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Old November 30th, 2004, 06:10 PM   #61
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Bravo!!! Ohh, man you said it!! Finally someone that shares my view! A majority of new apartment projects are quite central though, but still far from enough! There are plans to build 40.000 apartments before 2015, but that is only enough to keep the preassure from getting higher....given a weak population growth. And then what? Where should we start building after 2015? The forests? Even more parks? It seems like they(our politicians) are willing do anything, as long as they don't build high.

However, I do think that some areas, like parts of Grünerløkka, Frogner, Kampen etc. is worth preserving.

I've been suffering from those insane housingprices for years now. That, and the other factors you mentioned, was some of the reasons why I became interested in highrises in the first place. I'm relatively satisfied with the price on my new apartment at Etterstad though, wich I will move into in 1 1/2 months
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Old December 1st, 2004, 12:16 PM   #62
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Great that we have a shared view on city planning in Oslo

I have met lots of other young people that agree with me on these issues, but the generation currently in charge (the old hippies) seems to think of cities as something bad and evil. They will therefore do anything in their power to prevent the city from looking beautiful and impressive.

Sure we can preserve some individual buildings, and even certain areas of the city, but I do feel that the current mantra of “siktlinjer” (≈lines of vision, don't know the English word) is seriously flawed.

I was in Hong Kong two years ago, and this enabled me to see what city planning should be like. Like Oslo, most of Hong Kong is hills and forest, but it actually covers fewer square kilometers even though it has 10 times as many inhabitants. Some residential areas in Hong Kong have a density of 200.000 inhabitants per square kilometer, and I think this gives a clear indication on how big the potential of Bjørvika really is.
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Old December 1st, 2004, 03:20 PM   #63
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I have met lots of other young people that agree with me on these issues, but the generation currently in charge (the old hippies) seems to think of cities as something bad and evil. They will therefore do anything in their power to prevent the city from looking beautiful and impressive.
Exactly to the point! Kjetil Kolsrud described this perfectly in Aftenposten some months ago. I published it here, but it's gone now.

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Oslo trenger skyskrapere


Ikke noe galt med gamle og ærverdige bygninger, med ornamenter, søyler og grunnmur i granitt. Men skikkelig høye hus er tøffere.

Det beste stedet å se det fra, er fra sørøst. Helst med Øya-festivalen som bakteppe. Stående mellom de eldgamle ruinene i Middelalderparken, med en øl i hånden og dundrende musikk på alle kanter. Mens solnedgangen speiler seg i glassfasaden på Oslo Plaza, tennes neonlysene høyt der oppe, og byens fortid møter byens fremtid i en nesten rørende klisjé. Høye hus kan være fryktelig fine.

Mennesker har alltid latt seg fascinere av digre konstruksjoner. Kampen om å ha verdens høyeste bygning har pågått mellom storbyer i århundrer, og i tetskiktet er de ikoner nesten alle sammen. Empire State Building i New York. Petrona Towers i Kuala Lumpur, Malaysias stolthet. TV-tårnet i Toronto. Det var med rimelig stor stolthet vi slepte Troll-plattformen (472 m) ut en trang fjord på Vestlandet i 1995. Havets skyskraper - bygget av nordmenn. Så stor at Discovery Channel lagde film av det. Høyere enn Twin Towers på Manhattan.

Hvorfor vi lar oss fjetre slik av høye bygninger, er ikke godt å si. Men mennesker liker nå engang å sette rekorder. Og antagelig er det denne iboende dragningen mot det spektakulære som gjør at man i Middelalderparken, nå med en ny øl i hånden, fort kan få seg til å tenke: Burde vi ikke egentlig få oss enda høyere hus her nede i sentrum?

Å sette verdensrekord er neppe noen god idé. Et 500 meter høyt tårn kunne muligens virket malplassert. Men hva med en nordisk rekord? Et par-tre 50-60 etasjer høye bygninger til å omkranse de to vi allerede har på Vaterland? Som svaier i kastene og ruver over ruinene i Middelalderparken med demonstrativ futurisme, som monumenter over livet i byen og troen på fremtiden?

Man kan tenke slikt, men man børster det selvsagt bort ganske raskt. Vi besitter alle en grunnleggende bonderomantikk, og vet at alt som er på landet er ekte, og at storby er noe skittent man helst bør forlate hver helg for å gå alene i fjellet mens det regner. Høye, blinkende tårn med kontorer og bissnissfolk er vulgært juggel. Sånt som amerikanere driver med for å vise seg frem. Alle nybygg bør helst være middels høye, middels brede og middels uvanlige, slik at de ikke stikker seg mer enn sånn middels ut fra resten, men likevel er ganske fine.

Men neste sommer er det festival i Middelalderparken igjen. Og solnedgangen kommer til å la kitsche farger sildre nedover Plaza akkurat som i år. Og skyld gjerne på alkoholen, men ved Vannspeilet kommer det helt sikkert til å sitte et rockende kjærestepar som fullstendig har glemt hele sin kulturarv, og rett ut ønsker seg noen flere idiotisk høye silhuetter å beundre mot den lyse sommernatten.
http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/k...icle855142.ece
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Old December 1st, 2004, 07:13 PM   #64
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but I do feel that the current mantra of “siktlinjer” (≈lines of vision, don't know the English word) is seriously flawed.
The term is quite simple & straightforward, NiceGuy: it's sight lines.

May I once again take the opportunity to welcome you here at s&B!

I've been following the conversation you and our good buddy NorthStar have been having here with great interest. Fascinating!

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Old December 1st, 2004, 09:19 PM   #65
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Thanks Whose Homepage. It's nice to know that someone(not sOmeOne) take an interest
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Old December 2nd, 2004, 05:25 AM   #66
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Sorry, I have to quote part of NiceGuy's fine post again although NorthStar already did so, because I have a different point to make.

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the generation currently in charge (the old hippies) seems to think of cities as something bad and evil. They will therefore do anything in their power to prevent the city from looking beautiful and impressive.
Lol, NiceGuy! That is very nicely put, and alas so true!!!

Moreover, I'm afraid that goes not only for Oslo but for many other cities as well. I may be an aging hippie myself , but I fully agree with you on that incisive assessment of yours: those people are RUINING our towns! And they are wasting a whole lot of time and money in the process!

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Old December 7th, 2004, 03:21 PM   #67
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A wreck of an old boat was discovered on friday, while digging at the construction-site for the new opera. It is a small boat, 16-18 foot, probably around 150-200 years. It looks like it originates from Hardanger in western Norway. The wreck was removed from the site immediately, and has not caused a delay in the construction.
(okay I only write about this because I wanted to post the pictures that was attatched to the article)





http://www.bygg.no/news/newsshow.asp...1&NewsID=11658
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Old January 14th, 2005, 12:19 AM   #68
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More news on Tjuvholmen


The cranes will soon start to rise over Tjuvholmen, and therefore, more info on the project have become available lately. They have just started tearing town what was there before(ugly harbour buildings), and construction of the first step will start second quartal this year, and will be finished in 2007. The entire district will be completed in 2012(don't know if I have written it before). It is Selvaag Gruppen and Aspelin-Ramm Gruppen, in cooperation with the internationally acclaimed architect Niels Torp, that will develope their proposal "Utsyn".

Tjuvholmen will contain:
Residential 100 000 m² - 72%
Restaurants/shopping 12 000 m² - 8%
1st Class Int. Hotel 12 000 m² - 8%
Offices 11 000 m² - 8%
Art Museum/Event Centre 6 000 m² - 4%

From the developers website, I read about the following cultural attractions that will be there:

"International Centre of Art
The Tjuvholmen Centre of Art is being developed in co-operation with Lousiana Museum of Modern Art, Copenhagen.

Event Centre
Exploria; planned new Event Centre at Tjuvholmen, developed in co-operation with Event Communications Ltd., London.

Sculpture Park
A green lung on the water with sculptures by leading international artists.

Tower (panoramic view)
A new landmark to the Oslo skyline. From this unique vantage point, visitors will be able to see all of Oslo and the Oslo fjord.

The Tjuvholmen Square
A place for shopping, lunches and outdoor performances by musicians and other artists.

Restaurants, shops, galleries
Feed the mind and body in a Tjuvholmens wide selection of specialty shops, galleries and high-end eateries.
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Add to that, that there are 7500 restaurant seats, 2-3 minutes walk away at Aker Brygge, I think this will be a fairly popular area

Some images of the progress of the work, taken from the developers webiste. All images in this thread are (c) Tjuvholmen.com


















Here are two animations that flyes over the area, for those of you specially interested
http://www.tjuvholmen.com/default.aspx?aid=9041855
http://www.tjuvholmen.com/default.aspx?aid=9041856
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Old January 14th, 2005, 12:58 AM   #69
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Wow, this project is awesome
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Old January 14th, 2005, 01:31 PM   #70
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i really like waterfront projects
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Old January 14th, 2005, 02:09 PM   #71
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Beautiful, some nice renderings from Tjuvholmen finally...
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Old January 14th, 2005, 02:14 PM   #72
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The Tjuvholmen project is realy something. I wish I had a chance to get a nice appartment there
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Old January 14th, 2005, 03:15 PM   #73
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Tjuvholmen looks amazing. I wish they built something like that to Jätkänsaari, but I doubt it. They probably just make something dull like always. Looks like Oslo is booming, tons of new housing planned.
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Old January 15th, 2005, 01:31 AM   #74
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I can see a highrise in a render! How tall?
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Old January 16th, 2005, 12:20 AM   #75
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I can see a highrise in a render! How tall?
Its a 12 story tower... And thats quite good to be Tjuvholme, and Nils Torp as the architect. Nils Torp is a really good architect, but he stay a bit critical to high-rise buildings. But he also has a 12 story approved residential tower in Sandefjord as well.
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What! How can this be a 12 story highrise?

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What! How can this be a 12 story highrise?
Oh...!! Thats the observation tower, 60m tall.


This one to the left is a high-rise building on 12 floors.
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Oh! ok!
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Old February 4th, 2005, 12:25 PM   #79
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Vestbanen
Next to city hall


I found out that this project has not been presented in this thread before(I was alittle in doubt wether to
present it here or in the general Oslo developement thread.) It has been presented before, but that is a
long time ago.



Vestbanen is a former trainstation that lies between the city hall and Aker Brygge. The plan for the station
itself, is to make it into a Nobel peace centre. This will open this summer already. Behind Vestbanen, a huge
cultural center will be built. Here, a large library will move in, and so will Stenersen art museum. City council
will decide this spring if the Munch museum should be moved here aswell. The robbery of the scream painting
is now an excuse for those that want to move the Munch museum out of inner Oslo east, to this more
central location. They claim that will be safer, and the amount of visitors will increase. That may be, but I think
it is sad that one of the only cultural institutions located on the east side of town should be moved. And it's not
like it is very un-centrally located today eighter, it's only 3 minutes by the metro from Oslo S.

The cultural center will have a floor space on 45.000 sqm, and the 3 institutions mentioned only use
31.000 sqm today. One suggestion is to also include a huge cinema complex in the basement. The project also
contains some retail, apartments, and quite alot of officespace. Originally, there was a 18 floor hotel in the
plans aswell, but it has been removed completely, after it first was reduced to 12 floors. The architects behind
the entire project is the dutch Office for Metropolitan Architecture (O.M.A.).

I've copied and resized the original gigantic illutrations to 1/4 of their size, from statsbygg.no



Facade looking from Dronning Mauds gate


Facade looking from city hall




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Old February 4th, 2005, 12:29 PM   #80
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Yea, i've posted a few threads about it before, but i see there is a small change in these renders. The 12 storey high-rise building is gone...
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