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Old May 11th, 2004, 01:52 AM   #41
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As others have mentioned, political discussions are fine in this forum, unless you want to abuse your moderator status to crackdown on any political discussion, even though the discussion has been peaceful, nobody has gone in depth to analyze the politics of cross strait relations, and nobody has fired off their cannons irrationally.

By merely acknowledging politics are the underlying driving force of cross strait aviation links is not a political discussion. A look at the variance between idealism and reality is not a political discussion either.

If you want to continue with your malicious attempt to steer this topic to a political discussion instead of the big picture analysis I've been talking about then you'll be in a lot of hot water.

Your malicious intention is dearly noted in your continuous ignorance of the true intent of this thread, which I've mentioned over and over again, and which you choose to ignore. The other moderators are well aware of your continual revival of politics even though it was solved long ago and will deal with inappropriate behaviour harshly.

And don't even threaten a peaceful and intellectual discussion to delete this thread for no reason. That's an abuse of power, and the members will not tolerate that. Perhaps you might not know what freedom of speech and responsibility are, but we practice it here.
Whatever needs to be said has been said. And I do not know if what has been said here is quite uncalled for, as I have already told you its purely your own over-reaction to my simple intentions.

Accusing a moderator of abusing his duties is not a small matter. I hope you are aware, that if you persist in doing this, then be prepared to fully support your allegations. And instead of hailing these accusations openly in a forum like this, I would recommend that you shoot everything you need to say immediately to higher authority right away. If your open accusations turn out to be unjustified, and amounts to defamation of my good name, then I hope you are prepared for the consequencies, which are far higher then a direct PM to the head.

This is just my advice. If you take it as a threat, then I cannot, and will not try, to convince you otherwise. If you are displeased, feel free to write a formal complaint.

Leave this forum for what it is supposed to do. Thank you.
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My point is clear. Your continuing revival of the political issue is baffling since you said we should shy away from it in the first place. What is your intention? Everyone can see I've been adding value to this discussion with context and recent developments in the aviation market that affect the stakeholders. What have you done? What is your purpose here?

Take a read at what you've posted. Intimidation and threats do not work in here. They are all documented in the 3 pages. That's the support right there. I don't think anyone sits well when intimidated or threatened.

Have you contributed to an intellectual discussion of direct links and cross strait aviation news? No. You have maintained a narrow-minded focus to the word 'politics' and made all sorts of assumptions of the world coming to an end even though the discussion here has been peaceful and intellectual until your arrival while lashing out at deleting and notifying other moderators of a problem that doesn't exist. savethewtc emphasized political discussions are OK in a peaceful setting. You fail to realize that we're not talking politics here. Mentioning the word and discussing it are 2 completely different things.

On that note, here's another value-adding piece to help the other members reading this thread better understand why this topic is relevant. I hope you can contribute more to the well-being of this thread and forum. Feel free to leave if you are not achieving this objective.

Stakeholder Analysis

Airlines on both sides of the strait are concerned about the uncertainty in direct links negotiations following the Taiwanese election. From Hong Kong, Cathay Pacific and China Airlines are the predominant carriers flying the route. 17% of China Airlines' 2003 revenues were from Hong Kong, while Cathay Pacific derives 16% of its Available Seat Km (ASK) from North Asia, including Taiwan.

However, since CI and CX are well diversified international airlines, they will be least impacted by any direct links agreement. In fact, CI might even be able to fly directly to China if a deal is reached. The focus then turns to the regional carriers, such as Hong Kong's Dragonair and Air Macau - both owned by China National Aviation.

Dragonair has opened new destinations for passenger and cargo service. They have recently announced a fleet purchase to accomodate the expansion. In the past year they started flying to Bangkok and Tokyo. While they have a significant exposure to Taiwan, Dragonair is opening new markets and diversifying their operations.

Among the stakeholders, Macau International and Air Macau will incur the biggest losses if direct links are implemented. Macau Airport and Air Macau are heavily reliant on Taiwanese transfer passengers. In fact, most flights to Macau come from either Taipei or Shanghai.

On the other hand, Air Macau is negotiating with AirAsia to cooperate on routes to China. American investors are building new casinos and turning Macau into a major resort, possibly increasing flight demand. However, will the visitors travel by ferry from Hong Kong or fly to Macau directly?
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Old May 11th, 2004, 02:48 AM   #43
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My point is clear. Your continuing revival of the political issue is baffling since you said we should shy away from it in the first place. What is your intention? Everyone can see I've been adding value to this discussion with context and recent developments in the aviation market that affect the stakeholders. What have you done? What is your purpose here?

Take a read at what you've posted. Intimidation and threats do not work in here. They are all documented in the 3 pages. That's the support right there. I don't think anyone sits well when intimidated or threatened.

Have you contributed to an intellectual discussion of direct links and cross strait aviation news? No. You have maintained a narrow-minded focus to the word 'politics' and made all sorts of assumptions of the world coming to an end even though the discussion here has been peaceful and intellectual until your arrival while lashing out at deleting and notifying other moderators of a problem that doesn't exist. savethewtc emphasized political discussions are OK in a peaceful setting. You fail to realize that we're not talking politics here. Mentioning the word and discussing it are 2 completely different things.

On that note, here's another value-adding piece to help the other members reading this thread better understand why this topic is relevant. I hope you can contribute more to the well-being of this thread and forum. Feel free to leave if you are not achieving this objective.
If you feel that anyone is not contributing to a thread or to the forum, perhaps you might want to write in a complaint to halt his misbehavior, as I have already mentioned earlier?
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Yes, a complaint has been sent and is being processed. You will hear from them soon.
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Old May 11th, 2004, 02:59 AM   #45
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Yes, a complaint has been sent and is being processed. You will hear from them soon.
Thank you for your coorperation. Meanwhile, I hope I am in the position to ask if you may show us the amount of traffic (by any measure possible) and trade which goes between Taiwan and HK, and between HK and China?
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Old May 11th, 2004, 05:39 AM   #46
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Hong Kong Tourism Statistics

Total Visitor Arrivals February 2004 - 1,454,486 (+3.3% Y/Y)
From Mainland China - 824,619
From Taiwan - 145,026

Hotel Occupancy Rate - 81%
Central & Admiralty Occupancy Rate - 89%

Total Visitor Arrivals 2003 - 15,536,839 (-6.2% Y/Y)
From Mainland China - 8,467,211
From Taiwan - 1,852,378

Commentary

Taiwan visitors account for 12% of total tourist arrivals in 2003. Note that some of these are transit passengers connecting at the airport directly while others are actual tourists who stay for several days before returning home or continuing to China.

Some 54% of tourist arrivals are from Mainland China, but most of these people visited Hong Kong for leisure and not to connect to Taiwan. A boom occurred late in the year when Beijing allowed residents in Guangdong and large Chinese cities to visit Hong Kong with individual visas.

Source : HKTA

Hong Kong 2003 External Trade Statistics ($HK millions)

Exports to All Markets - 1,742,436 (excluding re-exports)
China - 742,544
Taiwan - 42,269

Imports to All Markets - 1,805,770
China - 785,625
Taiwan - 125,203

Source : HK Trade Statistics, Census & Statistics Dept.
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Old May 11th, 2004, 11:14 AM   #47
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Tourism? Er....thanks for the info, but I was more interested in say the number of flights per week, or maybe people movements which includes those crossing the border for purposes not just for tourism, but for employment and other issues too. The usual "definition" of tourists tend to be those who stay for at least one night in HK anyway, and isnt really the information I was looking for....

I wonder if it is possible to measure shipping movements too?
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There are more than 40 flights a day between Hong Kong and Taipei, shared by many airlines. Airlines are very sensitive about their ASK and RPK numbers and capacity figures are not available, so the next best thing is visitor arrivals. Air travel is the most favourite way for Taiwanese to get to Hong Kong and the mainland since Taiwan is an island and the flight is only an hour and a half.

There are limitations to the numbers. If Taiwanese passengers transit without passing through immigration, they won't be counted. A lot of Taiwanese actually connect directly at the airport.

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In 2003, Taiwan was the 2nd largest source for inward cargo (after China) at 13,652,000 tonnes and the 3rd largest destination for outward cargo (after China and US) at 3,317,000 tonnes.
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Hmm....surely it is much easier to at least list out the number of flights by all airlines between HK and Taiwan, and from HK and China if all other information is unavailable?

Anyway....transit passengers arent counted in airport statistics?
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Flight information is available from the Hong Kong airport website :
http://www.hkairport.com

However, note that each airline flies has its own fleet preference for the route. Each flight should not be regarded as equal to another due to capacity differences.

HK airport data includes transit and transfer passengers but does not break down by source / destination, hence visitor arrival information is the next best alternative.
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Ok....so why not list down the number of flights per week for each airline, and the types of aircraft used. I am sure a good airport website should be able to provide that info, or by also combining with information from the airline websites.
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For example, Hong Kong, London Heathrow, Tokyo Narita, Osaka Kansai, Seoul Incheon, and Kuala Lumpur International do not provide real-time arrival / departure flight information by airplane type. To the users who are checking when the plane leaves / arrives, the size of the plane is not a determining factor.

In fact, even if the flight type is shown, when two airlines fly the same type of aircraft, they may customize their planes to seat a different number of people. Small differences will add up to make a big difference.

Without capacity-related information directly from the airlines (ie. ASK, RPK), the number of flights per week, day, or hour are inconclusive and can be very misleading, and the massive effort to get that number is not going to change the high-level conclusion that the route is heavily travelled with large airplanes (not regional aircraft). The Hong Kong-Taipei route is a major capacity trunk route for both cities and serves as a vital link between Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China.
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Well...then as I already said....get the information from the airport AND airline sites! One cannot keep saying it is "big" without a quantifyable number to demonstrate just how big it is right?

And to remind, it would also be great to show the routes from HK to China mainland too.
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40 flights a day is a lot of flights with or without actual capacity numbers. How many airports get 40 arrivals from the same city a day? Common sense leads to an obvious answer. I don't think an airline hunting exercise is needed to arrive at that conclusion. If you have so much time on your hands, you are more than welcome to do your thorough search and convey the results here since you know where to get the data so well.


Here is a sampling of mainland China passenger flight arrivals for May 13th :
From Beijing - 11 actual arrivals (CA, CZ, KA)
From Shanghai - 24 actual arrivals (KA, MU)
From Guangzhou - 5 actual arrivals (CZ)

Mainland Airlines :
China Southern - 16 actual arrivals
China Eastern - 30 actual arrivals
Air China - 8 actual arrivals

For comparison :
From Tokyo - 12 actual arrivals
From Bangkok - 23 actual arrivals
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40 flights a day is a lot of flights with or without actual capacity numbers. How many airports get 40 arrivals from the same city a day? Common sense leads to an obvious answer. I don't think an airline hunting exercise is needed to arrive at that conclusion. If you have so much time on your hands, you are more than welcome to do your thorough search and convey the results here since you know where to get the data so well.


Here is a sampling of mainland China passenger flight arrivals for May 13th :
From Beijing - 11 actual arrivals (CA, CZ, KA)
From Shanghai - 24 actual arrivals (KA, MU)
From Guangzhou - 5 actual arrivals (CZ)

Mainland Airlines :
China Southern - 16 actual arrivals
China Eastern - 30 actual arrivals
Air China - 8 actual arrivals

For comparison :
From Tokyo - 12 actual arrivals
From Bangkok - 23 actual arrivals
Hmm...40 flights per day dosent sound like alot when there are 489 flights a week between Sg and Jakarta, for eg, giving us an average of 70 flights a day. I am not even going to discuss that between Sg and KL yet. Anyway, my purpose here is not to make those petty comparisons.

I would prefer to see actual numbers rather then an "estimation." Basically, I dont ask for you to do the research because I "doubt" that there is alot of traffic in those sectors. There are other more interesting reasons then that. And anyway, the sarcasm there is noted.
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Actual numbers might not be worth the effort when the conclusion is the route is heavily travelled. Since you know where to get the data and you're asking the question, perhaps you can get the answer for yourself.

Also, note that of the 38 arrivals from Jakarta on May 13th, many were codeshare flights. Don't double-count them.

And then, something doesn't make sense here. You ask the question, yet you know the answer, but you're asking others to get it for you?
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Actual numbers might not be worth the effort when the conclusion is the route is heavily travelled. Since you know where to get the data and you're asking the question, perhaps you can get the answer for yourself.

Also, note that of the 38 arrivals from Jakarta on May 13th, many were codeshare flights. Don't double-count them.

And then, something doesn't make sense here. You ask the question, yet you know the answer, but you're asking others to get it for you?
Where did you get the 38 flight figures from? I suppose that means you know where to get the data eh?

Yes. If you dont realise, in SSC, sometimes you make better friends by pretending to be ignorant and asking others to furnish information. They feel happier that way, rather then seeing you stuffing them with information all the time.

But then, that is just one reason. There might be alot more. But what is stopping you from furnishing the info? Dont you pride yourself for being able to do that all the time? I just dont see how this thread can be relevant when people dont even know how significant the whole issue is in raw numbers?
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Where did you get the 38 flight figures from? I suppose that means you know where to get the data eh?
I've searched the Changi website. The search engine actually is giving me 28 now and from a quick glance there doesn't seem to be codeshare duplications. Where did you get the 70 from?

By the way, do all the passengers end their journey and clear customs in Singapore when they arrive from Jakarta? Some flights seem to make a stopover en route to other destinations so Jakarta passengers might not even get off the plane, hence they are not counted. Passengers from Taipei must get off the plane when they arrive in Hong Kong and go through the transfer desk or clear customs before continuing their flight. Does it make a difference in the comparison? Probably.

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Yes. If you dont realise, in SSC, sometimes you make better friends by pretending to be ignorant and asking others to furnish information. They feel happier that way, rather then seeing you stuffing them with information all the time.
And I thought you were too lazy to search on your own and share the information with us. My, you did a good job 'pretending' you're ignorant.

I'm very keen on efficiency. Why waste the time to quantify everything to death when the answer is sitting right in front of you? Clearly the Taipei route is flown by many airlines with a frequent schedule. Are you an aviation expert? Is 40 a day a low number? I don't think so.

If the data looks funny or is inconclusive from the start then investigate more. Why post a million lengthy articles when a simple high-level number does the job perfectly?

Given the distribution of flight arrivals daily, and considering there are about 40 flight arrivals from Taipei daily, Taipei-Hong Kong is indeed a highly-travelled route for HKIA.
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I've searched the Changi website. The search engine actually is giving me 28 now and from a quick glance there doesn't seem to be codeshare duplications. Where did you get the 70 from?

By the way, do all the passengers end their journey and clear customs in Singapore when they arrive from Jakarta? Some flights seem to make a stopover en route to other destinations so Jakarta passengers might not even get off the plane, hence they are not counted. Passengers from Taipei must get off the plane when they arrive in Hong Kong and go through the transfer desk or clear customs before continuing their flight. Does it make a difference in the comparison? Probably.



And I thought you were too lazy to search on your own and share the information with us. My, you did a good job 'pretending' you're ignorant.

I'm very keen on efficiency. Why waste the time to quantify everything to death when the answer is sitting right in front of you? Clearly the Taipei route is flown by many airlines with a frequent schedule. Are you an aviation expert? Is 40 a day a low number? I don't think so.

If the data looks funny or is inconclusive from the start then investigate more. Why post a million lengthy articles when a simple high-level number does the job perfectly?

Given the distribution of flight arrivals daily, and considering there are about 40 flight arrivals from Taipei daily, Taipei-Hong Kong is indeed a highly-travelled route for HKIA.
Erm....the thing is that I didnt even say the reasons I am asking the data for. Why is it that it seems as thou there is a conclusion that I just want the data to "proof/disproof" that there are high/low traffic on the Taiwan-HK sector?

All I asked is for raw, unbiased data. Its as simple as that!
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Old May 14th, 2004, 10:27 AM   #60
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Erm....the thing is that I didnt even say the reasons I am asking the data for. Why is it that it seems as thou there is a conclusion that I just want the data to "proof/disproof" that there are high/low traffic on the Taiwan-HK sector?

All I asked is for raw, unbiased data. Its as simple as that!
Maybe we can try to book a ticket from Taipei to HK or vice versa and see how many availabilities are found from the search engines of airlines or travel agencies....
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