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Old August 17th, 2006, 06:42 PM   #201
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Are there really any people complaining about the heights of these towers? I mean Gronland is miles away on the other side of the railtracks. they wouldnt even notice them there. I think this is the best place to build higher buildings of all the sites within the fjordby-project. But I dont agree there should be any tall buildings at sorenga.
amyway, thank you for the pics
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Old August 18th, 2006, 07:47 AM   #202
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^I remember lots of people complaining in debates in the papers(mostly Aftenposten), and on the net.
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Old November 10th, 2006, 08:33 AM   #203
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I read yesterday in a local free newspaper (Ĝstkantavisa I think it is called), that a new proposal is to be aproved by the city council in December. This proposal will allow buildings up to 22 floors for all the barcode area. They argue that if more buildings are allowed to be built in that height, they will be able to have more space between the buildings, thus reducing the impression of a big wall between the city and the sea. My question is; why not go much taller on some of the buildings?

Anyway, here are some webcam-photos from the developement.

PWC-building


The opera


Here is a render that have not been shown before I think, of the Visma-building. Construction will start around newyear, and take two years. Total floor area will be 25000 sqmeters, and it will be 17 floors.


This one is old, but it shows the entire area under planning/construction
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Old November 10th, 2006, 10:22 AM   #204
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^ Great pics, PWC is comming up fast!

Well, if all the Barcode buildings is around 40m to 60m tall it will surely look like a wall between the city and the fjord, i hope they deceide to built some of the buildings up to 22 stories, if not even higher.
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Old November 10th, 2006, 10:08 PM   #205
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More about the architectural competition "The most energy effective trade building in Europe?" and all its proposals and winners. The PDF have all info avaliable, and all 23 proposals is in there, including the winner, and the awarded ones.

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Old November 11th, 2006, 06:32 PM   #206
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I like the new render of the Visma-building, but 25-30 floors would be even better


The fjordcity is really starting to shape, with Tjuvholmen, The opera and the Barcode rising!
Here are some news from Aftenposten the last two days: First, The opera seems to cost less than the prognosis (about 500 mill NOK). Now some people wants to use these money, to make the owners of the site between the Hotel opera and The opera build smaller: http://oslopuls.no/nyheter/article1528057.ece




Second, the new Astrup Fearnley museum in Oslo will be located at Tjuvholmen(on the green island) , and the architect is the famous italian Renzo Piano. The museum owns the most important collection of contemporary american art in Europe, with main works from artists as Andy Warhol and Jeff Koons. The first drawings of the building are ready, but they will not be shown to the public before the final approval. But Peder Lund, the adviser of the prosject, says that it looks just as spectacular as they had hoped for
http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/article1528880.ece



I just can`t wait!!!
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Old November 15th, 2006, 05:25 PM   #207
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Splitte mine bramseil!!!

What do I see in todays Aftenposten, two retired politicians (Berntsen, Willoch) wants to stop the highrise buldings in Bjĝrvika. One architect is also speaking his mind about how terrible this is for Oslo. I am almost speechless, is there no end to the madness???

Anyway, I recommend everybody in SkyscraperCity to send a mail to Aftenposten at [email protected] with all your pro highrise arguments . They wants comments from the readers about this..
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Old November 16th, 2006, 07:33 AM   #208
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^ miseable article. I hate it how these old retired politicians always have to be so loud about their opinions. They are finished in politics, and should get over it.

But I must admit that I can somewhat understand people who don't like how this plan will block parts of the city from the sea. More variation (read: more height and some more air) surely wouldn't hurt!
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Old November 16th, 2006, 08:35 PM   #209
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yes, but only if you stand where that photo is taken, close to the railtracks, this area is amost empty of people. It is not a very attractive place.
if you are at gronlands torg for instance, where people are alot more likely to spend their time, then it makes no difference, you wouldnt know the towers were even there.
But yes, I agree, taller and slender buildings would be better.
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Old November 17th, 2006, 11:48 AM   #210
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Oslo do have a unique layout, in the sense that it is shaped almost like an amphitheatre. I think the best thing would be to make the buildings as slender as possible, and higher instead, as you NorthStar. I'm worried that this will increase the effect that the awful Galleri Oslo has had on that part of the city. Even the air has become worse in there bechause it doesent escape. Galleri Oslo should be torn down as soon as possible.
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Old November 18th, 2006, 12:36 PM   #211
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Oslo do have a unique layout, in the sense that it is shaped almost like an amphitheatre. I think the best thing would be to make the buildings as slender as possible, and higher instead, as you NorthStar. I'm worried that this will increase the effect that the awful Galleri Oslo has had on that part of the city. Even the air has become worse in there bechause it doesent escape. Galleri Oslo should be torn down as soon as possible.
I'm with you on that. It is the only sensible thing to do, no matter what part of the fence you're on. The problem is that nimbyism in Oslo has become a religious matter.
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Old November 20th, 2006, 07:55 AM   #212
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^ I know this architect, and she told me this weekend that getting anything built in Oslo is a nightmare for architects. Even small single houses. Neighbours in villa-areas throw in loads of lawyers if you want to build anything other than a standard block watne house.
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Old November 20th, 2006, 08:15 AM   #213
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/\ And i guess the same people complain about Oslo being ugly...
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Old November 21st, 2006, 08:53 PM   #214
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Osloians have too much time on their hands. What we need is, and it's sad to say it, outside national politicians who don't have any feelings for the city to cut through and make it easier to build on your own property.
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Old November 21st, 2006, 11:47 PM   #215
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Osloians have too much time on their hands. What we need is, and it's sad to say it, outside national politicians who don't have any feelings for the city to cut through and make it easier to build on your own property.
I'd say it's the other way around. Not just Oslo, but this enite country has been run by politicians from small shit places for ages, and not enough care has been put into this city. The huge influx of people from outside the city that just comes here for a job, and then sits at the pub complaining about having to live here, doesent help either.

The only sensible thing to do would be to completely redesign the area behind the opera, and make the buildings more slender, and turn them 90 degrees so that the view from the city opens up. Maybe even make the buildings E-shaped (tilted 90 degrees) with grass underneath, so that people could walk freely under them for example.

I read that the development of the property is completely in the hands of a company that only thinks about maximising profit. When you want to develop the most important piece of real estate in the country, that's not the way to do it!
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Old November 25th, 2006, 11:27 PM   #216
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I'd say it's the other way around. Not just Oslo, but this enite country has been run by politicians from small shit places for ages, and not enough care has been put into this city.
I totally agree, and it is also an undeniable fact that Oslo's wealth level is being held down by politicians that demand high subsidies and government transfers to the small shitty places they come from. Now, what do Oslo get in return for these massive payments to rural areas? Nothing, absolutely nothing! Many may claim that the countryside is important to Oslo, because the farmers supply us with food and other products. That logic is seriously flawed, and food would actually be a lot cheaper if we imported it at world market prices. I am not saying that Oslo should declare independence from the kingdom of Norway, but I think we will hear a lot more from the pro-independence lobby in the years to come. Oslo should be allowed to grow and develop, and we need people who realize that growth is good.
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Old November 26th, 2006, 12:00 AM   #217
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I totally agree, and it is also an undeniable fact that Oslo's wealth level is being held down by politicians that demand high subsidies and government transfers to the small shitty places they come from. Now, what do Oslo get in return for these massive payments to rural areas? Nothing, absolutely nothing! Many may claim that the countryside is important to Oslo, because the farmers supply us with food and other products. That logic is seriously flawed, and food would actually be a lot cheaper if we imported it at world market prices. I am not saying that Oslo should declare independence from the kingdom of Norway, but I think we will hear a lot more from the pro-independence lobby in the years to come. Oslo should be allowed to grow and develop, and we need people who realize that growth is good.
I agree with you there, but I was talking about highrises, and it still strikes me that nimbyism is rampant here. That causes local politicians to be very careful about challenging the anti-highrise lobby, a concern national politicians wouldn't have to care about at all - given that votes in Oslo counts for shit compared to for instance Finmark. We have to face it: It's the local politicians who run the show; and if they can't do the job, someone else has to. I'm about to buy myself a new apartement; and the prices we see today just aren't sustainable... The more I think of those people who wouldn't care less if I have to pay millions to live in a dump just so they force their religiously-minded nimbyism on the city, the angrier I get. Better stop here before my rage comes back.........

Got.....to....calm....DOWN!!!!!

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Old November 26th, 2006, 12:19 AM   #218
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@Spearman
I agree that there is a lot of NIMBYism here, but do you really think that countryside politicians will allow Oslo to grow and prosper? Hell no, they would strangle growth the second you gave them an opportunity to do so. They will also plunder the city even more than they currently do (although it is hard to imagine more extensive plundering than the current agrarian-socialist government), and prevent construction of anything that would make rural Jante-people envious. I would also like to point out that the current city government is far less NIMBYist than all other alternatives except a clear FrP-majority.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 12:13 AM   #219
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A presentation of Fjordbyen by Dagbladet

http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2006/11/20/483476.html

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