Red Sea Power Plant | 660 MW | $1.49billion | Proposed

kitayabi · December 8th, 2009, 06:46 PM

Bid Made for Sudan Plant
08 December 2009
Technopromexport made a $1.49 billion proposal to Sudan’s National Electricity to build a coal-fired generator in the African nation.

“We’re waiting for their official reply on our offer,” Edward Koshkin, a project manager at Technopromexport’s business development department, said in an interview in Khartoum on Sunday. “If it suits them, we will continue.”

The 660-megawatt Red Sea Power Plant would be located in northeastern Sudan, near the city of Port Sudan. The project also includes a terminal in Port Sudan to import and store coal as well as a transmission line from the plant to the city.

(Bloomberg)

BUTEMBO21 · December 9th, 2009, 02:09 AM

660 MW plant? damn, that good. well, Congo has lots of Coal.

We are ready for business.

kitayabi · December 9th, 2009, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

660 MW plant? damn, that good. well, Congo has lots of Coal.

We are ready for business.

ya Im a big fan inter African trade, cheaper transportation costs and strengthens regional relations

BUTEMBO21 · December 9th, 2009, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kitayabi

ya Im a big fan inter African trade, cheaper transportation costs and strengthens regional relations

Yes indeed. That's why all african countries must go on a spending spree on RailRoads , Interstate Highways and Deep Sea Ports.

kitayabi · December 9th, 2009, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Yes indeed. That's why all african countries must go on a spending spree on RailRoads , Interstate Highways and Deep Sea Ports.

the foundations of a good economy is strong infrastructure.

badro96 · December 23rd, 2009, 07:44 PM

Coal power stations have been abandoned by Europe some 50 years ago! It is striking we are looking to use the technology now, especially at time when the head of G-77 and the head of Sudanese representative at the Climate Summit in Copenhagen comparing the new deal to the holocaust!
In any case , I don't intend to be critical here, in fact I think of this as a step forward, but I would be more convinced if someone could come forward and prove to me that some thorough studies have been conducted before launching all these new projects!
The only project that I highly rate is the purchase of the Kenana to Al-Jazira project that will see the thriving partly owned Sudanese company take control of the project until the year 2020!
As for these other projects, especially the satellite launching and the coal power station, i have my reservations!

kitayabi · December 23rd, 2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by badro96

Coal power stations have been abandoned by Europe some 50 years ago! It is striking we are looking to use the technology now, especially at time when the head of G-77 and the head of Sudanese representative at the Climate Summit in Copenhagen comparing the new deal to the holocaust!
In any case , I don't intend to be critical here, in fact I think of this as a step forward, but I would be more convinced if someone could come forward and prove to me that some thorough studies have been conducted before launching all these new projects!
The only project that I highly rate is the purchase of the Kenana to Al-Jazira project that will see the thriving partly owned Sudanese company take control of the project until the year 2020!
As for these other projects, especially the satellite launching and the coal power station, i have my reservations!

Sudan is one of the worlds least polluting Countries most of our energy comes from Dams. Either people complain that renewable energy displaces people or they complain that non renewable sources pollute the enviroment.

badro96 · December 23rd, 2009, 11:05 PM

Sudan is one of the least polluting countries in the world because we literally have no energy generating power apart from the recent dam built in Merowe! The heightening of the Ruseires Dam is another step forward, but to use such an old technology such as coal power stations is very absurd!

BUTEMBO21 · December 24th, 2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kitayabi

Sudan is one of the worlds least polluting Countries most of our energy comes from Dams. Either people complain that renewable energy displaces people or they complain that non renewable sources pollute the enviroment.

Exactly,

They Complain and Oppose without any alternatives. what kind of opposition is that?

Complaining for sake of just complaining. African opposition is very funny.

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Originally Posted by badro96

, but to use such an old technology such as coal power stations is very absurd!

China is still building one of these plants every week. thanks to coal, China is able to develop.

Are you going to give Sudan your new or green Technologies?

If not, then why are you criticizing and Complaining?

kitayabi · December 24th, 2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Exactly,

They Complain and Oppose without any alternatives. what kind of opposition is that?

Complaining for sake of just complaining. African opposition is very funny.

the issue with energy in Sudan has been a frustrating one, if dams are built to provide clean energy then people complain about displacement. If you use fossil fuels you are ruining the environment. If you import electricity from neighbouring states its a threat to national security.
We in Africa lack the ability to join hands for the common good. For example the SPLM tried to ferment opposition to Merowe dam the second largest dam in Africa after the Aswan dam. However when the federal government draws plans to build dams in the south suddenly they arn't opposed to dams any more

BUTEMBO21 · December 24th, 2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kitayabi

the issue with energy in Sudan has been a frustrating one, if dams are built to provide clean energy then people complain about displacement. If you use fossil fuels you are ruining the environment. If you import electricity from neighbouring states its a threat to national security.

Honestly i care less who brings up their immature oppositions. good thing the FG is doing what its supposed to do [ building necessary things Dispite all the garbage oppositions].

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We in Africa lack the ability to join hands for the common good.

very sad indeed.

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For example the SPLM tried to ferment opposition to Merowe dam the second largest dam in Africa after the Aswan dam. However when the federal government draws plans to build dams in the south suddenly they arn't opposed to dams any more

we have those kinds of people in DRC , not just Sudan. they see constructions in their cities , but still talk garbage about the government.

badro96 · December 26th, 2009, 02:55 AM

Kitayabi

You are missing the point I'm afraid, as all of the sudden you started talking about the SPLM and the fact that Sudanese don't join hands-in-hands! Well, it's true, they don't join hands-in-hands, because there has been two civil wars against the Southerners, whilst the Northern Opposition Parties are no more than sell-outs with hidden agenda in my opinion, only the NCP -not Al Inghaz- have a clear vision about the Sudan of today I'm afraid. So please, let's not turn this into a political debate, as it will be a very long and frustrating one!

There is no complaining here, in fact any piece of steel, brick or mortar put together to make something will be welcomed in such a developing place like Sudan. The problem is that everyone then gets too excited and they forget the principles of development, which is planning and conducting feasibility studies, that is including sustainability, not being too philosophical about anything!

We have clear examples that planning is lacking in Sudan, for instance, look at the state of Khartoum every time it rains, consider the fact that a by-pass that costed millions of sudanese pounds was constructed with no any drainage whatsoever! I am talking about the Africa Street by pass by the way. Consider the fact that present Khartoum, today, and apart from Khartoum 2 and Al-Amarat districts, there are no sewage systems and proper sanitation, until today, there is a big massive manhole dug deep into the ground for human waste to be drained in! Consider the fact that the National Grid, those huge electric power posts are passing through one of the busiest streets in Khartoum, that is Mohammed Nagib Avenue. This is the National Grid, I find this unbelievable.

You must notice that I am only mentioning NEWLY constructed infrastructure, because I am very much aware of the fact that we are still shaping ourselves and we still have a lot to do, BUT, we must do our homework first before rushing into making things happen just for the sake of seeing change! The construction of the Merowe dam has completed 8 month ago, but instead of explaining to the poor illiterate Sudanese what does 'completed' exactly means, instead everyone expects that there will be no more power cuts in Khartoum and even the entire Sudan. Whilst in fact, it is only a couple of weeks ago that saw the operating of the 10th and final turbine.

The same issue now with Coal Power Stations, let alone the serious environmental hazards, but as our Congolese blatantly invited us to buy Congo from his homeland, it makes it very clear that this could also hinder a national security hazard!

Moreover, you have mentioned almost every source of energy generation apart from the obvious and most reliable and advanced, which is Nuclear Energy, used in Europe, Northern America, and currently being implemented in Northern African giants such as Algeria and Egypt as well as in the Gulf, Qatar and the Emirates in particular!

There is no complaining here, we are doing things at least, which is good, but some are being done very wrongly and with great naivety.

I hope I have made my point clear.

BUTEMBO21 · December 26th, 2009, 03:55 AM

dude, you still haven answered questions.

Whats your alternatives to what your criticizing?

Masallami · December 26th, 2009, 07:50 AM

Badro I was quite pleased to read your comment above. I support most of what you said. We have no excuse not to do things the proper way. Actually in our case we can ill-afford to do things any other way because no one in the world is cutting us any slack. My father always points out to me the small train bridges just to the east of Khartoum university. You know the steel bridges facing the University mosque. The one to the north was build be the british long time ago and the one to the south was build by the independent Sudanese goverment decades later. You know where I am goining with this...the old bridge is in excellent shape while the new one should be taken down before it falls on people! The point here is if anything is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Don't get me wrong I admire the courage and strength of the people leading the projects that are currently on going despite the hostile environment. But for all of this to make any difference the end result should be good.

kitayabi · December 26th, 2009, 08:00 AM

Badro I am the last person who would like to politicise such issues I am just saying that when it comes to Electricity production there will all ways be trade off's whether its an environmental or social one.
electrifying towns and villages takes people in to the modern world.
My mothers village was connected to the grid only two month ago and all ready small scale industry has started up. Modern amenities such as electric fans, washing machines and fridges that were before useless have made life so much easier for the residents of al kitayab.

December 8th, 2009, 06:46 PM	#1
kitayabi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,989 Likes (Received): 30	Red Sea Power Plant \| 660 MW \| $1.49billion \| Proposed Bid Made for Sudan Plant 08 December 2009 Technopromexport made a $1.49 billion proposal to Sudan’s National Electricity to build a coal-fired generator in the African nation. “We’re waiting for their official reply on our offer,” Edward Koshkin, a project manager at Technopromexport’s business development department, said in an interview in Khartoum on Sunday. “If it suits them, we will continue.” The 660-megawatt Red Sea Power Plant would be located in northeastern Sudan, near the city of Port Sudan. The project also includes a terminal in Port Sudan to import and store coal as well as a transmission line from the plant to the city. (Bloomberg)

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December 9th, 2009, 02:09 AM	#2
BUTEMBO21 Mutu ya Chuma. Join Date: May 2008 Location: Under the Sun and the Moon Posts: 35,422 Likes (Received): 446	660 MW plant? damn, that good. well, Congo has lots of Coal. We are ready for business.

December 23rd, 2009, 07:44 PM	#6
badro96 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 247 Likes (Received): 0	Coal power stations have been abandoned by Europe some 50 years ago! It is striking we are looking to use the technology now, especially at time when the head of G-77 and the head of Sudanese representative at the Climate Summit in Copenhagen comparing the new deal to the holocaust! In any case , I don't intend to be critical here, in fact I think of this as a step forward, but I would be more convinced if someone could come forward and prove to me that some thorough studies have been conducted before launching all these new projects! The only project that I highly rate is the purchase of the Kenana to Al-Jazira project that will see the thriving partly owned Sudanese company take control of the project until the year 2020! As for these other projects, especially the satellite launching and the coal power station, i have my reservations!

December 23rd, 2009, 11:05 PM	#8
badro96 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 247 Likes (Received): 0	Sudan is one of the least polluting countries in the world because we literally have no energy generating power apart from the recent dam built in Merowe! The heightening of the Ruseires Dam is another step forward, but to use such an old technology such as coal power stations is very absurd!

December 26th, 2009, 02:55 AM	#12
badro96 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 247 Likes (Received): 0	Kitayabi You are missing the point I'm afraid, as all of the sudden you started talking about the SPLM and the fact that Sudanese don't join hands-in-hands! Well, it's true, they don't join hands-in-hands, because there has been two civil wars against the Southerners, whilst the Northern Opposition Parties are no more than sell-outs with hidden agenda in my opinion, only the NCP -not Al Inghaz- have a clear vision about the Sudan of today I'm afraid. So please, let's not turn this into a political debate, as it will be a very long and frustrating one! There is no complaining here, in fact any piece of steel, brick or mortar put together to make something will be welcomed in such a developing place like Sudan. The problem is that everyone then gets too excited and they forget the principles of development, which is planning and conducting feasibility studies, that is including sustainability, not being too philosophical about anything! We have clear examples that planning is lacking in Sudan, for instance, look at the state of Khartoum every time it rains, consider the fact that a by-pass that costed millions of sudanese pounds was constructed with no any drainage whatsoever! I am talking about the Africa Street by pass by the way. Consider the fact that present Khartoum, today, and apart from Khartoum 2 and Al-Amarat districts, there are no sewage systems and proper sanitation, until today, there is a big massive manhole dug deep into the ground for human waste to be drained in! Consider the fact that the National Grid, those huge electric power posts are passing through one of the busiest streets in Khartoum, that is Mohammed Nagib Avenue. This is the National Grid, I find this unbelievable. You must notice that I am only mentioning NEWLY constructed infrastructure, because I am very much aware of the fact that we are still shaping ourselves and we still have a lot to do, BUT, we must do our homework first before rushing into making things happen just for the sake of seeing change! The construction of the Merowe dam has completed 8 month ago, but instead of explaining to the poor illiterate Sudanese what does 'completed' exactly means, instead everyone expects that there will be no more power cuts in Khartoum and even the entire Sudan. Whilst in fact, it is only a couple of weeks ago that saw the operating of the 10th and final turbine. The same issue now with Coal Power Stations, let alone the serious environmental hazards, but as our Congolese blatantly invited us to buy Congo from his homeland, it makes it very clear that this could also hinder a national security hazard! Moreover, you have mentioned almost every source of energy generation apart from the obvious and most reliable and advanced, which is Nuclear Energy, used in Europe, Northern America, and currently being implemented in Northern African giants such as Algeria and Egypt as well as in the Gulf, Qatar and the Emirates in particular! There is no complaining here, we are doing things at least, which is good, but some are being done very wrongly and with great naivety. I hope I have made my point clear.

December 26th, 2009, 03:55 AM	#13
BUTEMBO21 Mutu ya Chuma. Join Date: May 2008 Location: Under the Sun and the Moon Posts: 35,422 Likes (Received): 446	dude, you still haven answered questions. Whats your alternatives to what your criticizing?

December 26th, 2009, 07:50 AM	#14
Masallami Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Likes (Received): 0	Badro I was quite pleased to read your comment above. I support most of what you said. We have no excuse not to do things the proper way. Actually in our case we can ill-afford to do things any other way because no one in the world is cutting us any slack. My father always points out to me the small train bridges just to the east of Khartoum university. You know the steel bridges facing the University mosque. The one to the north was build be the british long time ago and the one to the south was build by the independent Sudanese goverment decades later. You know where I am goining with this...the old bridge is in excellent shape while the new one should be taken down before it falls on people! The point here is if anything is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Don't get me wrong I admire the courage and strength of the people leading the projects that are currently on going despite the hostile environment. But for all of this to make any difference the end result should be good.

December 26th, 2009, 08:00 AM	#15
kitayabi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,989 Likes (Received): 30	Badro I am the last person who would like to politicise such issues I am just saying that when it comes to Electricity production there will all ways be trade off's whether its an environmental or social one. electrifying towns and villages takes people in to the modern world. My mothers village was connected to the grid only two month ago and all ready small scale industry has started up. Modern amenities such as electric fans, washing machines and fridges that were before useless have made life so much easier for the residents of al kitayab.