Hull and Humber - Roads

[Dazzar86]

Well the A63, a dual-carriageway which is the main route in and out of Hull is very stop-start due mainly to traffic lights and junctions. The improvements will eradicate one of these junctions and the need to stop to allow traffic to cut across the road.

I don't have the pics for the 4 or 5 scheme choices which were shown at an exhibition, but I'm sure someone else will have them saved on their computers, or know were to find them?



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On another note, I'm just wondering, as mentioned in the developments thread, is one of Kingston-Upon-Hull's biggest set-backs it's roads?

I mentioned the need for an East Hull Park and Ride... I keep seeing people's status' on Facebook like; "I hate driving in Hull!!! soo frustrating!", "Why is there always traffic jams in Hull!!!" & "Why can't you ever get out of 2nd gear in Hull!??".

I believe some of the biggest reasons are;

# More people live out of the centre than in it, meaning more people driving in.

# Bike lanes are NOT utilised to their full potential. We're a flat city, we should take a leaf out of the Dutch's book - the amount of cars park in bike lanes makes them totally pointless! The council should clamp down on cars parking in bike lanes and the bikes should be given more protection! OR move the bike lanes! the footpaths in Hull are quite wide compared to other cities, why not put the bike lanes on the paths, or shorten the paths, but keep a bike-lane kerb, between the paths kerb and the road, so serving as like a mini-wall for the cyclists. Same goes for....

# Bus lanes! How are these supposed to work when cars are ALWAYS parked in them? makes them completely pointless!



Question: For a road like Holderness Rd, which get clogged up quite easy, would you rather leave it as it is, enforce the laws above and make it difficult for residents to find somewhere to park - maybe build a few nearby carparks?

OR

would you cut into the paths and middle section of grass and trees which make the road look nice, in order to give the road almost 3 lanes as such, meaning there can be a bus lane, traffic lane and parking area which doesn't disturb the other 2 lanes, meaning more free-flowing traffic?


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Another issue I have is the quality of the roads in the city. Other than the A63/Castle Street/Hedon Rd and possibly Ferensway, they're all really poor quality IMO. Most are in dire need of an upgrade. Other cities seem to be able to sustain heavy traffic on roads and not have to do any work to the roads for a long time - the roads in Hull are strange. A large chunk of Holderness Rd has just been re-done, it's probably about 2 weeks old and a lot of it has already cracked!

Why can we not have good quality roads laid for the main routes at least?

Holderness Rd, Anlaby Rd, Beverley Rd, Ferensway, A63, Freetown Way - those should be of good quality surfaces. Anyone been down Freetown Way lately? the road surface is awful! many more people are using it now as well because of it's use to get to St.Stephen's easier.

As Peter from Family Guy famously said;

D'you know what really grinds my gears...


er, driving through Hull?

[legolamb]

There will always be jams in the city as. Long as traffic has to stop at the river hull waiting for the various Bridges to open. Sadly the ennerdale calamity put paid to any cross river tunnels for the foreseeable.

[Dazzar86]

The bridges NEVER open though, I think I've seen the bridges open about twice, so clearly not effecting traffic halts at all times of the day.

[pug]

When i used to work off Francis street until a few years ago, i remember the bridge being up at least 3 times a week. I know it doesnt seem much but it would cause delays for much longer than the passin of a shit. I hope the A63 improvement considers this...

[bighead]

my response to a few points above:

i do a lot of cycling and my car has low profile tyres, so i notice bad road surfaces. yes there are a lot of crap roads round here, but compared to leeds and newcastle our road surfaces are like an f1 track.

anyone who thinks traffic in hull is bad is clueless. it used to take me 2hours to get to uni in leeds for 9am, an hour and 20 of that was the final 20miles after cas!

the use of cycle lanes in hull is more or less non existant. spring bank near the cemetary was widened within the last 2 years yet it doesn't have a cycle lane east bound. it gets quite busy with cyclists during rush hour and everyone has to change lanes to get round them, then when approaching princess ave they have to sit and wait because there's no room to get passed. hopefully one will at least be added to the section between walton st and the train bridge now that they're cutting into the grass for parking spaces, i won't hold my breath though. we do however have cycle lanes painted on english st, which i accept is a very busy route for cyclist

in my 3 years working at the top end of freetown way i've been affected by the bridge been open 3 times.

[Digital09]

Originally Posted by Dazzar86

Well the A63, a dual-carriageway which is the main route in and out of Hull is very stop-start due mainly to traffic lights and junctions. The improvements will eradicate one of these junctions and the need to stop to allow traffic to cut across the road.

I don't have the pics for the 4 or 5 scheme choices which were shown at an exhibition, but I'm sure someone else will have them saved on their computers, or know were to find them?



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On another note, I'm just wondering, as mentioned in the developments thread, is one of Kingston-Upon-Hull's biggest set-backs it's roads?

I mentioned the need for an East Hull Park and Ride... I keep seeing people's status' on Facebook like; "I hate driving in Hull!!! soo frustrating!", "Why is there always traffic jams in Hull!!!" & "Why can't you ever get out of 2nd gear in Hull!??".

I believe some of the biggest reasons are;

# More people live out of the centre than in it, meaning more people driving in.

# Bike lanes are NOT utilised to their full potential. We're a flat city, we should take a leaf out of the Dutch's book - the amount of cars park in bike lanes makes them totally pointless! The council should clamp down on cars parking in bike lanes and the bikes should be given more protection! OR move the bike lanes! the footpaths in Hull are quite wide compared to other cities, why not put the bike lanes on the paths, or shorten the paths, but keep a bike-lane kerb, between the paths kerb and the road, so serving as like a mini-wall for the cyclists. Same goes for....

# Bus lanes! How are these supposed to work when cars are ALWAYS parked in them? makes them completely pointless!



Question: For a road like Holderness Rd, which get clogged up quite easy, would you rather leave it as it is, enforce the laws above and make it difficult for residents to find somewhere to park - maybe build a few nearby carparks?

OR

would you cut into the paths and middle section of grass and trees which make the road look nice, in order to give the road almost 3 lanes as such, meaning there can be a bus lane, traffic lane and parking area which doesn't disturb the other 2 lanes, meaning more free-flowing traffic?


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Another issue I have is the quality of the roads in the city. Other than the A63/Castle Street/Hedon Rd and possibly Ferensway, they're all really poor quality IMO. Most are in dire need of an upgrade. Other cities seem to be able to sustain heavy traffic on roads and not have to do any work to the roads for a long time - the roads in Hull are strange. A large chunk of Holderness Rd has just been re-done, it's probably about 2 weeks old and a lot of it has already cracked!

Why can we not have good quality roads laid for the main routes at least?

Holderness Rd, Anlaby Rd, Beverley Rd, Ferensway, A63, Freetown Way - those should be of good quality surfaces. Anyone been down Freetown Way lately? the road surface is awful! many more people are using it now as well because of it's use to get to St.Stephen's easier.

As Peter from Family Guy famously said;

D'you know what really grinds my gears...


er, driving through Hull?

they put a cycle lane on the footpath the full length of Priory Road, yet the cyclists still ride on the road! really bugs me when I'm stuck behind a bike when they have their own lane.

as for the other transport issues, I've always felt that more could be made of the railway line. 2 stops at Bricknell Avenue and the KC stadium would take a lot of cars off the road...but they always claim it'd be too expensive. The train prices are also a scandal, it is around £4 single to go from Cottingham to Hull which works out at about £1 a minute. There is no wonder people stick to their cars.

the biggest problem is as you say, that Hull has very few people living in its centre, meaning everyone has to commute in.

[Pippin0490]

Originally Posted by Digital09

The train prices are also a scandal, it is around £4 single to go from Cottingham to Hull which works out at about £1 a minute. There is no wonder people stick to their cars.

WHAT!?

my train tickets to Hull from Lincoln cost less than £6 single!

and i once got a train from London to Hull for £4.95!

Granted i have a young persons railcard, but still.

[ChrisG (Hull)]

On the subject of transport - the park and ride for Lincoln Market is £12 per car! Added to the bridge crossing thats over £17!

Hope the Hull one improves with the regrouping....

[Digital09]

Originally Posted by Pippin0490

WHAT!?

my train tickets to Hull from Lincoln cost less than £6 single!

and i once got a train from London to Hull for £4.95!

Granted i have a young persons railcard, but still.

yep, just double checked on the nationalexpress website, and its £4 for an anytime single. The train is by far the quickest way for me to get to Hull, but i'm not being ripped off like that.

Beverley-Hull also comes out as a hefty £5.20 single.

[Digital09]

Originally Posted by ChrisG (Hull)

On the subject of transport - the park and ride for Lincoln Market is £12 per car! Added to the bridge crossing thats over £17!

Hope the Hull one improves with the regrouping....

people passing it today were barely giving it a look to be honest, it just doesn't seem to be working. They can't have made barely any money today (and Hull was busy for a sunday)

[up the tigers]

Originally Posted by Pippin0490

WHAT!?

my train tickets to Hull from Lincoln cost less than £6 single!

Care to explain? I've been paying over £20 for a return and thats even with a YP railcard.

[Wagg]

the cycle lanes in Hull aren't too bad as http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/pls/portal/...0FROM%20MG.PDF shows. It takes me 35 mins to bike to CHH from city centre, and about 25 mins in car

[up the tigers]

Obviously there are areas in need of improvement but there cant be many cities where you can cut right through the city centre and only have to go through 2 sets of traffic lights. I know those sets of trafic lights are the cause of all the problems on Castle Street but that aside, it couldnt be easier to get from east to west travelling down the A63/Hedon Road.

[Pippin0490]

Originally Posted by up the tigers

Care to explain? I've been paying over £20 for a return and thats even with a YP railcard.

book a couple of weeks in advance usually via eastcoast.co.uk.

Lincoln (not lincoln central, doesn't excist) - Hull

[livin' hull]

Originally Posted by Wagg

the cycle lanes in Hull aren't too bad as http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/pls/portal/...0FROM%20MG.PDF shows. It takes me 35 mins to bike to CHH from city centre, and about 25 mins in car

25 mins? usually only takes 15 mins from CHH to HRI... however leave HRI at 'rush hour' and its 20mins (if you're lucky) to Spingbank in a car.. how about some lights on derringham str/spring bank???? maybe the new prince ave. junction improvements might help?

also whats peoples view of Newland ave? and the pedestrian friendly road? or is it a shared space now? I think personally its a step in the right direction for busy shopping streets, but they need to get rid of some of the road signs etc cluttering up the place..

[Digital09]

Originally Posted by livin' hull

25 mins? usually only takes 15 mins from CHH to HRI... however leave HRI at 'rush hour' and its 20mins (if you're lucky) to Spingbank in a car.. how about some lights on derringham str/spring bank???? maybe the new prince ave. junction improvements might help?

also whats peoples view of Newland ave? and the pedestrian friendly road? or is it a shared space now? I think personally its a step in the right direction for busy shopping streets, but they need to get rid of some of the road signs etc cluttering up the place..

they also need to get rid of the confusing 'courtesy crossings' either make them proper zebra crossings or get rid.

[James Boddy]

Originally Posted by Digital09

they also need to get rid of the confusing 'courtesy crossings' either make them proper zebra crossings or get rid.

Is that what they are? I thought they were warning signs telling me someone is about to blindly step out infront of my pushbike. You live and learn..

[livin' hull]

has anyone else noticed how Hulls roads are now falling apart after the snow and ice ? have even witnessed crews fixing them (even yesterday!)..

[bighead]

There is nothing wrong with the crossings on Newland ave.
If someone's crossing: you stop.

Them's the rules of the road whether at a crossing or not!

[acwalby]

Originally Posted by livin' hull

has anyone else noticed how Hulls roads are now falling apart after the snow and ice ? have even witnessed crews fixing them (even yesterday!)..

Yes, I've seen two or three large cracks that were not there before the bad weather arrived.

A lot of the roads appear to be poorly made and easily damaged... probably because they're cheap and the people who construct them are cowboys.