Greater Manchester "crime capital of the north" - Page 40

heatonparkincakes · October 21st, 2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Miles Platting

Oh ffs thanks very much paul d, I had a hot drink in my hand as well!
That has to be the most cringeworthy story of this week, or somebody is taking the piss.

In any case I'm so glad that Salford isn't in Manchester!

Well the last I saw of the knight was the caped cake head running maniacally round the green in front of Swinton civic centre at some protest.

Since then silence.

marching against the tory cuts - missing

The summer riots. - invisible

Last game at the willows - disappeared

Attacks in Eccles - unknown

I guess the juvenile gaoler has found a woman and is now activating her bat cave.

Cowabunga!!!!!!!

roverman · October 23rd, 2011, 12:42 AM

According to the Police crime maps I live in a very high crime area of Withington M20 - nearly 600 incidents recorded in August 2011 alone. This is 12 times more than the leafy Cheshire suburb I grew up in. Yet I have lived here for 6 years and hardly seen a thing. My car was broken into when we first moved here and there is some anti-social behaviour by students from time to time, but this is generally late night noise which is a nuisance but not threatening. I can't help thinking that exposure to crime is not so much about where you live but more about your lifestyle. If you roam around late at night, get drunk, are careless with valuables, you're much more likely to be a victim.

design_man · December 27th, 2011, 11:22 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...McDonalds.html

Very sad for the victim, his friends and his family.

It's also a bit of a nightmare for the reputation of Manchester as a place to visit. All cities dread tourists being murdered, it's never good, and you can't stop it happening - especially if there are rough areas near the centre (which is typical of a British city). But this particular case seems to be receiving a lot of attention in the media. Is it because it's Christmas so not a lot of other news? I don't think it's a "BBC Salford" thing, because Sky have been going on about it a lot also. The tv footage reveals just how close it is to the city centre.

It's sad anyway, and I suppose will just further underline the perception (backed by statistics) of having the worst non-metropolitan crime rate in the country.

Haven't seen this thread for a while - why is is in the Greater Manchester bit? It's a national rather than local issue, we have a national crime capital (London), and a non metropolitan crime capital (AKA Crime Capital of the North), which is Manchester, and those are both issues of national significance.

skit_uk · December 27th, 2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by design_man

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...McDonalds.html

Very sad for the victim, his friends and his family.

It's also a bit of a nightmare for the reputation of Manchester as a place to visit. All cities dread tourists being murdered, it's never good, and you can't stop it happening - especially if there are rough areas near the centre (which is typical of a British city). But this particular case seems to be receiving a lot of attention in the media. Is it because it's Christmas so not a lot of other news? I don't think it's a "BBC Salford" thing, because Sky have been going on about it a lot also. The tv footage reveals just how close it is to the city centre.

It's sad anyway, and I suppose will just further underline the perception (backed by statistics) of having the worst non-metropolitan crime rate in the country.

Haven't seen this thread for a while - why is is in the Greater Manchester bit? It's a national rather than local issue, we have a national crime capital (London), and a non metropolitan crime capital (AKA Crime Capital of the North), which is Manchester, and those are both issues of national significance.

The shooting took place right below my old flat I lived in or 5 years. Every day for 5 years I walked past that spot at all times of the day and night and I can honestly say the only problems I ever saw in that area were just kids messing about. So it really is a shock to see what has happened here, most of the people living down Ordsall way are young professional types working in the quays and the city centre.

Irish Blood English Heart · December 27th, 2011, 08:26 PM

I was once lost in Central Salford looking for Islington Mill where I was going to a gig with a record industry mod and musician friend of mine, we stopped to ask this group of lads if they knew where it was to be confronted with a volley of abuse and demands for money, we ended up legging it with a volley of bricks and bottles raining down next to us.

Unfortunetely as great as the regeneration of the city has been it still appears there are some very depressed and dispossessed areas next to our city centre still, and plenty of places I wouldn't feel safe walking late at night.

Caiman · December 27th, 2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by design_man

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...McDonalds.html

Very sad for the victim, his friends and his family.

It's also a bit of a nightmare for the reputation of Manchester as a place to visit. All cities dread tourists being murdered.

Salford. As you and your ilk are always so fond of pointing out when positive news is reported, they are separate cities.

Anyway this happened not far from where I live- a disgusting and shameful crime indeed, from reports I've read this was literally a mindless and unprovoked attack. I hope they're locked up for decades.

postal · December 27th, 2011, 09:12 PM

As rover implies, crime can be extremely localised. I have lived in Lvenshulme, which I am told is a HIGH crime area, for 12 years Yet never suffered any crime.

On 3 occasions I've left the front door key in the front door and come back after work to find it still there, undisturbed!

Meadows · December 27th, 2011, 09:54 PM

Hopefully the regeneration of the keys will lead to more opportunities/aspiration for the youth of Ordsall instead of just pushing them to another part of town.

Nathan Dawz · December 27th, 2011, 11:06 PM

The answer, as always, is to continue with the regeneration of Salford.

Some people might bemoan the 'gentrification' of the Quays but it's certainly better to try and create jobs and opportunities in these areas rather than leave them to rot in poverty.

LNGCats · December 27th, 2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Meadows

Hopefully the regeneration of the keys will lead to more opportunities/aspiration for the youth of Ordsall instead of just pushing them to another part of town.

Unfortunately you need to have people brought up I'm an environment where they aspire to better things through education and hard work to improve their lives to take advantage of the benefits in MediaCity.

For far to many they live in a world worth no aspiration, with generations who have achieved very little, they expect to achieve very little, end up poorly educated and end up achieving nothing with their lives.

Some how the poorest in our country need to have something to aspire to and an opportunity to achieve, alas our country is becoming more divided and a larger and larger part of society had nothing to aspire to and very limited opportunity by the time they are born.

future.architect · December 28th, 2011, 12:41 AM

This was a terrible, shocking and shameful crime. Obviously committed by people who have no respect for human life or any fear of the law.

It's also very unfortunate that this happened in Greater Manchester.

What we need to do now is continue to invest in Greater Manchester and while the city centre is important, we can't forget the inner city areas such as Ordsall.

I do feel that this story was 'worthy' of being national news, but it seems it wasn't the only terrible crime to occur over the chirstmas weekend.

Irish Blood English Heart · December 28th, 2011, 03:15 AM

It's definitely worthy of national news. If this was a British student murdered while studying in India or Japan we would never hear the end of it for years. It's an absolutely shocking crime that I struggle to think of an equivalent in recent times to be honest. The complete lack of motive, time of day, the fact the student wasn't drunk or mugged etc... Horribly chilling stuff.

LNGCats · December 28th, 2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by future.architect

This was a terrible, shocking and shameful crime. Obviously committed by people who have no respect for human life or any fear of the law.

It's also very unfortunate that this happened in Greater Manchester.

What we need to do now is continue to invest in Greater Manchester and while the city centre is important, we can't forget the inner city areas such as Ordsall.

I do feel that this story was 'worthy' of being national news, but it seems it wasn't the only terrible crime to occur over the chirstmas weekend.

The reality is that area has seen huge investment. Ordsall has a tram line to the city centre and the huge MediaCity on the doorstep.

Problem is for (what I think is an ever growing) proportion of society they will never benefit from such investment.

These people would never get a job, almost certainly no educational qualifications and no doubt serious attitude problems.

God knows how to fix it but I doubt very much no level of business investment would solve the issues for this part of society. The part we saw on the streets routing and looting in August.

WingTips · December 28th, 2011, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LNGCats

The reality is that area has seen huge investment. Ordsall has a tram line to the city centre and the huge MediaCity on the doorstep.

Problem is for (what I think is an ever growing) proportion of society they will never benefit from such investment.

These people would never get a job, almost certainly no educational qualifications and no doubt serious attitude problems.

God knows how to fix it but I doubt very much no level of business investment would solve the issues for this part of society. The part we saw on the streets routing and looting in August.

Ths is Happening in Cities/towns all over the UK, they are reported in the press and then we all tend to forget about them, ( in reality unless one is directly involved with an incident its often the case) as I have said in other threads like it or not its the way UK is rapidally declining into

Irish Blood English Heart · December 29th, 2011, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WingTips

Ths is Happening in Cities/towns all over the UK, they are reported in the press and then we all tend to forget about them, ( in reality unless one is directly involved with an incident its often the case) as I have said in other threads like it or not its the way UK is rapidally declining into

I think this really is different as I've said on the Ordsall thread and other people have put too. A tourist being killed with no motive whatsoever is entirely different than a gang member being killed or someone caught in the cross fire. There are certain cases that just stick (like poor Rhys Jones in Liverpool), and I think this is one of them.

***b4mmy*** · December 29th, 2011, 01:52 AM

Gang initiation ceremony. The suspects have been 'given up'.

kids · December 29th, 2011, 02:05 AM

Well delete it if you want but I stand by it. I've just read about the lad's last moments and he wants me to shrug it off as a regular killing? Get fucked wingtips, Anuj deserves our respect.

Manc Guy · December 29th, 2011, 06:06 PM

Bad area, wrong place at the wrong time.

Sad, but I've got to agree with Wing's.

Meadows · December 29th, 2011, 06:42 PM

I heard they asked him for the time and he didn't tell them so they shot him in the head.

Disgraceful and makes the city's reputation among potential Indian investors worse.

LNGCats · December 29th, 2011, 07:03 PM

Being reported race hate crime.

October 23rd, 2011, 12:42 AM	#782
roverman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 148 Likes (Received): 2	Crime may be about lifestyle rather than location. According to the Police crime maps I live in a very high crime area of Withington M20 - nearly 600 incidents recorded in August 2011 alone. This is 12 times more than the leafy Cheshire suburb I grew up in. Yet I have lived here for 6 years and hardly seen a thing. My car was broken into when we first moved here and there is some anti-social behaviour by students from time to time, but this is generally late night noise which is a nuisance but not threatening. I can't help thinking that exposure to crime is not so much about where you live but more about your lifestyle. If you roam around late at night, get drunk, are careless with valuables, you're much more likely to be a victim.

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future.architect Far East London Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 5,126 Likes (Received): 145	This was a terrible, shocking and shameful crime. Obviously committed by people who have no respect for human life or any fear of the law. It's also very unfortunate that this happened in Greater Manchester. What we need to do now is continue to invest in Greater Manchester and while the city centre is important, we can't forget the inner city areas such as Ordsall. I do feel that this story was 'worthy' of being national news, but it seems it wasn't the only terrible crime to occur over the chirstmas weekend. __________________ ΓΝΩΘΙ ΣΕΑΥΤΟΝ Last edited by future.architect; December 28th, 2011 at 12:51 AM.

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LNGCats Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 11,503 Likes (Received): 149	Being reported race hate crime. __________________ I really do know fuck all 2+2=4 no matter what your opinion is My favourite colour being red makes me no more or less intelligent than someone who prefers green.

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December 27th, 2011, 11:22 AM	#783
design_man Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,215 Likes (Received): 33	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...McDonalds.html Very sad for the victim, his friends and his family. It's also a bit of a nightmare for the reputation of Manchester as a place to visit. All cities dread tourists being murdered, it's never good, and you can't stop it happening - especially if there are rough areas near the centre (which is typical of a British city). But this particular case seems to be receiving a lot of attention in the media. Is it because it's Christmas so not a lot of other news? I don't think it's a "BBC Salford" thing, because Sky have been going on about it a lot also. The tv footage reveals just how close it is to the city centre. It's sad anyway, and I suppose will just further underline the perception (backed by statistics) of having the worst non-metropolitan crime rate in the country. Haven't seen this thread for a while - why is is in the Greater Manchester bit? It's a national rather than local issue, we have a national crime capital (London), and a non metropolitan crime capital (AKA Crime Capital of the North), which is Manchester, and those are both issues of national significance.

December 27th, 2011, 08:26 PM	#785
Irish Blood English Heart Letting off the happiness Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,362 Likes (Received): 35	I was once lost in Central Salford looking for Islington Mill where I was going to a gig with a record industry mod and musician friend of mine, we stopped to ask this group of lads if they knew where it was to be confronted with a volley of abuse and demands for money, we ended up legging it with a volley of bricks and bottles raining down next to us. Unfortunetely as great as the regeneration of the city has been it still appears there are some very depressed and dispossessed areas next to our city centre still, and plenty of places I wouldn't feel safe walking late at night.

December 27th, 2011, 09:12 PM	#787
postal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Leve Posts: 31 Likes (Received): 1	As rover implies, crime can be extremely localised. I have lived in Lvenshulme, which I am told is a HIGH crime area, for 12 years Yet never suffered any crime. On 3 occasions I've left the front door key in the front door and come back after work to find it still there, undisturbed!

December 27th, 2011, 09:54 PM	#788
Meadows Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kaohsiung/Manchester/Llandudno Posts: 149 Likes (Received): 2	Hopefully the regeneration of the keys will lead to more opportunities/aspiration for the youth of Ordsall instead of just pushing them to another part of town.

December 27th, 2011, 11:06 PM	#789
Nathan Dawz Makin all KINDS of gains! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Manchester / London Posts: 2,738 Likes (Received): 185	The answer, as always, is to continue with the regeneration of Salford. Some people might bemoan the 'gentrification' of the Quays but it's certainly better to try and create jobs and opportunities in these areas rather than leave them to rot in poverty.

December 28th, 2011, 03:15 AM	#792
Irish Blood English Heart Letting off the happiness Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,362 Likes (Received): 35	It's definitely worthy of national news. If this was a British student murdered while studying in India or Japan we would never hear the end of it for years. It's an absolutely shocking crime that I struggle to think of an equivalent in recent times to be honest. The complete lack of motive, time of day, the fact the student wasn't drunk or mugged etc... Horribly chilling stuff.

December 29th, 2011, 02:05 AM	#797
kids Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,759 Likes (Received): 96	Well delete it if you want but I stand by it. I've just read about the lad's last moments and he wants me to shrug it off as a regular killing? Get fucked wingtips, Anuj deserves our respect.

December 29th, 2011, 06:06 PM	#798
Manc Guy I'm sure ting 'blad'! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,732 Likes (Received): 2	Bad area, wrong place at the wrong time. Sad, but I've got to agree with Wing's.

December 29th, 2011, 06:42 PM	#799
Meadows Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kaohsiung/Manchester/Llandudno Posts: 149 Likes (Received): 2	I heard they asked him for the time and he didn't tell them so they shot him in the head. Disgraceful and makes the city's reputation among potential Indian investors worse.