Hull City F.C. - Official Thread

[Suquondo]

Originally Posted by prezza

I cant see why the Allams should pay more than a token amount which politically may prevent a sale...they would after all then be putting big money creating a sporting village as they said they would at the time of their takeover . This would benefit the whole City hugely,surely even HCC can see this! hmm.

Interesting. A token amount? 46 million to build, 60 million plus value?
If today's press release is anything to go by they are funding a large slice through sporting England, sponsorship & borrowings. I wonder how much of their Egyptian pounds are they to part with?

Originally Posted by prezza

I see no connection or reason why a smaller sport such as rugby should benefit at all directly from any capital. We dont need to mention amounts of fans or interest football having bigger crowds yet being much more expensive to follow which makes it doubly impressive. Suffice is to say we have a great sporting city which the Allams would like to build upon.

Even if the council sell the KC stadium, as it is an asset, the money they receive has to go into their capital account which means it can only be spend on new capital schemes. If two community stadiums were built (Craven Park/Boulevard) & an arena extension these assets would benefit more sports (Professional & Amateur Rugby league, Union, Amateur & local football, Greyhounds, speedway, Ice Hockey etc.) Community facilities used by the community (unlike the KC) and by a greater percentage of Hull's citizens.

[Hull]

Craven park revamp has only just begun
Knowing the council, after last time they had some money to spend, they spent it on double glazing for properties that were going to be demolished so don't expect them to be wise.

What other things not sport related does this city need that the council could fund?

[Suquondo]

Originally Posted by Hull

Craven park revamp has only just begun
Knowing the council, after last time they had some money to spend, they spent it on double glazing for properties that were going to be demolished so don't expect them to be wise.

The revamp has not begun yet. I am saying HCC fully buy the stadium not guarantee a loan. Finance the construction of a modern 15k stadium, finance community facilitys, finance the speedway/greyhound track & let the community regulary use the playing surface (unlike the kc).

Originally Posted by Hull

What other things not sport related does this city need that the council could fund?

I would like to see a HCC sporting asset being sold to create 2 stadia & 1 arena, to benefit more of hulls citizens rather than 20k Hull city fans. What would others prefer?

[Dazzar86]

Originally Posted by pug

Yup it would, but unfortunately as I've posted before it would struggle to be viable. Plus local politics would'nt allow the takeover of LA's (which would have been perfect) due to their own social engineering, rather than allowing the city centre to grow naturally on its own for a bit.

Shame really.

What about the land where the post-war pre-fabs are sat empty, across the road from the LA's site? great position for an O2 - opposite Hull Truck and the new youth centre.

[Dazzar86]

Originally Posted by Suquondo

Why not? I have no idea how much the Allam's would pay or indeed how much HCC would sell for.The sums I stated were merely a wild guess.I would like to see any proceeds used to create more community sporting facility's. Why shouldn't the rugby league fans benefit? There is just the same amount of fans as football in this city.

Warrington's halliwell Jones Stadium is regarded as a model purpose built rugby league Stadium by most supporters. At a construction cost of 12 million and a capacity of 15,000. Craven park & The Boulevard could be rebuilt as two community stadiums.Most Hull/rovers fans would say a small purpose built Rugby league stadium on these line's would be their choice rather than a large football stadium. One could house greyhounds the other speedway and both could hold amateur Rugby & Football ensuring constant income.

I agree the hockey team does not need an increase it was more for concerts and events.The arena idea would be more on the lines of a smaller Nottingham venue.

Why should council money be spent on TWO stadiums? one that would only benefit 12,000 people and one that would benefit just over 9,000 people? Especially when both already have stadia?

...and people whinge about wasting money? bloomin heck!

How about something like a monorail network or a proper North and East Hull park N' ride system - y'know - things that would benefit more than 23,000 people that go watch a sport followed by the minority.


If the Allam's do buy the KC - where would the fair go? When I spoke to the council they said 'where do the Allam's expect one of Hull's oldest traditions to move to?' - They said it can't go on East Park as it would ruin the grass and there isn't a patch of concrete anywhere else in the city that is big enough.

So, the sport village on Walton St car park would be a big no-no.

At the same time, I wouldn't like to see City moved out to Melton. My girlfriend's grandad said Springhead Golf course would be great for a stadium, with good access.

KC could have a roof added to it by the council and it could become a massive arena, run like the MEN?

Ideally I'd like to see the Allam's buy the KC, both rugby clubs stay where they are and the sports village be built on the wasteland near the railway bridge.

[pug]

What about the land where the post-war pre-fabs are sat empty, across the road from the LA's site? great position for an O2 - opposite Hull Truck and the new youth centre.

Better ask your mate in the council about that bit of land, I dont believe they want Ferensway to have a nighlife such as that, stupid as it may be.

Still does'nt solve the viability issue though, and makes it even worse adding the cost of actually building it in the first place.

I also kind of agree with Suquondo. Councillors have mentioned that any money from the sale of the KC would have to be put back into other capital projects. Get the Boulevard back up to scratch and improve Craven park. The KC is just too big for Rugby League, even in the M62 corridor where it seems most popular.

[Hull]

The craven park revamp has started!

The east stand phase two of expansion is currently underway and apparently hull kr are now looking for contractors to construct the new north stand.

I don't see why a o2 academy would not be bible after thinking about it, all big well know bands do well when they actually come to hull (look at biffy clyro etc) I agree with pug though that the city doesn't really support local or less well know bands very well and a venue dedicated to them would probably be seen as less viable.

If the council were going to spend the cash on transport what about a tram system? What's your opinion on those?

Also Birmingham had some money avalable they are currently building a massive state of the art library, what about a state of the art community facility?

[pug]

I don't see why a o2 academy would not be bible after thinking about it, all big well know bands do well when they actually come to hull (look at biffy clyro etc) I agree with pug though that the city doesn't really support local or less well know bands very well and a venue dedicated to them would probably be seen as less viable.

You've contradicted yourself in that paragraph. An 02 Acadamy would not be viable if it was only holding gigs as and when. The current mid-sized venues do that already. As a nightclub, which most of these places act as at weekends, then they would likely not be filled and would kill places like Welly.

Perhaps this topic should be picked up on a different thread?

[livin' hull]

Originally Posted by Suquondo

I would like to see a HCC sporting asset being sold to create 2 stadia & 1 arena, to benefit more of hulls citizens rather than 20k Hull city fans. What would others prefer?

depends on how much cash they get for the KC!

fantasy wishlist -
impound the river Hull

realistic
major resurfacing/improvement project on all Hull Roads!

why does the money have to spent on sporting facilities ? what about benefiting the non sporting majority ?

(just being advocate)

[Dazzar86]

The River project? would bring in tonnes more tourists and perhaps get them to stay overnight for a change - which would benefit a lot of people locally, shops, cafes etc...

relaying Queen Victoria Sq would smarten up the appearance of the city - benefits the whole of Hull.

[pug]

I think roads should be of utmost importance, though is that a 'capital' project?. The River project would need a private backer i reckon. Keeping constant tide on the river Hull would be good to see, but i dont think its viable in reality.

[Bushy_Badger]

Originally Posted by Dazzar86

If the Allam's do buy the KC - where would the fair go? When I spoke to the council they said 'where do the Allam's expect one of Hull's oldest traditions to move to?'.

It could always fook off to another city and take hundreds of thousands out of another cities economy.

The reason it is the the biggest travelling fair in the country is because the people of Hull are stupid enough to be ripped off by this scam.

[livin' hull]

@Bushy

I take it you're not a fan of the fair then ?

as for the River Scheme... costs where put at £200million approx. so dont think the sale of the KC would help much!

[pug]

I would'nt go as far as Bushy, but i do think the fair is getting tired and needs some sort of different direction. People think of Walton Street as the rightful location, but thats not even its historic home. I suspect it is a significant source of revenue for the council though...

[Hull]

R.E the river: Private investment joint with hull cc?

I agree about re paving hull city centre,queen Victoria square and jamson street would become slot more attractive,

Out of interest could the council use the money to just build a medium sizes retail, cafe and restaurant block? Or would they be not allowed to get involved in a commercial project?

I'd say with the money what about the TJ hughs building a 8 story block and the whole ground floor full of retail, restaurants and cafes would be a good investment along with the repave of jamson street, or the old post office for a smaller retail development?

[pug]

Hull, i think we need to be a lot more realistic and look whats actually already been put on the table. Roads should come out on top, some of the major routes are a disgrace.

Saying that I have a bad feeling that the council will try to drive too hard a bargain and get on the wrong side of the Allams.

[Hull]

But surly there's money in another pot for the road infrastructure, I thought the goverment recently announced a amount of Money for each local council to repair roads?

[pug]

Im not sure Hull, but what Im trying to say is that you are suggesting things that have not even been planned by anyone. What I mean is what projects are awaiting funding? Not what are you wanting to see personally.

[Hull]

I see what you mean, sorry.

I'm not really sure what projects are awaiting funding apart from gateway but that's probably not a good suggestion.

[pug]

There will undoubtedly be certain clauses which would stipulate what the money can be spent on in such a circumstance.