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Old April 9th, 2010, 01:21 PM   #101
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the biggest trains in the USa are indeed coal trains ... and they use electrics to pull them ... so that is not the definite advantage of diesels.


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In the long run it is much more ECONOMICAL to have electric freight than large fleets of diesels ... specially when we are dealing with coal/petrol freight specific traffic.

Nuclear , solar , wind , hidric , coal , petrol all serve to power those same electrics.

Some unknown ELECTRIC locomotives in the navajo tribe deserted lands actually provide the means to the electricity used in the ENTIRE Los Angeles metropolitan area ... not some lame diesels like the ones you see in downtown LA pulling the comuter traffic around there.


The USA was indeed (at some point in the pasT) a leading country in massive electrification of freight routes ... at some point (around early 1970's) they simply decided to commit mas suicide (in economic terms) and almost ALL railroads simply folded and colapsed into bancrupcy ... stupidly dieselisating of otherwise PROFFITABLE electrified corridors contibuted in large part to those same suicides.

Thats only line in Utah and those are left over Amtrak Locos.....
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Old April 9th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #102
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Thats only line in Utah and those are left over Amtrak Locos.....
I think I saw that line when I was on holiday there...is it in the south of Utah? I cnt remember any town names in the area tho
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Old April 9th, 2010, 08:31 PM   #103
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It is true that all US railroads which switched from electrics to diesels went bancrupt. The longest railway in the world Transsib is electrified. So it would make sense in the long term to electrify at least some transcontinental corridor in the US. However the US railroads are listed companies. Every quarter te have to show off some good numbers. Thus they do not make investments which only pay off in 20 years. On the other side Chinese thing in very long terms and so they have a massive electrification program.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 11:48 PM   #104
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the biggest trains in the USa are indeed coal trains ... and they use electrics to pull them ... so that is not the definite advantage of diesels.
These look like electric locomotives to you?:



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Old April 12th, 2010, 06:57 PM   #105
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In fairness he said the biggest were electric, hauling coal. He didn't say all coal was hauled electrically. Though he may be wrong nonetheless.
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These look like electric locomotives to you?:



I love these trains!
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Old April 13th, 2010, 06:02 AM   #107
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It's like a snake. :P Really, freight trains in this country are so underrated IMO.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #108
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Those locomotives must be seriously powerful if two of them can pull all those coal hoppers!
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Old April 13th, 2010, 07:09 PM   #109
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Indeed. But the most powerful freight locos reside in... you guessed it... China, for the use of... you've guessed it again... haulin coal.

But yes. Electric power trains are more powerful in general than their internal combustion counterparts, even for hauling coal. The largest reason for the ineffeciencies of internal combustion is the machincial transmission.
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Those locomotives must be seriously powerful if two of them can pull all those coal hoppers!

I bet there are two more at the end.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 04:10 AM   #111
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Thats only line in Utah and those are left over Amtrak Locos.....
.. as long as Utah remains one of the 50 my statement holds true.

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These look like electric locomotives to you?:

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Yes ... diesel-electric to be precise.

Don't you see the basic flaws in that pictures ???

imported petrol is used to feed those locomotives who haul coal to the powerplants who in turn lighten up yoiur cities ...







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Old April 15th, 2010, 10:19 AM   #112
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.. as long as Utah remains one of the 50 my statement holds true.



Yes ... diesel-electric to be precise.

Don't you see the basic flaws in that pictures ???

imported petrol is used to feed those locomotives who haul coal to the powerplants who in turn lighten up yoiur cities ...







In Utah that line is powered by the Coal Power Plant the Coal is delivered too , here in the Northeast the lines are powered by Hydro , wind , and other clean sources.
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Don't you see the basic flaws in that pictures ???

imported petrol is used to feed those locomotives who haul coal to the powerplants who in turn lighten up yoiur cities ...
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I wasn't talking about the primary source of fuel for the locomotives, I was responding to your post about electric locomotives and saying that the heaviest coal trains in the US aren't hauled by electricity alone.
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Don't you see the basic flaws in that pictures ???

imported petrol is used to feed those locomotives who haul coal to the powerplants who in turn lighten up yoiur cities ...
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I wasn't talking about the primary source of fuel for the locomotives, I was just responding to your post about electric locomotives and saying that the heaviest coal trains in the US aren't hauled by pure electric powered locomotives
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It is true that all US railroads which switched from electrics to diesels went bancrupt.
What you say here is not true.
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We never really see much freight in the UK. I only ever see it at rush hour going thru Manchester Piccadilly I dunno why they run them at the worst time ever
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Old April 21st, 2010, 04:32 AM   #117
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One time I was on a GNER train going from Edimburg to Newcastle and we were "stopped" so a couple of freight(coal trains) could pass ahead of us ...
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We never really see much freight in the UK. I only ever see it at rush hour going thru Manchester Piccadilly I dunno why they run them at the worst time ever
Freight is fairly common on the GEML south of the Felixstowe branch, mainly because of the container port there.
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DMU's like these will replace some Push-pull lines Trainsets in Boston , Chicago , & Seattle.


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DMU's like these will replace some Push-pull lines Trainsets in Boston , Chicago , & Seattle.
The odd thing is that these trains are considered "light rail" in the US, with all attending complications, whereas in Europe they comply with the current mainline rail TSI safety requirements just fine...
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