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[Barfolomew]

Originally Posted by 1772

Why not in AA Arena?
They shared Miami Arena with Heat, why not AA?

Does AA arena convert big enough for an ice hockey court?

[VisionMIA]

THe idea initially was that they did not want to share anymore so they built the panthers arena elsewhere. Back in the day those Heat games used to be very cold in the Miami Arena. They would put the bball court on top of the ice. But I agree the panthers would probably be better closer to downtown.

[1772]

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

Does AA arena convert big enough for an ice hockey court?

Good question. It would be wierd if they didn't.

Originally Posted by VisionMIA

THe idea initially was that they did not want to share anymore so they built the panthers arena elsewhere. Back in the day those Heat games used to be very cold in the Miami Arena. They would put the bball court on top of the ice. But I agree the panthers would probably be better closer to downtown.

One would hope that todays arenas can do both without making it cold.

[dave8721]

The more simple answer is that Sunrise and Broward County offered to build it for them. Not too many teams are willing to turn down free stadiums.

[deambulante]

Hi, I'm new to this side of Skyscraper, I've thus far only been active in the South American forums. I'm not a daily forum poster but do look at topics every other day. I've only been looking thru this part of SSC for the last two or three months though.

Well, you might ask, what is the reason I'm here now... I will own a small piece of downtown Miami (first time property owner too). I won't get into the details right now, as I go along I may however, and eventually I will get a camera and start taking pictures.

As a background, I had been downtown only twice in 10 years, I guess as a reassurance that this city HAD a downtown. No other reason to go there of course. I've been downtown 8 times in the last month alone.

I guess I'm one of those people downtown wants to attract badly: young, single, with a great future potential (not there yet haha). It wasn't exactly that I wanted to go downtown, it was a set of circumstances that ended up making it that way. However, I still live in Broward sharing expenses while I get my college degree, but obviously will hang out and even live downtown for periods of time in the coming future (unless renting the place becomes appealing).

So, after that introduction, my question. I've been around downtown enough now to get to know it a bit. Used the peoplemover quite a lot, walked around another bunch. I know a lot of projects have been shelved: Met 3, Brickell FC supertall, Infinity 2, and other supertall proyects.

What I want to know is two things: are there ANY buildings that are not started yet that are actually going up for SURE? Don't include the ones that have gotten off the ground, I mean those whose land sites have nothing right now but are a green light 100%. And where?

Also, is there any plans to fill up those empty areas around Park West? To me that's the worst part of the downtown in the eyesore category. Thank YOU!

Edit:

Hahaha, this is why I pretty much stopped posting in the South American forums. Every time I had a question my topic got deleted or it ''dissapeared'' (dissapeared in the sense that it was buried in some other forsaken thread where it never got read, nor did the moderators there let me know where they moved it!).

I guess it's a site wide rule, and a traffic killer. I guess now my two questions will never get answered as no one will even see this post. See ya later...

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by deambulante

Hahaha, this is why I pretty much stopped posting in the South American forums. Every time I had a question my topic got deleted or it ''dissapeared'' (dissapeared in the sense that it was buried in some other forsaken thread where it never got read, nor did the moderators there let me know where they moved it!).

I guess it's a site wide rule, and a traffic killer. I guess now my two questions will never get answered as no one will even see this post. See ya later...

We have enough redundant threads in the forum without people creating threads to have individual questions answered that have been rehashed over and over already on other threads for those individual projects. I informed you that I was moving your thread to this thread where your questions will at least be seen as they appear at the end of the thread and the thread is only two pages long at this point anyway. I answered your questions to the best of my knowledge, and if anyone else wants to respond to them, they can do so here.

[Barfolomew]

I'm good. No need to respond to all that jazz.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Originally Posted by 1772

Why not in AA Arena?
They shared Miami Arena with Heat, why not AA?

I'm guessing because of this guy.



I still can't believe theres an arena on the edge of civilization. It's a strange site while on the sawgrass expwy. Sure theres a mega mall, expressways, and the sea of suburbia, but it's still out of place.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

I'm good. No need to respond to all that jazz.

Since no one else has responded as of yet and there might be other relatively new forumers with similar questions, here is what I told deambulante. Others of you can add to it or dissect it however you wish:

Well, essentially, everything is on hold until there is a market turnaround. Developer interest is still quite strong for all the major projects with Miami Worldcenter planned for several blocks of the blighted Park West area. One Bayfront Plaza is still on track to start in 2011 (At least from what I've read. There must some really big money behind that one), and developers still plan to build Met3 when there is a market turnaround. My understanding from what I've read and actually heard from the Met2 Project Engineer is that they will start the parking garage of Met3 as soon as Met2 is completed (at least to get the retail aspect of it going at street level), though he did admit his construction company did not yet have the contract. BFC II was never planned as a supertall, only 903 feet, but developers still plan to build it once the market recovers. My understanding from what I've read of other forumers' postings is that the developers of BFC have also bought the BCC site (Brickell Citicenter 808, 769, and 740 feet tall) and might well develop that some day. Nothing is etched in stone until a project actually gets built (to all of its original specifications and nothing is SURE), and no approved project is ever really dead until something completely different gets built on the site. Q

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

My understanding from what I've read of other forumers' postings is that the developers of BFC have also bought the BCC site (Brickell Citicenter 808, 769, and 740 feet tall) and might well develop that some day.

hey q,

brickell citicentre site was purchased by swire properties of hong kong, the developer of brickell key

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

hey q,

brickell citicentre site was purchased by swire properties of hong kong, the developer of brickell key

Ok, great! I knew it was one or the other of those two. That's even more encouraging news that the site will be developed someday and that we might still see Brickell Citicentre. My inside man at Arquitectonica (the architectural firm who designed BCC) has left, so there is nobody that I communicate with there anymore.

[FTL Beach Bum]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

I still can't believe theres an arena on the edge of civilization. It's a strange site while on the sawgrass expwy. Sure theres a mega mall, expressways, and the sea of suburbia

You answered your own question

Let's just say it's closer to the crowds that enjoy hockey games.

[noland123]

This is just a suggestion and nothing that I thought up but how would you like the idea of getting reputation points for every good idea or information that you posted here on the forum? I have seen it on other forums and it gives you an idea of whom to talk with about knowledgeable information that is reliable. Normally they award you start-up points with just registering with the Forum and the points are visible for the whole forum as to the relability of this poster's information. they state the number of posts you have and also the number of reputation points. So you would take the number of reputation points and divide it by the number of post to get a percentage .


It was just an idea and thought I would throw it out there and see what you all thought about it.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by noland123

This is just a suggestion and nothing that I thought up but how would you like the idea of getting reputation points for every good idea or information that you posted here on the forum?

It was just an idea and thought I would throw it out there and see what you all thought about it.

Noland, I'll let you do the bookkeeping on that. One number that I found interesting from earlier today is the fact that Houston broke another record for its earliest snowfall of the year, 12/04. The old record was set just last year on December 10, 2008. Houston is actually at a lower lattitude than Jacksonville, but gets more midwest type weather, while Florida has the Gulf Stream on both sides of it.

[Roark]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

I still can't believe theres an arena on the edge of civilization. It's a strange site while on the sawgrass expwy. Sure theres a mega mall, expressways, and the sea of suburbia, but it's still out of place.

One great study in stadium investments in outskirts of a city was in the news recently.
The 80,000 seat Pontiac Silverdome, built for $55.7 Million in 1975 (approx. $220 million in 2009 dollars), sold for $583,000 a couple of months ago.

ooops.

[noland123]

Originally Posted by Roark

One great study in stadium investments in outskirts of a city was in the news recently.
The 80,000 seat Pontiac Silverdome, built for $55.7 Million in 1975 (approx. $220 million in 2009 dollars), sold for $583,000 a couple of months ago.

ooops.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportspros...t_worth_w.htmlHere is information on it. That means that the Toronto- based group offered them 1% of what it cost to build back in 1975. What a deal. With the valuation of present day dollar of what the stadium would cost to build in today(220 million) the offer is 1\4 of 1%. That is one heck of a depreciation.

[Endeavor305]

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[Endeavor305]

Originally Posted by Roark

One great study in stadium investments in outskirts of a city was in the news recently.
The 80,000 seat Pontiac Silverdome, built for $55.7 Million in 1975 (approx. $220 million in 2009 dollars), sold for $583,000 a couple of months ago.

ooops.

What is the point here? How does this affect Miami? I think I know where you are going with this, but you don't come out and say it so who knows what you are really talking about???

Does that article say how much revenue the stadium generated in all of its years in service? Does it say anything about the stadium being dilapidated and in need of major repairs? Does it state how the owner of the stadium (city of Pontiac, Michigan) was in serious financial crisis? Does it state how seriously diminished real estate values in the area are? Does it state how poorly utilized the planning for its area was? Does it state how its present use is diminished due to the abundance of other newer competing venues in the region such as Ford Field, Joe Louis Arena, The Palace of Auburn Hills & Comerica Park?

When making a point about something, please be sure to state all the details and factors so that you paint a clear picture of the TRUTH and REALITY of things. Otherwise you are being deceitful whether intentional or not.

[Barfolomew]

Originally Posted by Endeavor305

What is the point here? How does this affect Miami? I think I know where you are going with this, but you don't come out and say it so who knows what you are really talking about???

Does that article say how much revenue the stadium generated in all of its years in service? Does it say anything about the stadium being dilapidated and in need of major repairs? Does it state how the owner of the stadium (city of Pontiac, Michigan) was in serious financial crisis? Does it state how seriously diminished real estate values in the area are? Does it state how poorly utilized the planning for its area was? Does it state how its present use is diminished due to the abundance of other newer competing venues in the region such as Ford Field, Joe Louis Arena, The Palace of Auburn Hills & Comerica Park?

When making a point about something, please be sure to state all the details and factors so that you paint a clear picture of the TRUTH and REALITY of things. Otherwise you are being deceitful whether intentional or not.

Endeavor, that is a well thought and well intentioned response.

Very thorough indeed is the key to a successful post.

[noland123]

As anyone seen this house before in Homestead ? Bizarre or what?




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