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Old November 18th, 2009, 07:19 PM   #1
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The DEPARTMENT STORES of Newcastle - of the Past, Present and Future.

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The Department Stores of Newcastle


The below list of 'links' to each store was actually compiled as an INDEX towards the end of the thread (see Post 231).

But it has now also been inserted into here (into this first post) as it also makes a very useful "CONTENTS PAGE" here at the beginning of the thread.

The CONTENTS (below) lists all the links to the MAIN 'Historical' posts only (effectively 'summaries' of each Department Store of the past/present/future) and does NOT include links to any of the 'later discussion posts', even if they are about one of the listed Department Stores . . .



A - Newcastle Department Stores - of the PAST.

01 - WENGERS.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=28
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...1&postcount=26

02 - HOWARDS.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...1&postcount=32
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=35
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=36
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...1&postcount=38
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=261
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=263
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=267

03 - WATERLOO HOUSE.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=118
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=121

04 - J T PARRISH.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=146
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=157
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=256

05 - BINNS.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=92
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=102
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=108
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=114
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=260
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=409
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=416

06 - CO-OP DEPT STORE

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=159
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=175
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=176
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=164

07 - FARNONS

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=124
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=126
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=128
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=237

08 - BEAVANS

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=258
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=259
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=260


B - Newcastle Department Stores - of the possible FUTURE.

09 - HARVEY NICHOLS

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...9&postcount=10
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...3&postcount=13
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=15

10 - SELFRIDGES

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...3&postcount=23



C - Newcastle Department Stores - CURRENT.

11 - BAINBRIDGES / JOHN LEWIS

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...21&postcount=2
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...9&postcount=17
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...41&postcount=3
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=239
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=241
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=291

12 - FENWICKS

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...3&postcount=45
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...5&postcount=49
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=53
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...9&postcount=70
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...9&postcount=83
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...1&postcount=89
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=90
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=371

13 - T J HUGHES

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=184
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=234

14 - DEBENHAMS

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=200
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=220


NB - You can either use the above LINKS, or just read on through the thread datally, in the normal way . .



SO, what is this thread all about . . .

In summary . . if there is one type of retail building that (to me) signifies that you are in a BIG CITY, it is the major Department Store.

Especially if there are quite a number of them. From Selfridges and Harrods in London, to Fenwick and Bainbridge here in Newcastle, there is a unique magic about these large, often confusing, stores. They can be "a world in themselves" . . .

They should not be confused, as they sometimes are, with the ‘common or garden’ Chain Store, such as your Marks & Spencer or British Home Stores.

A proper ‘Department Store’ is a very different animal indeed from the humble Chain Store. They are unique and usually very 'large' places. They are exciting places to visit, you can often GET LOST in them almost. Usually, you can have reasonable expectations of finding pretty well everything you might want in them!

I think there is a lot to say about ‘The Department Stores of Newcastle’ . . their past, their present and their future. So, I felt they warranted a thread all of their own.

We have a strong history of Department Stores here in Newcastle, hopefully in this thread we can cover all of those from our past and our present, and even 'dip in' to the stories and rumours about possible Department Stores of the future!

We can then cover the opening of our newest City Centre Department store, due next February, that of the Eldon Square/Newgate Street branch of Debenhams.


NOW, A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ABOUT 'DEPARTMENT STORES' . . .

Before we get into details of our specific Department Stores, I would like to kick off this thread with the following, copied into here from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not perhaps always the MOST reliable of information, but this is certainly an interesting article, particularly the 'second paragraph', covering the ‘History of the Department Store’ . . .

LINK - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_stores

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Department Stores.

A department store is a retail establishment which specializes in satisfying a wide range of the consumer's personal and residential durable goods product needs; and at the same time offering the consumer a choice multiple merchandise lines, at variable price points, in all product categories. Department stores usually sell products including apparel, furniture, home appliances, electronics, and additionally select other lines of products such as paint, hardware, toiletries, cosmetics, photographic equipment, jewelery, toys, and sporting goods.

Certain department stores are further classified as discount department stores. Discount department stores commonly have central customer checkout areas, generally in the front area of the store.

Department stores are usually part of a retail chain of many stores situated around a country or several countries.

History of the Department Store.

Bainbridge (now John Lewis) in Newcastle upon Tyne, is the world’s oldest Department Store

It is still known to many of its customers as Bainbridge, despite the recent name change to 'John Lewis'.

This much-loved Newcastle institution dates back to 1838 when Emerson Muschamp Bainbridge was aged 21 when he went into partnership with William Alder Dunn and opened a draper’s and fashion in Market Street, Newcastle.

In terms of retailing history, one of the most significant facts about the Newcastle Bainbridge shop, is that as early as 1849 weekly takings were recorded by department, making it the earliest of all department stores. This ledger survives and is kept in the John Lewis archives who bought the Bainbridge store in 1952.

John Lewis retained its original name of Bainbridge until 2002, when the store was rebranded as John Lewis Newcastle.

That it sorted goods out into Departments in 1849, three years before Le Bon Marche in Paris did the same, there is a strong case for Bainbridge being the world's original department store.

So now, the rest of this thread will be taken up with individual posts containing information and photos about the various Newcastle Department Stores of the "past", "present" and (hoped for) "future" . . .

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Bainbridge/John Lewis Department Store.
(Part One.)

We start with the 'Bainbridge & Co Ltd' Department Store, long before it actually became a part of the John Lewis Partnership . . .



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History of the Department Store.

Bainbridge (now John Lewis) in Newcastle upon Tyne, is the world’s oldest Department Store

It is still known to many of its customers as Bainbridge, despite the recent name change to 'John Lewis'.

This much-loved Newcastle institution dates back to 1838 when Emerson Muschamp Bainbridge was aged 21 when he went into partnership with William Alder Dunn and opened a draper’s and fashion in Market Street, Newcastle.

In terms of retailing history, one of the most significant facts about the Newcastle Bainbridge shop, is that as early as 1849 weekly takings were recorded by department, making it the earliest of all department stores. This ledger survives and is kept in the John Lewis archives who bought the Bainbridge store in 1952.

John Lewis retained its original name of Bainbridge until 2002, when the store was rebranded as John Lewis Newcastle.

That it sorted goods out into Departments in 1849, three years before Le Bon Marche in Paris did the same, there is a strong case for Bainbridge being the world's original department store.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_stores
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An advertisement for Bainbridges, and for their exhibit at the "1929 North East Coast Exhibition" . .



Information on 'Emerson Muschamp Bainbridge' and a very interesting 1887 advert for 'Bainbridges Warehousemen' . . .


Then, into the 1960's, and it is interesting to see that in this 1960s advert, Bainbridge actually refer to themselves as "BAINBRIDGES" which is the name people often called them (with the letter "s" on the end!) . . .



More information is available in the below article, from the 'John Lewis' Website . .

The history of John Lewis Newcastle . . .

The world’s oldest Department Store?

Still known to many of its customers as Bainbridge, this much-loved Newcastle institution dates back to 1838.

Emerson Muschamp Bainbridge was just 21 when in 1838 he went into partnership with William Alder Dunn and opened a draper’s and fashion in Market Street, Newcastle. The youngest of seven, he was apprenticed for five years to William Kidd of Newcastle to learn the drapery trade. After experience in London, he returned to go into business with Dunn.



From the beginning they stressed that all prices were fixed - a novelty in 1838. They prided themselves on offering a wide assortment and good value.

Sales were for ready money only, and stocks were replenished by sea from London. Despite success the partners fell out and went their separate ways.

In terms of retailing history, one of the most significant facts about Bainbridge’s shop is that as early as 1849 weekly takings were recorded by department, making it one of the earliest of all department stores. This ledger survives and is kept in our archives.



Many of the assistants lived in a hostel near the shop and, despite strict rules, the Bainbridge staff were treated better than most. Above all there was the Albert House Benevolent Society founded in 1870 to help former and present employees who had fallen on hard times.

It was funded by subscriptions from the assistants that were matched by the company. Help was available to all, whether they had subscribed or not, and the only criterion was that of need.

Emerson Bainbridge died in 1892 and control of the business passed to his sons. In 1897 the business was turned into a private limited company and during the following years new technology was embraced, including gas engine powered pneumatic cash tubes.

In 1923 Bainbridge opened a `marble-lined` food hall, which offered such delicacies as speciality sausages, galantines and haggis. There was also a thriving trade in unusual services, like the production of trade union banners.



Centenary celebrations in 1938 were market by special promotions and the publication of a booklet `A Century of Service`. This title became the shop’s logo and was incorporated into transport liveries.

The Depression hit the North East of England badly and throughout the two decades a significant part of the shop’s trade depended upon agents who operated in less prosperous areas, collecting payments in weekly instalments. As a system it meant that people on low incomes could continue to buy from the shop and it kept the Bainbridge name and reputation known in areas where otherwise it might have faded away.

More, difficult years were to come. When war was declared in 1939, part of the shop was requisitioned. A large air-raid shelter was built and observation turrets on the roof provided lookout posts for air-raid wardens.



At the end of the war, George V M Bainbridge, the great-grandson of the founder, was eager to revive the business and set up the `Bainbridge Renaissance` project. However, financial resources were short and by 1952 it had become clear that if the business was to continue to expand, it needed to ally itself with a larger organisation.

That year an offer from the John Lewis Partnership was accepted and in 1953 Bainbridge formally joined the Partnership.

There was now capital to expand and modernise the shop. Departments were refurbished, and many of the characteristics of the old Bainbridge disappeared.



In 1976 the store was resited in a major new shopping centre in Eldon Square. In 2002 further refurbishment took place, and in the same year Partners at Bainbridge decided to join most of the other department stores in the John Lewis group and take the name of the founder.

Whatever the locals call it, John Lewis Newcastle continues to prove a magnet for customers from all over the Northeast.

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The original and mentioned 'Bainbridge & Co Ltd' in all it's glory back in 1912 ..

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I remember the first time I ever went in Fenwick's on my own, got lost for about half an hour!

That picture of Bainbridge's above is fantastic.
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The only other previous ones that I remember in my lifetime were Callers on Northumberland st which closed around 1984 and was replaced with The Place, then Hamleys/Virgin, then ????? and now HMV, and Binns.
what about Farnon's (i think that was the name) on Newgate Street. that was always our first port of call for a saturday in town, i think because it joined on to the greenmarket. also had pnuematic internal mailing system for putting credit slips in, then you'd watch them shoot off up the pipe.
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what about Farnon's (i think that was the name) on Newgate Street. that was always our first port of call for a saturday in town, i think because it joined on to the greenmarket. also had pnuematic internal mailing system for putting credit slips in, then you'd watch them shoot off up the pipe.
oh yes .. I remenber Farnon's .. it also used to occupy both sides of Nun St at one time .. here's a piccy ..

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i wish we could launch a campaign to change john lewis back to bainbridges. i remember they took a vote of staff at the newcastle branch and majority wanted to be john lewis "because when you are outside newcastle people havent heard of bainbridges". way to hoy out a great piece of history. idiots.
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I remember we were talking about Department Stores for a while, on the old 'Full Summary of Projects' thread. In answer to something, I summarised my thoughts at the time . . .

Posted on 7th January 2008.
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Previous recent posts have referred to the possible addition to the number of genuine Department Stores in Newcastle. This has lead me to think about how the current and possible future situations, compare to the fairly recent past.

RECENT PAST (1970s)

1. Fenwick – Northumberland Street.
2. Bainbridge (John Lewis) – Grey Street/Grainger St/Bigg Market.
3. Binns (House of Fraser) – Grey Street.
4. Farnons - Nun Street.
5. Wengers – Grainger Street.
6. Parrish – Shields Road (the only one outside the City Centre)
7. Co-op Department Store – Newgate Street.

NOW

1. Fenwick – Northumberland Street.
2. John Lewis (formerly Bainbridge) – Eldon Square.
3. T J Hughes – Grainger Street.

NEAR FUTURE (PERHAPS)

1. Fenwick – Northumberland Street.
2. John Lewis (formerly Bainbridge) – Eldon Square.
3. T J Hughes – Grainger Street.
4. Debenhams – Eldon Square.
5. One of : Selfridge/House of Fraser/Harvey Nicks in Pilgrim Street?

In reality, as far as big national Department Stores go, I think most of them regard the Metrocentre as an adjunct of the City Centre, so they, as a rule, will not usually consider a store in both places. They look at the two places combined, as one. Other retailers perhaps do not, but big Department Stores seem to.

For example, House of Fraser will no doubt regard their Metrocentre store as their “Newcastle” store, for this region. It is interesting, though, that Debenhams are about to break that rule!

Looking at the above, the ‘NOW’ section looks a bit light, but if you add the two Metrocentre Department stores into the ‘effective Newcastle’ mix, it doesn’t look so bad.

We could certainly do with one or two more though. Either Selfridge or Harvey Nichols along Pilgrim Street, would suit me (and the wife . .) just fine!

Certainly, there seem to be less big Department Stores around in the City Centre & Metrocentre combined, than there used to be at one time in Newcastle!
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Harvey Nichols

We've talked a little bit about the 'past' in relation to Department Stores (a LOT more to talk about still on that, I'm sure) but how about the FUTURE?

Or, at least, the future as it was seen in 2000. On September 6th 2000, the Journal published an article about the (considered to be) quite strong likelihood that Harvey Nichols were going to open in Newcastle. They cited the fact that Harvey Nicks had looked at 'St Nicholas Building' (opposite St Nicholas Cathedral and the Castle/Black Gate) and at 'the C&A store' in Northumberland St (now Primark!!) but had gone to Manchester instead.

The possible building mentioned in the below article (Carliol House) would certainly make an impressive big Department Store in my view, as the photo (in the article) shows really.

Anyway, an interesting article about the future, that hasn't arrived yet . . .


Journal, Commercial Property Section, Wed September 6th 2000.

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I'd add a couple more to the 'historic' list:

Beavans of Shields Road, and the small but perfectly-formed Wooster's of Pudding Chare, which continued to exist in a 1920s time-warp until it finally packed up some time in the late 90s, I think.
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. They cited the fact that Harvey Nicks had looked at 'St Nicholas Building' (opposite St Nicholas Cathedral and the Castle/Black Gate)
And what a car-crash of a decision that would have been! I can scarcely believe that a major company would even look obnce at such an out-of-the-way location. But if they'd gone ahead you can bet your bottom dollar that after it had all gone spectacularly wrong, it would have been blamed on the ignorant Geordie plebs who couldn't appreciate the riches they were being offered.
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Harvey Nichols Newcastle plans . . .

My newspaper article at 'Post 10' is from September 2000, yet Harvey Nichols were/are still said to be actively considering a new Department Store, somewhere in Newcastle as recently as October 12th 2007 . . .



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My newspaper article at 'Post 10' is from September 2000, yet Harvey Nichols were/are still said to be actively considering a new Department Store, somewhere in Newcastle as recently as October 12th 2007 . . .


Eek! Having just re-read my post I realise it is open to different readings - by out-of-the-way location I meant St Nicholas Buildings (a canny step from any other top end retail, with the dubious delights of the Bigg Market inbetween) rather than the fine city of Newcastle, for whom, it goes without saying, no retailer can be 'too good'.
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Eek! Having just re-read my post I realise it is open to different readings - by out-of-the-way location I meant St Nicholas Buildings (a canny step from any other top end retail, with the dubious delights of the Bigg Market inbetween) rather than the fine city of Newcastle, for whom, it goes without saying, no retailer can be 'too good'.
I think most people would have realised you meant that!

St Nicholas Buildings is a large and very beautiful building, that would really suit (as a 'building') an up-market Department Store like Harvey Nichols - just 'imagine it' in the below photos . . .

It is in a fantastic 'tourist-type' location, alongside the Castle / St Nicholas Cathedral / Black Gate, etc.




but the 'footfall' would not be there, it is simply (unfortunately) in the WRONG place for a Department Store!

(NB - The above two PHOTOS, courtesy of TownPlanningNE)

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Bainbridges on Market st looks fantastic!, what was it like inside NH?
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Bainbridge/John Lewis Department Store.
(Part Two.)

Bainbridge & Co Ltd, which after 1952 became . . "Bainbridge, a branch of the John Lewis Partnership"

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Bainbridges on Market st looks fantastic!, what was it like inside NH?
Bainbridge (or, "Bainbridges" as many people, including me, call it) was still at its original premises until as recently as 1976, when it moved to its current premises in Eldon Square (see bottom photo, below) and gave us the famous 'Mushroom Cafe'.

It is often said that the original premises had entrances in "Market Street and Bigg Market" (which is true) but it was a very long store, and also had an entrance (about halfway along its length) on 'Grainger Street'. The small entrance on Grainger Street was where the main entrance to 'T J Hughes Discount Department Store', now is.

Inside, to me as a young-un, the place was just the same as Fenwicks, and Binns, etc. In other words it was a big, massive, easy-to-get-lost-in, world of its own. As a young lad, I really didn't differentiate too much between them all, so I cannot say too much about 'decor styles' or 'exclusive ranges', or whatever. My Mother would have been the one to speak to about that!

The main things I remember are that, if you went in at Market Street, you could "walk for ever" and eventually end up at Bigg Market, and that about halfway along that walk, at groundfloor level on the 'extreme right', you would come to a long flight of stairs down to the basement. If you went down there, you would emerge into a massive space (as I remember it!) with an endless number of Barbers Chairs around all of the four walls, with lots of men in 'red nylon jackets', waiting to cut your hair . . . whether you wanted it or not!! I say 'or not', because I remember my mother taking me to this fairly intimidating place, to reluctantly get my scruffy hair cut, a fair few times. It is interesting (for me, anyway!) to see on the '1930' photo of the side entrance in Grainger Street (see below) that the "Gentlemens Hairdressers" is prominently advertised above the entrance door! YES, the basement hairdressers/barbers, is definitely MY main memory of the original Bainbridges store!

I would imagine that most people who used to go there will remember far more about the place than I do . . but for what it's worth, those are my recollections.

Here are some newspaper articles and old photos, to help 'clarify' things a bit further . . .

A retrospective article from 'The Journal' of 1st September 2007.




Bainbridges 'Market Street Entrance', showing just how close they were to Binns Department Store (House of Fraser) on a VERY busy prosperous retail Market Street. This photo was taken in May 1953, as was the one immediately after marked "1950s Newcastle" . .




Bainbridges 'Grainger Street Entrance'. Two RARE (and quite old) photos of this relatively small side-entrance to the store, the first one was taken in 1954 and the second one in the early 1930s . .




Bainbridges 'Bigg Market Entrance'. In this photo the entrance is situated next to "C & A", which was in temporary premises there while their big replacement store in Northumberland Street (now 'Primark') was being built. Their temporary premises, shown here, are in "Murton House", which (and not many people remember this) was actually part of the "three-site" Co-op Department Store, whose main premises was on (the recently closed) Newgate Street. More about these "three sites" when we cover the 'Co-op Department Store' (as I'm sure we will do) later in this thread. This photo was taken in 1974.


and here is a good, much earlier, photo of Bainbridges 'Bigg Market' entrance in 1931, found in Jan 2010 . .


and now here is a PHOTO that I have only just found (January 2010) of Bainbridges Department Store in 1971. This is a fantastic photo for me, as it is EXACTLY how I remember it being, when I was a young-un!!



And finally, after the big move from their old premises, the NEW Bainbridges opens in Eldon Square in 1976 . . seen here that year . .
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Of course nowadays (sadly) after the staff and partners at the store voted to change its name, Bainbridges is now known (to some!) as 'John Lewis' . .


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am i right in thinking that the 4 storey buildings 3rd and 4th down in the picture were demolished fairly recently for the awful TJ Hughes entrance?
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am i right in thinking that the 4 storey buildings 3rd and 4th down in the picture were demolished fairly recently for the awful TJ Hughes entrance?
Looks like!
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This photo was taken in 1998
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i can't believe that ever got through planning. how could they demolish two old buildings in such a historic square? To replace them with the red brick tat currently in its place. they must've been desperate for TJ Hughes to come to the city, who in turn dragged down the surrounding area...what a great decision all round.
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i can't believe that ever got through planning. how could they demolish two old buildings in such a historic square? To replace them with the red brick tat currently in its place. they must've been desperate for TJ Hughes to come to the city, who in turn dragged down the surrounding area...what a great decision all round.
Oh no!!!, what a disaster!!! While the building in its place is not the worst I have ever seen, its still terrible to think they knocked down those old buildings to replace them with this:

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