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Old May 20th, 2011, 07:08 PM   #1
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Iraqi Military News & Discussion

I could find a thread to post Iraqi military news so I started one

Lockheed Martin Hopes for Iraq F-16 Contract by Early 2012

Reuters reports that Lockheed Martin hopes to sign sales contracts for up to 18 F-16 fighter jets with both Iraq and Oman by early 2012, and expects to book a total of about 100 additional orders by the end of the decade.
Lockheed is gradually winding down production of the popular multi-role fighter, which is in use by 25 countries worldwide, and was once produced at a rate of one a day, as it ramps up production of the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
The Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified lawmakers last year about possible sales of 18 F-16 fighters to both Iraq and Oman, but both sales have been delayed.
The U.S. military wants Iraq to get the new fighter planes, particularly given plans to withdraw U.S. combat troops from the country, said one government official who was not authorized to speak on the record.
But Iraq announced in February that it would delay the purchase of the new fighter jets to put $900 million of allocated funds into its national food ration program instead.

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Old May 20th, 2011, 07:08 PM   #2
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The Kuwaiti government has asked the United States last year not to arm the Iraqi army with developed weapons that may interfere with the power balance in the region, and it demanded written guarantees that the Iraqi military won’t carry out any operations against countries of the region.
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Nice thread iraqishi3i

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Old May 20th, 2011, 08:04 PM   #4
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Old May 20th, 2011, 08:17 PM   #5
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thanks for the pictures persi
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Old May 20th, 2011, 08:20 PM   #6
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Old May 21st, 2011, 03:44 AM   #7
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great posts guys, these are the refurbished Ukrainian military vehicles bought a while back right (not the abrams, the AN32s)? cause i was just wondering, since when we buy american military (abrams, M11s, etc) equipment usually US forces assist in training our military on how to best utilize and service them. when it comes to these foreign ones, Does the Iraqi military know how to actually repair, use them or are there Ukrainian specialists helping the Iraqi military or what?

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Old May 21st, 2011, 09:34 AM   #8
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Iraq was a previous user of the AN24/AN26 (of which the AN32 is a modern derivative), so they already have people in Iraq who can maintain it (these AN32Bs are new built and not refurbished). The BTR4s are also new built and the Iraqi crews and maintenance crews underwent training in Ukraine last year, Also Iraq has operated the BTR60PB since the 1960s (of which the BTR4 is the modern derivative).

Its a false premise to say that Iraq is a "US" style army. They do use US structure for the units now, and more emphasis on having NCOs in command, but the equipment is a big mix up of Russian types (T55, T72, BTR80, BTR4, Artillery - all russian), with some US types (MRAP, Humvee, M113, Abrams, M109, M198). In the air Iraq also has a mix with introductory trainers being Cessna (US), intermediate trainers Serbian (Lasta) and Advanced trainers Swiss/US (T6A). The helicopter fleet is also a mix of US (Huey, OH58, ARH407), European (EC635) and Russian (Mi171). The transport/cargo/Recon fleet is mostly US however with the exception of the Ukrainian AN32B.
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 06:44 AM   #9
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appreciate the info bruvs, didnt actually know iraq had such built up a decent variety of military equipment in only 8 years, i remember entering iraq in 04 and feeling depressed just looking at all the wreckage of tanks, artilleries, and such spread accross the border with looters disassembling them for spare metal. hopefully the only way is up from here on.

btw, with the helicopters, are they iraq's or are they on loan from the US since i remember reading somewhere that they were loaned out to the iraqi military for training purposes and that we were supposed to buy some between 2012 and 2014.
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 11:41 AM   #10
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I have to admit, I don't really know much about military hardware.. so I can't tell how "advance" these recent additions are.. they don't seem to be very advance to me.. atleast not enough to deter neighbors.. if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me

the F16 deal was postponed (if not scraped), so we have little to nothing to defend our airspace..
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Pictures of 4 Iraqi Lasta aircraft, one of them armed with gun pods









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Old May 25th, 2011, 03:04 PM   #12
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here's the latest addition of the iraqi mod magazine if you're interested

http://www.mod.mil.iq/khaima/pdf/177.pdf

also it seems that Iraq may have finally chosen the Lead in Fighter Trainer aircraft, the Czech L159 after a competition lasting several years against the Korean T50, Italian M346 and British Hawk T2.

http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/view...php?f=10&t=208
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Old June 9th, 2011, 08:36 AM   #13
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"Soldiers Of Babylon"

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Old June 14th, 2011, 02:47 AM   #14
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Ukraine supplies Iraq with 6 planes ahead of time
5/21/2011 11:35 AM

BAGHDAD / Aswat al-Iraq: A Ukrainian company has announced in Kiev on Saturday that it might supply Iraq with 6 light An-32 planes before their scheduled supply time.

“Three out of six planes have been assembled in the Ukraine, but the Iraqi side had not taken its final decision to receive them,” The Manager of Antonov Company told the Kiev Post Newspaper on Saturday.

“The Company shall assemble the remaining 3 planes, as soon as it receives the prices of the 1st 3 planes, included in the contract, signed between Iraq and the Company,” he said.

The newspaper said that the Ukrainian Progress Company for Foreign Trade had signed a contract with Iraq in 2009 for US$550 millions, according to which the company would supply Iraq with 6 light planes and 400 armored cars.

“The Company had supplied Iraq with the first shipment of 26 armored personnel-carriers, whilst the second shipment would be supplied by the end of the current year.

http://en.aswataliraq.info/Default.a...show&id=142661
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 10:43 PM   #15
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It seems that the Saga of Iraq's purchase of Lead In Fighter Trainer continues.

After the Czechs offered Iraq 24 L159s... Iraq has this week gone back to the South Koreans offering oil in exchange for the superior and brand new T50.

http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/view...8&p=1474#p1474

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Apparently the 15th and 16th divisions are cancelled, do you know why?
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I guess because the kurds probably wanted to offload 150,000 of their "peshmergas" onto Iraqi central government pensions and keep the 2 divisions racially segregated with Kurds against Iraqi law.
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I guess because the kurds probably wanted to offload 150,000 of their "peshmergas" onto Iraqi central government pensions and keep the 2 divisions racially segregated with Kurds against Iraqi law.
The KRG already agreed to the 70,000 regular forces idea, and to be honest right now there are around 200,000-375,000 peshmerga (regular, reserve and police) which is just ridiculous.. the KRG spends 20%+ of it's budget on these forces every year.. a 70,000 well trained and armed force would be much better and even they admitted it.

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Kurdistan’s top military official said Wednesday that the semi autonomous region of Iraqi Kurdistan was ready to downsize its armed forces to 70,000, one third of its current size, a step that could resolve one of the longstanding problems between the Kurds and Iraq’s central government.

The decrease in the number of peshmerga troops – currently 200,000 – will be made in order to meet a requirement from Baghdad, which has refused to add the region’s forces, at their current size, to the Iraqi defense forces’ payroll, said Sheikh Ja’afar Mustafa, Kurdistan’s minister of peshmerga affairs, adding that the 130,000 retired troops would either be given pensions or provided with government jobs.
What do you mean? Baghdad wants a mixed force in the KRG?
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Yes. The problem is not just the size of the Peshmarga. Its the fact that the Kurds want Iraq to pay for them regardless of whether they are "active" or "retired".

In my view (and the Iraqi government's view), Since the peshmarga is the KRGs own Militia, its pensions should be from the KRGs own budget and not Iraq's.

Secondly, your question about "mixed" force (from the tone, I guess you were surprised) illustrates amply what I mean by racial segregation which simply isn't acceptable to the Iraqi armed forces, but is considered the "natural way" from the Kurdish perspective.

Basically Kurds want to have their cake (at Central government expense) and eat it.
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Yes. The problem is not just the size of the Peshmarga. Its the fact that the Kurds want Iraq to pay for them regardless of whether they are "active" or "retired".

In my view (and the Iraqi government's view), Since the peshmarga is the KRGs own Militia, its pensions should be from the KRGs own budget and not Iraq's.
But Baghdad takes the defense budget out of the Iraqi budget and then it takes it calculates the KRGs budget which means if we contribute our income to Baghdad, we are paying for the central defense so your reasons are not valid.

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Secondly, your question about "mixed" force (from the tone, I guess you were surprised) illustrates amply what I mean by racial segregation which simply isn't acceptable to the Iraqi armed forces, but is considered the "natural way" from the Kurdish perspective.

Basically Kurds want to have their cake (at Central government expense) and eat it.
I'm not surprised, actually that's exactly what I was expecting... but given the history of Iraq I'm not surprised with the stance of Erbil or Baghdad, there simply isn't any trust.

P.S: I remember reading that Maliki included the peshmerga pay in this years budget, no? but only for 70,000
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