CZECH REPUBLIC | Railways

[nachalnik]

The deal to buy 7 railjets is now confirmed, according to several Czech web-sources.

http://www.vz24.cz/clanky/dozorci-ra...roby-railjetu/
http://www.zelpage.cz/zpravy/8665
http://byznys.ihned.cz/zpravodajstvi...paign=mediafed


The 7 Czech railjets (hauled by ÖBB 1216) will be used on a new direct route Prague - Vienna - Graz.
According to http://www.ice-treff.de/index.php?mode=thread&id=195768 ongoing negotiations with MAV and ZSSK about using railjets also between Prague and Budapest might lead to a deal about the remaining 8 railjets (orginially intended for the line Prague - Berlin - Hamburg).

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Originally Posted by svt11

In Bulgaria we plan to buy new trains for 300mln euro. Do you know how much does it cost 471 City Elefant?

About €9 mln per unit (2011)

[Mr_Dru]

Originally Posted by Qwert

Yes, it's true. They have ordered also new coaches, but they weren't yet delivered.

This is how they look from the inside:

First of all I like your new Leo Express train! The first class seats looks like in a airplane, how luxury is that. it looks very comfy.

But I notice the picture above have almost the same kind of interior, but different colours as the Dutch 1st class coaches. This is a Dutch renewed intercity wagon (from 1980). I see the same kind of chair and light above. But the black seats looks more comfortable then the red seats btw.

[KingNick]

Originally Posted by nachalnik

The deal to buy 7 railjets is now confirmed, according to several Czech web-sources.

http://www.vz24.cz/clanky/dozorci-ra...roby-railjetu/
http://www.zelpage.cz/zpravy/8665
http://byznys.ihned.cz/zpravodajstvi...paign=mediafed


The 7 Czech railjets (hauled by ÖBB 1216) will be used on a new direct route Prague - Vienna - Graz.
According to http://www.ice-treff.de/index.php?mode=thread&id=195768 ongoing negotiations with MAV and ZSSK about using railjets also between Prague and Budapest might lead to a deal about the remaining 8 railjets (orginially intended for the line Prague - Berlin - Hamburg).

If they really wanna introduce an 2 hour interval between Prague and Graz, which I hope, the 7 CD Railjets won't be enough (one circle would at least be 16 hours). I'd say ÖBB has to come up with 3 more train sets for such a service, which leads me to my next question: ÖBB right now has 15 1216.2xx. Is this number high enough? To my knowledge Siemens is not producing EuroSprinters anymore.

Prague - Bratislava - Budapest is also interesting regarding the locos. Any alternatives to CD 380s?

[KingNick]

According to this page (http://ekonomika.idnes.cz/ceske-drah...ko-doprava_spi) CD Railjets will looks like this:







For my liking this is soooo dull.... Should have sticked to ÖBB's design with CD colors:

[thun]

Yeah, it's not the best scheme.
Anyways, the line Prague-Graz sounds very good.
Eurosprinters could be replaced by Vectron locos. Obviously the front design doesn't fit anymore (the Vectron is rather dull) but producers quite often change that according to customers desires.

[KingNick]

Vectron? Hardly gonna happen since CD wants to replace the leased 1216.2xx with 380s from Skoda once they are licensed for AUT and ÖBB has no use at all for additional locos. What I think could happen is other 1216s could be converted for CZ. But I have no clue which one could be spared. Nachalnik would know way more about the whole matter.

[gramercy]

congrats on getting "our" RailJets

is CD going to proceed with high-er speed lines? Prague-Brno-AT/PL direction to 200-230 kph?

[KingNick]

The Austrian Part between Vienna and Breclav for sure will be faster by 2013 with the implementation of ETCS Level 2. No idea how fast exactly though.

[gramercy]

these corridors could be upgraded to a reasonable 200-230 kph by 2020 IF there was any political will to do it:
• Budapest-Gyor-[Bratislava]-Wien
• Wien-Brno-Katowice
• Brno-Prague-Dresden-Berlin

oh well

[nachalnik]

Originally Posted by KingNick

The Austrian Part between Vienna and Breclav for sure will be faster by 2013 with the implementation of ETCS Level 2. No idea how fast exactly though.

ETCS won't make the line faster.

Raising the speed from 120 to 160 km/h would require upgraded tracks, switches and catenary.
This is planned within the next ~10 years, but ETCS is not necessary for this speed level.

Higher speeds than 160 km/h are not planned between Wien and Breclav, as 160 km/h is fast enough to enable a travelling time of slightly less than 50 minutes (according to the requirements for an ideal integrated periodic timetable with ("ITF") with 00/30-hubs at Vienna and Breclav).


Nachalnik

[KingNick]

I thought signalling is the main reason for the current speed since the track is super straight.

[Qwert]

Originally Posted by KingNick

If they really wanna introduce an 2 hour interval between Prague and Graz, which I hope, the 7 CD Railjets won't be enough (one circle would at least be 16 hours). I'd say ÖBB has to come up with 3 more train sets for such a service, which leads me to my next question: ÖBB right now has 15 1216.2xx. Is this number high enough? To my knowledge Siemens is not producing EuroSprinters anymore.

Prague - Bratislava - Budapest is also interesting regarding the locos. Any alternatives to CD 380s?

If Railjets were introduced on Prague - Bratislava - Budapest line, ČD 380 locos would be probably the only option. Current EC trains at this line are hauled by ZSSK 350 locos, which definitely cannot be coupled with Railjets. For now also ČD 380 aren't compatible with Railjets though.

Possible alternative would be purchase of new locos by either ZSSK or MÁV, but I doubt that.

Originally Posted by gramercy

these corridors could be upgraded to a reasonable 200-230 kph by 2020 IF there was any political will to do it:
• Budapest-Gyor-[Bratislava]-Wien
• Wien-Brno-Katowice
• Brno-Prague-Dresden-Berlin

oh well

I would say it's not only matter of political will, but also money. It also takes some time to design, approve and build them. I believe the first 200 km/h line would be Brno - Břeclav and it could be by 2020 or even slightly sooner, but there's no way all mentioned lines would be upgraded in 8 years.

BTW little correction, there is no Vienna - Brno - Katowice corridor, it's Vienna - Břeclav - Přerov - Ostrava - Katowice (i.e. it doesn't go via Brno).

[KingNick]

Actually I don't get it anyway, why they intend to use ÖBB 1216s instead of the regular ÖBB 1116 RJ locos. They've got plenty of them all capable of running on 25 KV.

[nachalnik]

25 kV is not enough....

[SpatialCadet]

Originally Posted by Mr_Dru

First of all I like your new Leo Express train! The first class seats looks like in a airplane, how luxury is that. it looks very comfy.

But I notice the picture above have almost the same kind of interior, but different colours as the Dutch 1st class coaches. This is a Dutch renewed intercity wagon (from 1980).

That picture would be RegioJet, not Leo Express. Indeed the RegioJet trains are refurbished older trains. When Leo Express start they will have new Stadtler EMUs.

[SpatialCadet]

Originally Posted by KingNick

CD Railjets will looks like this:

Why, oh, why?!

I mean the ÖBB has awful design, which everyone's used to by now, so its no big deal. And the ÖBB Railjets, though randomly painted, aren't too ugly. (The cheatline is supposed to make it look faster?) But ČD has been doing well with design again lately, I expect more from them.

I mean, the standard colors are good, but why are they ignoring physical shape of the train, if doors are contrasting it should be greater (its like they wanted to hide the doors), etc.


And moreover why not have a basic design criteria for assorted train classifications across (Central) Europe? It'd be easier for passengers to undertand train classifications. Like DB's trains.
- Regional trains could follow DB and have a chromatic or dark colour and light stripe.
- IC / EC trains with light or less chromatic color and dark stripe.
- High speed trains with a "spruced up" fancier version of IC / EC livery.
Just saying.

[KingNick]

ÖBB design awful; CD design great? Dafuq?

[SpatialCadet]

Originally Posted by KingNick

CD design great? Dafuq?

Not great but decent.

I'm trying to think of one area where the ÖBB is better than ČD, and the only one is TV ads, though the new ÖBB spots are hella annoying, aestiticly and branding-wise they're not bad.

And the regional semi-striped livery. Too much random contrast. While ČD has subtle contrast that isn't applied randomly. Then you board and are harassed with harsh lighting.

Then we get to architecture. ÖBB should have the prize for the world's coldest architecture. Prisons are more inviting than any newly renovated ÖBB Bahnhof. Wien Hbf. looks like it was drawn by a dorky 16 year old who just learned to render for the first time. And Salzburg Hbf.'s roof... it isn't cool to look like the Eastern Bloc's first ventures into post-modernist architecture from the 90's.

Crimes against the nation, the lot of it. And the Wiener Linien's interiors, too.

[KingNick]

Gosh, you're one bitter motherfucker.