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Old November 16th, 2009, 12:57 PM   #1
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MISC | How many HSL have you used already?

Copying the idea from the "how many conventional tubes have you ride already" i´ve decided to created this spin off thread!

Just wondering what High Speed Lines have our dear forumers already used.

As for me, i have just used HST in Spain, and this are the lines i have used:

Madrid - Seville (over 50 times)
Madrid - Malaga (Twice)
Madrid - Valladid (6 times or so)
Madrid - Barcelona (10 times or so)

So as far as i know, i´m just missing here in Spain the line Madrid - Toledo

I´d love to use the Paris -London line, or even better, the London - Bruxelles conection.

And of course, it would also be lovely to go on high speed rails in Japan!

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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:06 PM   #2
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Beijing-Tianjin (187 times)
Qinhuangdao-Shenyang (8 times)
Hefei-Nanjing (Once)
Ningbo-Taizhou-Wenzhou (Once)
Wenzhou-Fuzhou (Once)
Shanghai Maglev (4 times)
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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:14 PM   #3
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Beijing-Tianjin (187 times)
you keep the tickets?
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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:21 PM   #4
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I´d love to the London - Bruxelles conection.
I have, it's dull. The countryside in that part of Europe isn't anything to write home about and the Chunnel is just a dark tube, there's no excitement to be had. If it had been a bridge instead of a tunnel, it would have been awesome. Now it's just boring.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:24 PM   #5
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you keep the tickets?
Sure.

Tickets from the first two months (August & September 2008):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20...6%E7%A5%A8.jpg

Tickets from year 2008 (including non-high-speed tickets):

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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:28 PM   #6
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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:30 PM   #7
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As for me:

Turin - Milan on Italian AV Trains (twice, both were return tickets)
Milan - Rome (once, return)
Milan - Florence (once, return)
Turin - Paris on French TGV (once, return)
Frankfurt - Erfurt on German ICE (once, return)
Tokyo - Kyoto on Shinkansen N700 Nozomi (once, one-way).

TGV wasn't neither comfortable nor on time, but it gave me the chance to admire great landscapes (the French Champagne region is something special); the Italian Eurostar was great for comfort and quite on time, but kinda slow, speaking about average speed. the most stunning experience was the Shinkansen, 12k Yen well spent.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #8
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I think you brought an old TGV not refurbished: there is a big difference in confort with 'new' duplex IMO
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Old November 16th, 2009, 05:23 PM   #9
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Except for the Korean KTX I've used all HSR system currently in existence (Germany - ICE, France - TGV, Benelux - Thalys, UK - Eurostar, Spain - AVE, Italy - TAV, Portugal - Alfa Pendular, US - Acela Express, Japan - Shinkansen, China - CHR, Taiwan - THSR)

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US: New York - Washington, New York - Boston, New York - Philadelphia

Japan: Tokyo - Nagoya - Kyoto - Osaka - Himeji - Okayama - Hiroshima - Fukuoka

Taiwan: Taipei - Kaohsiung, Taipei - Taichung, Taipei - Tainan

China: Guangzhou - Shenzhen
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Old November 16th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #10
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TGV wasn't neither comfortable nor on time, but it gave me the chance to admire great landscapes (the French Champagne region is something special)
Er... yes, quite something special, but it is not on the route Turin-Paris. The only TGV that would have let you gaze out at the Champagne Departement is Paris-Strasbourg.

Personally, I've used HS trains in every European country that has them - except for Russia, if we decide to consider their new Sapsan between Moscow and St. Petersburg as HS in its current form. My favourite so far was Spain (where I only tried one line: Sevilla-Madrid) on account of the combination of speed, comfort and scenery. On the contrary, in France, the speed is great, but the comfort, and in the north of the country also the scenery, is disappointing. In German ICEs the comfort is great, but the speed is disappointing and the scenery is so-so. In Italy the scenery is great, but the comfort is so-co and the speed is disappointing.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 07:08 PM   #11
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Er... yes, quite something special, but it is not on the route Turin-Paris. The only TGV that would have let you gaze out at the Champagne Departement is Paris-Strasbourg.

Personally, I've used HS trains in every European country that has them - except for Russia, if we decide to consider their new Sapsan between Moscow and St. Petersburg as HS in its current form. My favourite so far was Spain (where I only tried one line: Sevilla-Madrid) on account of the combination of speed, comfort and scenery. On the contrary, in France, the speed is great, but the comfort, and in the north of the country also the scenery, is disappointing. In German ICEs the comfort is great, but the speed is disappointing and the scenery is so-so. In Italy the scenery is great, but the comfort is so-co and the speed is disappointing.
I've only used the Madrid-Barcelona and the Rome-Milano HSR but one thing I don't understand is why they don't put more comfortable seats in the trains. Today they only use fake leather or some cheap fabric and the end result is just plain. Still today the most comfortable trains I've ridden were the regional trains in southern Sweden, I think they had/have similar ones in Denmark.

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Old November 16th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #12
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I've only used the Madrid-Barcelona and the Rome-Milano HSR but one thing I don't understand is why they don't put more comfortable seats in the trains. Today they only use fake leather or some cheap fabric and the end result is just plain. Still today the most comfortable trains I've ridden were the regional trains in southern Sweden, I think they had/have similar ones in Denmark.
Hum... well, the Germans use real leather (unless I'm mistaken?) in their first class ICE trains. I guess I'm just a spoilt brat: I travelled - on company money, please note - on business class in a Spanish AVE train and got seduced by the video screens, the (fake?) leather seats and the cabin services. Still, the scenery between Sevilla and Madrid IS and REMAINS breath taking.

As for the Swedish regional train you showed, yes, their interior decoration (first class, on the photo you provided) is identical to what they have in the Danish IC3 intercities.

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I think you brought an old TGV not refurbished: there is a big difference in confort with 'new' duplex IMO
Yes, but the most comfortable TGVs these days are IMO not the new duplexes but the refurbished TGV Reseaux that now run between Gare de l'Est and northeastern France.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 09:17 PM   #13
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I've only been on the Eurostar, London - Paris and London - Brussels. The first time I used it the train was still departing from London Waterloo and had to crawl through South London behind some all stops commuter service before it got onto the high speed tracks which was a bit of an embarrasment, but the second and third times were from St Pancras, wonderful station and high speed all the way baby!
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Old November 16th, 2009, 09:32 PM   #14
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The Netherlands

HSL Zuid, Schiphol - Rotterdam (only 160 km/h)

Germany

Köln - Frankfurt
Mannheim – Stuttgart
Hanover – Berlin (only with a conventional train with 200 km/h)

Belgium/France

Brussels - Lille - Eurotunnel (in 1995, way before the line in England opened)

Japan

Tokaido Shinkansen: Tokyo - Osaka
Sanyo Shinkansen: Osaka - Hakata
Kyushu Shinkansen: Yatsushiro - Kagoshima
Tohoku Shinkansen: Tokyo - Fukushima (the only existing line where I didn't ride the whole route)
Nagano Shinkansen: Tokyo - Nagano
Joetsu Shinkansen: Tokyo - Niigata
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Old November 17th, 2009, 12:07 AM   #15
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Portugal
Alfa Pendular Lisboa-Porto-Braga
Alfa Pendular Lisboa-Faro

Spain
Alvia(?) Sevilla-Cordoba Codroba-Sevilla
AVE Sevilla-Codroba Codroba-Sevilla

UK
Virgin Pendolino Londo-Birmingham/Manchester/Glasgow (and back)
GNER HST/Mallard.IC London-York/Edimburg/Glasgow (and back)
FGW,GNER HST's
Virgin Voyagers
Can a SW 442 and such be considered HSR ???

France
TGV Hendaye-Bordeus (actually never used a TGV in a proper HSL section)

Those I actually travelled in ... I've also been inside some other HS trains:

German ICE-T (in vienna)
Italian Pendulino + Sisalpino + ETR500
Does the Shinkansen car inside York Railway museum count ??? guess not.

The reason that I travelled so little by HST is preciselly that I don't like to ride in them ... I even rode the FGW/GNER HST's in the end of the coach for the entire journeys of Penzance-Paddington and KX-Edimburg (going by carstairs).
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I've been on the TGV Paris-Nice and Paris-Perpignan, loads of times.

Also the Euro star London-Paris...
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I've been on the Eurostar London-Brussells once service just once. It didn't ever feel like it did 186mph, the ride was so silky smooth and the engine was really quiet.



Do 125 mph lines count?
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I've been on the Eurostar London-Brussells once service just once. It didn't ever feel like it did 186mph, the ride was so silky smooth and the engine was really quiet.



Do 125 mph lines count?
I guess they do in the technical term. But really true HSR is 180Mph+
All of England's main lines are 125Mph.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 09:04 PM   #19
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I want to drive them all s but so far the list looks like this.

Arlanda Express, Stockholm to Arlanda Airport.
ICE between Hamburg and Dortmund/Münich.

But my twin brother has been on Thalys between Amsterdam and Paris and TGV between Paris and Lyon.
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Brussels - Paris : boring scenery (although it's amazing to see the cars and
trucks on the nearby motorway, looking as if they were glued to the
pavement, while the TGV zips along at 300 kph) and very basic rolling stock
(uncomfortable seats, cramped, cheap fabric, no power plugs, etc) but soooo
convenient !

Antwerp-Dutch border (ridden the new HSL but at slow speed on conventional
rolling stock as there is no high speed service on this line yet - this is coming
in december).

Brussels-Liège-Aachen-Köln : scenery boring for the first part, great
afterwards, and wonderful rolling stock : ICE3-M.

Brussels-London : boring scenery - In Belgium and France, the line is for
its most part below the natural level of ground, so you don't actually get to
see anything - except in UK, rolling stock a bit better than average. Also tried
first class (on business expenses) on Eurostar and that was truly great,
including fantastic cabin service. But then, what to expect when you are
almost the only traveller in your coach, with one attendant to look after
you alone, full time ;-)

Aachen-Frankfurt : great scenery if you can manage to see the front view -
I did - and same great rolling stock.

Paris-Lyon-Marseille : great scenery, specially south of Lyon, rolling stock as
basic as Thalys - but I did not manage to test duplex sets.

Paris-Tours-Bordeaux-Irun (Only Paris-Tours is true high-speed : scenery
quite banal and worst rolling stock ever (TGV atlantique)

Cordoba-Madrid : Great scenery and rolling stock.

I will add to that the followoing : for me, no TGV set I have tried so far is
as comfortable as a classical international coach, with separate compartments
and lateral gangway - provided of course that the compartment have only
6 seats, and not 8 like they do in France, or even better, 4 seats only like I
saw in Turkey and Iran, and windows that you can get open and lean through. That in my opinion beats any airco. This is why I try to avoid now
to use high speed lines when travelling, even for long distances. Next spring,
I'm going to travel Bruxelles-Algesiras(Spain)-Marrakech(Morocco) and that
will be without using one single mile of HSL.
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