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Old January 3rd, 2014, 06:43 AM   #2041
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That building! Perfection!
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:07 PM   #2042
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Looks like Romanesque by way of the Pacific Coast Highway.
It is so traditional that has the style of buildings from Mallorca haha (island from where is the guy who founded all the important cities from California)


(those little windows on the top and the cantilevered)
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 02:29 PM   #2043
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 03:44 PM   #2044
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Old January 4th, 2014, 03:02 AM   #2045
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The architects who did the Loyola building also did this building for Loyola:



It's not traditional, but it's an interesting combination of traditional and modern. I think it works. Imagining a grander, more refined version of something like this as a Penn Station replacement in NYC is a nice fantasy.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 01:33 AM   #2046
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Historicism in modern architecture of Sochi, Russia.
Old Russian resort City on the Caucasian coast of the Black sea is ready to accept the winter Olympic games-2014.

New residential and hotel area "Gorki gorod" ("Hill city"), architect Mikhail Filippov.

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Old January 5th, 2014, 02:05 AM   #2047
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Sorry to say entazis but the majority of that is quite terrible.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 02:07 AM   #2048
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Appreciable developement in Sochi, although too Italianate to look like a real Alpine resort - which is patently inspired to.

It would fit in Tuscany, to some extent, yet would not at all in Trentino Alto Adige / South Tyrol or Piedmont.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 02:10 AM   #2049
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Sorry to say entazis but the majority of that is quite terrible.
I no longer care about Your opinion, because it is not professional and always wears Russophobic character.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 02:21 AM   #2050
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I no longer care about Your opinion, because it is not professional and always wears Russophobic character.
The fact that the structure is Russian has nothing to do with my opinion. The buildings that you posted follow none of the established conventions found in classical architecture. They are almost parodies of better designed buildings elsewhere.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 02:33 AM   #2051
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Old January 5th, 2014, 03:27 AM   #2052
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The fact that the structure is Russian has nothing to do with my opinion. The buildings that you posted follow none of the established conventions found in classical architecture. They are almost parodies of better designed buildings elsewhere.
Very flattered by your not indifferent dislike for all things Russian. Strange, but at this forum thread there are 9/10 terrible examples from other countries that do not meet the "established conventions of classical architecture". However You have shown complete indifference to these examples, because they are not from Russia. This suggests about Your bias and not sufficient competence in the history of world architecture, especially in Russian architecture.
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The fact that the structure is Russian has nothing to do with my opinion. The buildings that you posted follow none of the established conventions found in classical architecture. They are almost parodies of better designed buildings elsewhere.
Give it up, you can't debate with him. He can't take any sort of criticism. Even if you stay completely objective and impersonal, he'll feel personally attacked. If you were a German, he would have called you a Nazi by now, as he did with me...

He completely snapped, when I wrote:

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...American, British and German examples are much rarer, but they are also of much higher quality. They score in understatement, the right proportions and they fall back on their own regional architectural heritage, not badly copying French Art Nouveau or Italian Renaissance or whatever style newly rich Russians favor at the moment.
And now, a few pages afterwards, guess what he posts:

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Badly copied Italian Renaissance kitsch for the rich Russians in Sochi!
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Old January 5th, 2014, 03:51 AM   #2054
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Give it up, you can't debate with him. He can't take any sort of criticism. Even if you stay completely objective and impersonal, he'll feel personally attacked. If you were a German, he would have called you a Nazi by now, as he did with me...
And You still ask him who bombed Your favorite Dresden. In all there is a cause-and-effect relationships.
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And You still ask him who bombed Your favorite Dresden. In all there is a cause-and-effect relationships.
And here we go, if he's got no more arguments, he get's vicious.
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...American, British and German examples are much rarer, but they are also of much higher quality. They score in understatement, the right proportions and they fall back on their own regional architectural heritage, not badly copying French Art Nouveau or Italian Renaissance or whatever style newly rich Russians favor at the moment.
Perhaps this is Your most brilliant discovery. In the style of your tabloids. Recommend to multiply it in all forum threads.

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And here we go, if he's got no more arguments, he get's vicious.
It's funny when you together are friends against me

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Understand entazis that Russia has plenty of good architecture. There are over a dozen good buildings in the Kremlin itself (with the exception of the State Kremlin Palace which is a soulless abomination). The difference between those good buildings and the ones you posted is the fact that those who designed the good buildings seemed to have known what they were doing.
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The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour, rebuilt in 2000, is a wonderful piece of architecture.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedr...st_the_Saviour

The recently completed Armenian church in Moscow is spectacularly beautiful.


http://peopleofar.wordpress.com/2013...pen-in-moscow/

There is plenty of good traditional Russian architecture. The problem is that you are posting some of the worst examples.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 07:19 AM   #2059
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The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour, rebuilt in 2000, is a wonderful piece of architecture.
The recently completed Armenian church in Moscow is spectacularly beautiful.
There is plenty of good traditional Russian architecture. The problem is that you are posting some of the worst examples.
Thank you. Your opinion that the Kremlin has a number of good buildings coincides with the opinion of UNESCO. The Kremlin is a monument of world heritage of five centuries.
I agree that the State Kremlin Palace is disgusting building. It is known, this building was constructed after the "impressions" from the "historical" visit of Khrushchev in America. No offence meant, however, this cosmopolitan freak early 1960s marked the beginning of a retreat from traditional classical architecture at the state level for several years ahead. With regard to the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, then it is not an example of modern architecture, designed as a classic, this is the complete restoration of the monument of the mid-19th century.
As everyone understands that in this forum thread, are examples of modern architecture, stylized as the classics. Stylization is not a stupid copying and mindless adherence to the ancient canons. Talented styling is a creative process that enables to make the search for a new in the tideway of established traditions. I believe that it is not so terrible as You think. Such derogation from the pre-accepted canons gave the opportunity to the emergence of new styles and trends in the history of architecture. So among my examples are enough successful works, that are no worse than many other samples shown here, including your samples.
So here are misplaced your not reasoned epithets and vulgar shortcuts. A more objective opinion is voting on the number of "likes".
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Old January 5th, 2014, 11:12 AM   #2060
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It is difficult to find good works of contemporary traditional architecture regardless of country or culture. The reason there is so much poorly designed traditional architecture is because architecture schools had abandoned the traditional design methods that were before fundamental to any architectural education. This hiatus in teaching traditional design has lasted long enough so that the ones who benefited from this teaching has passed on. The design professors in architecture schools today are mostly incapable of teaching traditional design because they don't know it themselves, because they also were deprived of this teaching. The architects that attempt to design traditional buildings today have had to learn how to do it on their own. Some have taught themselves well, others not so well, and in all cases, none have had the oversight and guidance of a professor to point out their mistakes and to guide them in the right direction. Notre' Dame's School of Architecture has started to teach students to design in the classical manner, and the result is that there are a number of competent architects and professors that graduated from Notre' Dame that are now teaching classical design at the University of Miami and University of Colorado in Denver. Gradually more architects are learning classical design, but they are still out numbered by the parametric/computer graphic wiz kids that are coming out of architecture schools these days.

Here are two links worth looking at. It is from the Institute of Classical Architecture & Art's (ICAA) Handbook. One of the links is the chapters or text, the other is the plates or images. It may be best to open each in its own browser window and place them side by side so that the images can be viewed while the text is read.

http://www.icaahandbook.com/#!chapters/c10d6

http://www.icaahandbook.com/#!plates/cee9

Classical architecture is pretty easy to learn, and once learned, a novice architect can produce satisfactory buildings, whereas architects trying to design cutting edge modernist designs often fail. Modernist architects design one good masterpiece per every 10,000 failed attempts. The failed attempts completely destroy the character of the neighborhoods and bring down the value of neighboring structures. If a few minor details are not quite resolved on a traditional building, it isn't detrimental to the neighborhood.
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