Greater Manchester "crime capital of the north"

[EuxTex]

Originally Posted by terryfied

But most of the drugs smuggled are sold in all parts of the UK, thus the only beneficiaries are the drug smugglers themselves, not their City of origin.

But, surely, that's not the point. Example; the vast majority of vehicles built in Detroit are sold elsewhere, the beneficiaries being the car manufacturers themselves and then they pay their suppliers and employees, just like the drug lords who then pay their mules, chemists and street corner distributors and then spend their profits, either locally or national/internationally. It's called commerce and even the illegal drug trade is part and parcel of an economy. BTW, didn't your nation introduce opium into China, when your treasury ran short of silver, and use that drug as currency to purchase tea?

[Wirlie G]

Sloyne, it was YOUR nation as well until you decided you wanted to move 4,000miles away from your beloved Liverpool

[jrb]

Originally Posted by Wirlie G

in fact, have you got the private message JRB?

I am not seeing it in my sent items.

Reply sent.

[Wirlie G]

Good good.

New to all this new fangled technology.

[tomo90]

Originally Posted by Wirlie G

Still, take a look at the most poverty striken places in the country, thankfully the ones from GM that were on the list 10 years ago have all but left the bottom 75, shame the same could not be said for Merseyside, even during the boom times.

TOTAL LIES!!! Manchester is still in the top 5 for being the most deprived city in the country. Places like Rochdale, Oldham and Bolton arent exactly too far behind.

[design_man]

Oh come on, we can do better than this!

What causes crime in Greater Manchester to be significantly higher than in other large metropoli?

Someone suggests it's to do with size, but that is nonsense: West Midlands and Leeds City Region don't manifest these types of problems. And unless someone knows a source, who has suggested that you get significantly more crime in a met area of 1m, 2m, or 3m? (We don't have any larger than that, apart from London).

Per capita (that is per head of population) Greater Manchester stands out in these data as having a significant and long-standing problem. By far the worse data outside Greater London.

What causes that? At least it's not being denied now (as anyone with the time to study this thread will see has happened in the past); but it's not being understood. You can't defeat a problem that you do not understand. Is it just that people who post here have no insight into the local society and issues in Greater Manchester? Do we lack informed local correspondents? Are some of them just horrid middle class kids who live in East Cheshire and don't actually have a clue what is going on in the city region they spend half their life boasting and prattling about?

Answers please, not nonsense, to help get to the root of a dreadful problem that creates very many victims. It's not a laughing matter if you are stabbed or shot, and - the statistics prove - too many people are being shot and stabbed (and burgled, and being robbed) in Greater Manchester. These are human beings who are being victimised and who are losing their lives, we should remember that when we discuss these disturbing statistics about the crime capital of the north. A bit of respect would be helpful, when discussing this problem.

[jrb]

Originally Posted by design_man

Oh come on, we can do better than this!

What causes crime in Greater Manchester to be significantly higher than in other large metropoli?

Someone suggests it's to do with size, but that is nonsense: West Midlands and Leeds City Region don't manifest these types of problems. And unless someone knows a source, who has suggested that you get significantly more crime in a met area of 1m, 2m, or 3m? (We don't have any larger than that, apart from London).

Per capita (that is per head of population) Greater Manchester stands out in these data as having a significant and long-standing problem. By far the worse data outside Greater London.

What causes that? At least it's not being denied now (as anyone with the time to study this thread will see has happened in the past); but it's not being understood. You can't defeat a problem that you do not understand. Is it just that people who post here have no insight into the local society and issues in Greater Manchester? Do we lack informed local correspondents? Are some of them just horrid middle class kids who live in East Cheshire and don't actually have a clue what is going on in the city region they spend half their life boasting and prattling about?

Answers please, not nonsense, to help get to the root of a dreadful problem that creates very many victims. It's not a laughing matter if you are stabbed or shot, and - the statistics prove - too many people are being shot and stabbed (and burgled, and being robbed) in Greater Manchester. These are human beings who are being victimised and who are losing their lives, we should remember that when we discuss these disturbing statistics about the crime capital of the north. A bit of respect would be helpful, when discussing this problem.

There seems to be a pattern forming. Don't post on any thread for what seems an eternity, and then every now and again some bad news/headline breaks. (pretty much par for any city around the world TBH) And as if by magic, Liverpolitan appears.

Mr Benn was an animated TV character who could be seen on the BBC in the 1970s. Mr Benn was a businessman who always left his house to go to the fancy dress shop. In the shop he would try on an outfit to then appear in a world which matched the costume he was wearing. So if he put on a clown's outfit he would appear in a circus(wouldn't he Liverpolitan)

[jrb]

Originally Posted by tomo90

TOTAL LIES!!! Manchester is still in the top 5 for being the most deprived city in the country. Places like Rochdale, Oldham and Bolton arent exactly too far behind.

But I bet per head of population it has seen exceptional growth over the last decade, compared to those other cities that have basically stood still, but improved their city centres.

And no, I don't have any figures for once. It's just a hunch.

The fact that crime figures are falling should be seen as a positive.(spin) Then again, you can't rule out tampering.

[design_man]

Originally Posted by jrb

There seems to be a pattern forming. Don't post on any thread for what seems an eternity, and then every now and again some bad news/headline breaks.

It's an annual survey, dumbo, so each year we find out if Greater Manchester is still crime capital of the north. The latest annual data are now published, and Greater Mancheser holds its tarnished crown for yet another year. It is the Manchester Evening News that called it "Crime Capital of the North", have you written to them to complain about their description?

[design_man]

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[jrb]

Originally Posted by design_man

It's an annual survey, dumbo, so each year we find out if Greater Manchester is still crime capital of the north. The latest annual data are now published, and Greater Mancheser holds its tarnished crown for yet another year. It is the Manchester Evening News that called it "Crime Capital of the North", have you written to them to complain about their description?

Does anyone else sense a slight temper tantrum?

and Greater Mancheser holds its tarnished crown for yet another year

Don't you just love Liverpolitan's neutral stance.

I gave up writing to the MEN along time ago. I wrote to the MEN telling them I'd been mugged. They eventually wrote backing stating they only wanted news stories.

Dedicated to you Liverpolitan.

[tomo90]

I do Criminology so I know these things

[torrrential]

Well, it's been going on for a while, whatever. I used to live in Altrincham when it was a nice place, sixties / early seventies. (socialy 'nice', it is devoid of decent buildings.) 30 years ago when I moved to Scotland, GMC fire service had just downgraded bullet holes in blue light covers to a local station matter (form 'TRA7' at the time) as so many pumps were off the run going to workshops for new ones.
Mind you I was seriously apprehensive on the night of the Toxteth riots as we moved closer and closer to Liverpool watching the glow in the sky.
Most big cities throughout the world have 'trouble' if you go looking for it. It's when the trouble prevents normal life that things are getting bad.

[Cherguevara]

Is Altrincham no longer a nice place? If it isn't I'm wondering what sort of place you would consider 'nice'?

[torrrential]

Originally Posted by Cherguevara

Is Altrincham no longer a nice place? If it isn't I'm wondering what sort of place you would consider 'nice'?

Difficult question to answer,b ut it isn't as nice as it used to be, check out
http://www.mindyourstreet.com/trafford-crime.html
click on the area of choice and see how many thousand places less desirable it got during the 'noughties'!

[albionfagan]

Manchester and Liverpool are equally crime ridden.

Does the 'scally' only exist in the north west? Liverpool and Manchester seem to have that in common.

[tomo90]

No Manchester has a higher crime rate than Liverpool by quite a bit.

[design_man]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

Manchester and Liverpool are equally crime ridden.

The point of this thread is that the official statistics show something very different: crime in the Manchester police area is significantly higher than crime in the Merseyside police area. Read the thread and then you won't post stupid falsehoods.

[Suburban Knight]

Official stats aren't the be all and end all - much crime is never reported.

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by Suburban Knight

Official stats aren't the be all and end all - much crime is never reported.

But that same logic will apply to everywhere wont it?