land that is very cheap in Downtown, and the city's terrible reputation in the news media. As the largest city in the state, it is the constant target of hateful commentary about urbanism, crime and the minority population. There have at least been a couple, with a 120 unit project at 380 N 5th Street being the most recent as well as a cluster near Norfolk Street Station. The only other place that makes sense for significant development is near the Branch Brook Park station, as that area accommodates high-rise apartments in the zoning. Bloomfield Avenue itself can accommodate some 5 story mixed-use development, but most of the sites are filled in.

This map has the full and largely current zoning as a replacement for the Planning Board's site that is still down. R-3 is 3-Family and Townhomes. R-2 is 2-family. R-1 is single family homes. C-1 is 4 story mixed use. C-2 is 5 story mixed use. C-3 is 8 story mixed use. R-4 is 4 story residential only. R-5 is 8 story residential only. R-6 is 15 story residential only. Pink areas are Industrial.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 04:32 AM   #972
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^Thanks!

I remember the lightrail (city subway) being setup the way it is for more historic reasons; and fit the needs in the era it was built. But yes indeed, I don't think it would make much sense now. I remember you mentioning that alternate universe route, that would go along Springfield to the west, Ironbound/Ferry->Kearny/JC to the east, and I could only wish. That would be a FAR denser line and would connect some pretty sizable cities with more than PATH as an option.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 12:59 PM   #973
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Yes but the light rail (city subway) connects directly to Newark Penn Station, the neighborhoods around the stations should be full of residents who work in Manhattan. Convenient, lower rent, etc.. But Newark seems to have a curse on it, everything is done against the grain, rather than with it. Yes the crime reputation is a hindrance, to say the least. Also, a lot of urban blight still exists, unlike Jersey City or Hoboken. Small quality of life issues are important and play a big role. Issues like Graffiti, abandoned buildings, dirty streets, Potholes, etc... I urge everyone to utilize the Newark 4311 system and report issues like burnt out street lights, missing or damaged street signs, code enforcement, pothole repair, and so on. They may seem superficial but really play an important role in Newark's image.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #974
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What ever happened to the underground stores along the old newark subway I remember seeing a article online a few years ago that they were left abandoned but still intact.
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Newark officials detail four possible landing spots for Amazon

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So the 4 sites are the Baseball Stadium site (at far higher density), the Matrix Riverfront immediately north of Penn Station, a series of sites paralleling the new Mulberry Commons park, and the SoMa sites which mostly run along Washington Street, starting at Market Street and going south almost to Lincoln Park.










The 4 sites combined would be about 20 Million square feet. Amazon needs about 8 Million, which is the approximate equivalent of the 4 completed towers of the New World Trade Center.

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What ever happened to the underground stores along the old newark subway I remember seeing a article online a few years ago that they were left abandoned but still intact.
I have never seen any of the old stores and it is likely that they are simply boarded up. 1180 Raymond and Kresge's (the current Newark Schools HQ) both had direct access and it still exists as the Newark Penn bound stair to the Military Park Station within 1180 Raymond. McCrory's, which today has the Nike store, also had an underground access to the subway lined with retail, but that was sealed.
http://www.thehistorygirl.com/2013/0...-downtown.html

There is also this article from 2000.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/18/ny...-for-rail.html

There actually was a direct access for streetcars which dove underneath of Cedar Street from Washington Street, and that access still exists, although part of it is walled off.


It can be seen today as a parking lot access.
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