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Old January 28th, 2014, 03:35 AM   #2201
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"East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet?"

That's outdated thinking. The environmental adaptation argument against mixing architectural styles might be a good one, but masonry exteriors have a high thermal mass and are therefore good at keeping buildings cooler.

As for the cultural and historical argument, the port of Xiamen has had a long historical and architectural influence from Europe due to trade and imperialism. And there are plenty of buildings in Shanghai and Hong Kong that influenced the style of these buildings. Take a look at the old Bank of China building in HK, for example.

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Old January 28th, 2014, 03:58 AM   #2202
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Istana Kehakiman (Palace of Justice) - Putrajaya, Malaysia (Built early 2000's)










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Old January 28th, 2014, 04:01 AM   #2203
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Old January 28th, 2014, 06:06 AM   #2204
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Honestly, this is embarrassing
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Old January 28th, 2014, 01:31 PM   #2205
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Honestly, this is embarrassing
Its going to get a heck of a lot more tourists than any glass box will!

- I think its amazing - I'm pretty jealous...
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Old January 28th, 2014, 02:47 PM   #2206
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INTRAMUROS light and sound museum


not as beautiful as other!
build in 2009
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Old January 28th, 2014, 07:47 PM   #2207
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Its going to get a heck of a lot more tourists than any glass box will!

- I think its amazing - I'm pretty jealous...
The ten columns one the front of that building is an insult to classicalism.

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Istana Kehakiman (Palace of Justice) - Putrajaya, Malaysia (Built early 2000's)

Putrajaya does have nice urban planning however, that city is just souless and fake.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 01:03 AM   #2208
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Honestly, this is embarrassing
It isn't so bad. There are far worse examples.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 01:05 AM   #2209
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Putrajaya building actulally looks mostly tastefull. There are some details I don't like but overall it seems good.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #2210
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It isn't so bad. There are far worse examples.
The sad is thing is that my home is in Buyukcekmece district and I will have to go and actually do paperwork stuff in this building
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Old January 29th, 2014, 01:56 AM   #2211
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The sad is thing is that my home is in Buyukcekmece district and I will have to go and actually do paperwork stuff in this building
Just bare in mind that it could of been worse. Imagine if you lived in Kazakstan.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 07:04 AM   #2212
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Just bare in mind that it could of been worse. Imagine if you lived in Kazakstan.
I am Turkish/American and I live in Los Angeles but it will be painful to see that building when I visit home this summer

About Kazakhstan, I honestly don't know much about that country but I've heard that they have very beautiful landscape over there and that they speak a similar language to Turkish. Ah and Borat of course
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Old January 29th, 2014, 09:48 AM   #2213
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Just bare in mind that it could of been worse. Imagine if you lived in Kazakstan.
Is there a reproach? I would not something bad to compare with Kazakhstan or with another country. It is not very good. Moreover, today, Kazakhstan looks like a more civilized than some European countries...
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Old January 29th, 2014, 09:56 AM   #2214
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Is there a reproach? I would not something bad to compare with Kazakhstan or with another country. It is not very good. Moreover, today, Kazakhstan looks like a more civilized than some European countries...
Hmm I think Kazakhstan is a lovely country but I am not so sure about being more civilized than some European countries The closest match would be Moldova, I guess.
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Hmm I think Kazakhstan is a lovely country but I am not so sure about being more civilized than some European countries The closest match would be Moldova, I guess.
I agree with You. It is indecent to humiliate the country as a whole, almost without knowing anything about it. Unfortunately some members of this forum suffer by such bad manners.

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Old January 29th, 2014, 03:37 PM   #2218
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I thought all these buildings are very nice... They may not be architecturally perfect, but the final result is not bad at all. Believe me, there are MUCH worse examples.

By the way, can buildings from the early 1900's be considered as "built in traditional architectural style"? We have many neoclassical examples here in my city that actually represent a later manifestation of such period, which was originally from the 18th century. Even our Sé Cathedral was built in a neogothic style, but its construction lasted from 1914 to 1954 (it's one of the 5 biggest neogothic temples in the world).
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Old January 29th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #2219
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Old January 29th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #2220
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Your determination of what's traditional and neutral relies on somewhat arbitrary distinctions. Do the Art Deco buildings in Shanghai and Hong Kong not count as being part of China's past and culture? Why is Art Deco (the background style of the buildings in Heart of Lake) not considered a rootless architecture, whereas modern architecture is? Especially when both have European origins and vast international dispersal?

These arguments about what is considered traditional architecture will likely always arise. However the history, architecture, and culture of China simply does not cease in the 19th century. It continues, even under European influence. Is Art Deco a Chinese architecture? Well, if one only accepts pagodas, palaces, etc., no. But there is still a rich tradition of Art Deco in Chinese architecture, notably practiced and celebrated by native Chinese.

If you're going to argue that these buildings don't belong in the context, it may be because your understanding of the context is limited due to preconceptions or lack of knowledge.
yes its in china's past but doesnt belong to china

there are neoclassic soviet era buildings in turkmenistan, but no matter how much they keep building in that style it will never belong to turkmenistan
just like the old buildings built by europeans will never belong stylistically to the chinese

u can eliminate this if u create a mix, a form of fusion between native styles and foreign styles

art deco is heavily based on classic architecture of the region, the material, scaling, origin etc all can relate to older traditional designs, u can have western art deco, and eastern or chinese or anywhere else
art deco is kind of like an idea
there are conceptual takes on architecture and then there are actual physical details and designs
the concepts can be applied to any form of detailing (art deco can be carried out on chinese architecture or baroque for example)
look at it this way:
take the concept of an internal combustion engine, it was made by the germans, they have their own brands
they have mercedes bmw etc, if china or any other country comes and makes those SAME brands, its a copy , not native
but if they take the "concept" of an engine and make their own cars , then it is theirs
they share the concept , but not the details and the actual "take" on the concept


modernist architecture (something like the london shard for example) is so simple, so undetailed and minimalistic that any culture can "cling" to it, its the lack of specific order and layout that makes it "rootless"
maybe the origins of such structures also is in the west for the large part, but any culture has somehow contributed to minimalist styles


what the heart of lake project shows, is the usage of EUROPEAN takes on the matter of apartment building
the concept of such buildings belongs to china as well but the actual styling is a copy ! u cant deny that

chinese art doesnt stop in the 19th century , thats not the point, but u have to move forward and try not to mix ur views with someone else's
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